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Actually don't even specify who the Huskarls go with. Just say they go to the one they had the best relations with.
The Dawi in Arda (Hiatus)
- Thread starter Warkeymon
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Going by the level of development of the later Rohan, the Eotheod probably puts quite a bit on horsemanship and fighting ability. It's not that he's incapable of giving orders and having them followed, it's that he's incapable of even minor fighting.
As a King, yes he can be expected that if he judges himself able they'll go. But he's not even a beardling by Umgi standards for a few more years, and we promised to keep him safe and train him up for ten years. Which seems to be the Eotheod's coming of age age given the other clues. Like his elder brother only needing five years (like 2 years ago or whenever that was) to come of age and become king. King G is called King cause it's easier to rally to a boy king than a prince.
We can continue to thin the Urki in the Vale of Anduin and try to find more Eotheod die. Every Urk we kill now means that in seven(?) years we won't have to. And the 'aggressive scouting' will also keep us informed of what's going on.
For Urdabax, I'd communicate to Thain before we did anything. Saying that we're more than willing to help out and send ~700 Dawi troops (about 3 of our Throngs, we might want to tell him it's most of our forces because it's a small number and we don't want him to think we're being assholes). Otherwise, we made the choice for the Dwarf kingdom to be a Dwarf kingdom, not a Dawi one. We want to kill Urks because Urks are bad for everyone. But they're grown ups, and can handle their own shit for the most part.
And we have no idea how long Urdabax can hold out for. For all we know the response from Thain might be like 'Yeah in six years please.' And that's a good long time to prepare the throng. We could have cannon by then.
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The Beornings have (or will have) honey-cakes comparable to lembas in potency.
I doubt we'll be making those, but they'd be a nice addition to the palate, and would probably be quite popular among Hobbits.
I doubt we'll be making those, but they'd be a nice addition to the palate, and would probably be quite popular among Hobbits.
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Does Kingsfoil really do anything besides bolster the soul? I haven't wikiwalked it.
It's certainly important to know about when it was what we needed to save a few of our Dawi earlier.
But really, proper Dawi Ale is bonkers. It's a healing potion and booze at the same time. It's great.
It's certainly important to know about when it was what we needed to save a few of our Dawi earlier.
But really, proper Dawi Ale is bonkers. It's a healing potion and booze at the same time. It's great.
Oooh, reading about Kingsfoil has inspired an Omake.
Read this interesting bit from the wiki.
Athelas also strengthens those smelling the scent. It has a particular scent that is either unique to the individual who smells the herb or influenced by the recipient of the herb's effects:
So in addition to healing wounds, it has a unique pleasant scent that is connected to the individual who smells it. No two people will smell the same thing.
Now imagine a special brew prepared with a dash of Kingsfoil. The brew, regardless of who tries it will have a unique pleasant scent, a nostalgic scent connected to that person. A brew that changes in nature depending on who drinks it.
Now that would be interesting to explore.
Read this interesting bit from the wiki.
Athelas also strengthens those smelling the scent. It has a particular scent that is either unique to the individual who smells the herb or influenced by the recipient of the herb's effects:
- Faramir's scent is of "dewy mornings of unshadowed sun... [in which] Spring is itself but a fleeting memory"
- Ioreth smells the "roses of Imloth Melui" from her childhood
- Éowyn smells no scent as if the air was clean, fresh and had never "been breathed by any living thing and came new-made from snowy mountains high beneath a dome of stars, or from shores of silver far away washed by seas of foam."
- Merry's smell is that of "orchards, and of heather in the sunshine full of bees"
So in addition to healing wounds, it has a unique pleasant scent that is connected to the individual who smells it. No two people will smell the same thing.
Now imagine a special brew prepared with a dash of Kingsfoil. The brew, regardless of who tries it will have a unique pleasant scent, a nostalgic scent connected to that person. A brew that changes in nature depending on who drinks it.
Now that would be interesting to explore.
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Do et. Sounds good! That would be a super interesting thing to explore.
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What are your thoughts on Mirkwood?
Many Futures Theory: The Founding of Rohan
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Many Futures Theory: The Founding of Rohan
The Eorlingas descended out of the lands held by the Eotheod, not in anger, or grief, or fear. But rather with love for the many, many, many kinsmen they left behind and a desire to fight the Enemy.
Gondor had been struggling with Easterlings out of Rhun, and desperately needed help. So desperately that they dispatched messengers to the Eotheod.
Eorl the Young came with a full Eored, some seven thousand riders and a few hundred mounted archers. Behind them came wives, children, and families.
These riders rode forth with many gifts from ancestors and the stalwart Dawi, for the Drekfut Ankor and the Eotheod had long been friends. Fine Dawi mail, and sturdy weapons to split the foemen in twain. Scattered amongst them were a few trinkets that bore the magical runes of the Dawi. Eorl, himself, brought runed items of power numbering three, to mark him as kingsson.
A saddle known as the Gift of the Lord of Horses, bearing Runes of Warding, Fortitude, and the Master Rune of Passage. Granting the typically much loved horse that bore it protection, endless stamina, and the ability to not be barred by any terrain.
His half-plate suit of armor was the Friendship of the Dawi. It bore what the Dawi considered to be simple Runes of Stone, Iron, and finally Fortitude. It granted Eorl the strength of the mountain, and it's enduring nature. Allowing him to fight far longer than he had any right to.
Of the major items he bore the last was the most significant. A gift of an Oath upheld. A true gift, from King to King. From Honored Uncle to Favoured Nephew. A tradition kept within the royal line weaving out and back. A priceless weapon with few if any peers. The Son of Fram Dragonslayer, Gisilhári Dawongr was gifted the precious Gromril spear Fram's Resolve. The hide and bone of the dragon Scatha that had been recovered in the retaking of Framsburg had gone into it's construction. When it struck, it billowed fire, and all allies who looked at the story upon it's banner shared in the conviction of the Son of Frumgar who hunted a dragon for two years and then slew it by himself.
Eorl looked forward to gifting it to his brother-son, who would be king after Eorl's brother. The kings of the Eotheod who bore it were the greatest.
Finally, a trinket that he had personally earned. A spyglass marked with the single Rune of Farseeing. A turn of his spyglass to activate it and Eorl could increase the magnification of his device seven-fold. A mighty thing to have in war, yet one he desired that he may peer from Vale to Mountain and back, receiving childish messages from his friends upon the slope.
When the Eored came upon the Field of Celebrant, the forces of Gondor were struggling against two foes. Stopping only long enough to take a proper war formation, the Eorlingas drove into the Easterlings and Urki assailing the Men of the White Tree.
The foe was crushed underhoof and routed, slain and cut down as they tried to flee.
The leadership of Gondor asked Eorl for the Eored to protect the area for three months, whence the men of Gondor would return. Eorl agreed.
Three turns of the moon later, upon the hidden Tomb of Elendil, Eorl was fully granted wide lands to be king over, thus was sworn the Oath of Eorl in turn. The Kingdom of Gondor and the new Kingdom of Rohan would forever be friends and allies, so long as the line of Eorl persisted.
With great enthusiasm, Rohan was truly founded. Atop many hills, Dawi contractors built a series of sturdy forts in the style of the Eotheod, including golden Edoras in the time just after Eorl.
And to those Clans that aided his new kingdom, Breggo, son of Eorl, granted them lands in his mountains judged far above the cost of the work. Those Dawi are the Clans of the Kazid Ungor Bryn, greater friends than even Gondor, for it was there they found a wonder in the stone, and declared a Debt.
This was the story told to Theodred, Eomer, and Eowyn about the start of the Founding of Rohan. (And why calling the Dawi 'little people' was disrespectful, even if they were forgiven for being gazari)
This was the story told by Eowyn to the dwarf Gimli Gloinsson as to why there were so many Dawi in these lands on the way to the fortress Town of the Glittering Caves, who were more than willing to protect the people of Rohan against the forces of Isengard.
(Later Gimli would be one of the few non-dawi to live full time in the Glittering Caves proper, for he truly appreciated their beauty to the approving sniffs of the Longbeards. Even going so far as to drag his companion and friend (the elf) Legolas to look upon the beauty under the earth.)
A/N: Barely any Dawi, but iunno, it caught me.
Really just to show how close the Eotheod are to the Dawi in the future, because of Gatrim and co. It goes back and forth constantly. The Dawi are awesome to the Eotheod, so the Eotheod are awesome to the Dawi in this cycle of debts.
The Eorlingas descended out of the lands held by the Eotheod, not in anger, or grief, or fear. But rather with love for the many, many, many kinsmen they left behind and a desire to fight the Enemy.
Gondor had been struggling with Easterlings out of Rhun, and desperately needed help. So desperately that they dispatched messengers to the Eotheod.
Eorl the Young came with a full Eored, some seven thousand riders and a few hundred mounted archers. Behind them came wives, children, and families.
These riders rode forth with many gifts from ancestors and the stalwart Dawi, for the Drekfut Ankor and the Eotheod had long been friends. Fine Dawi mail, and sturdy weapons to split the foemen in twain. Scattered amongst them were a few trinkets that bore the magical runes of the Dawi. Eorl, himself, brought runed items of power numbering three, to mark him as kingsson.
A saddle known as the Gift of the Lord of Horses, bearing Runes of Warding, Fortitude, and the Master Rune of Passage. Granting the typically much loved horse that bore it protection, endless stamina, and the ability to not be barred by any terrain.
His half-plate suit of armor was the Friendship of the Dawi. It bore what the Dawi considered to be simple Runes of Stone, Iron, and finally Fortitude. It granted Eorl the strength of the mountain, and it's enduring nature. Allowing him to fight far longer than he had any right to.
Of the major items he bore the last was the most significant. A gift of an Oath upheld. A true gift, from King to King. From Honored Uncle to Favoured Nephew. A tradition kept within the royal line weaving out and back. A priceless weapon with few if any peers. The Son of Fram Dragonslayer, Gisilhári Dawongr was gifted the precious Gromril spear Fram's Resolve. The hide and bone of the dragon Scatha that had been recovered in the retaking of Framsburg had gone into it's construction. When it struck, it billowed fire, and all allies who looked at the story upon it's banner shared in the conviction of the Son of Frumgar who hunted a dragon for two years and then slew it by himself.
Eorl looked forward to gifting it to his brother-son, who would be king after Eorl's brother. The kings of the Eotheod who bore it were the greatest.
Finally, a trinket that he had personally earned. A spyglass marked with the single Rune of Farseeing. A turn of his spyglass to activate it and Eorl could increase the magnification of his device seven-fold. A mighty thing to have in war, yet one he desired that he may peer from Vale to Mountain and back, receiving childish messages from his friends upon the slope.
When the Eored came upon the Field of Celebrant, the forces of Gondor were struggling against two foes. Stopping only long enough to take a proper war formation, the Eorlingas drove into the Easterlings and Urki assailing the Men of the White Tree.
The foe was crushed underhoof and routed, slain and cut down as they tried to flee.
The leadership of Gondor asked Eorl for the Eored to protect the area for three months, whence the men of Gondor would return. Eorl agreed.
Three turns of the moon later, upon the hidden Tomb of Elendil, Eorl was fully granted wide lands to be king over, thus was sworn the Oath of Eorl in turn. The Kingdom of Gondor and the new Kingdom of Rohan would forever be friends and allies, so long as the line of Eorl persisted.
With great enthusiasm, Rohan was truly founded. Atop many hills, Dawi contractors built a series of sturdy forts in the style of the Eotheod, including golden Edoras in the time just after Eorl.
And to those Clans that aided his new kingdom, Breggo, son of Eorl, granted them lands in his mountains judged far above the cost of the work. Those Dawi are the Clans of the Kazid Ungor Bryn, greater friends than even Gondor, for it was there they found a wonder in the stone, and declared a Debt.
This was the story told to Theodred, Eomer, and Eowyn about the start of the Founding of Rohan. (And why calling the Dawi 'little people' was disrespectful, even if they were forgiven for being gazari)
This was the story told by Eowyn to the dwarf Gimli Gloinsson as to why there were so many Dawi in these lands on the way to the fortress Town of the Glittering Caves, who were more than willing to protect the people of Rohan against the forces of Isengard.
(Later Gimli would be one of the few non-dawi to live full time in the Glittering Caves proper, for he truly appreciated their beauty to the approving sniffs of the Longbeards. Even going so far as to drag his companion and friend (the elf) Legolas to look upon the beauty under the earth.)
A/N: Barely any Dawi, but iunno, it caught me.
Really just to show how close the Eotheod are to the Dawi in the future, because of Gatrim and co. It goes back and forth constantly. The Dawi are awesome to the Eotheod, so the Eotheod are awesome to the Dawi in this cycle of debts.
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I'd like to talk to them but am wary due to their issues with dwarves, definitely send the Eotheod along on the meeting and maybe send them alone to make first contact and hopefully explain the dwarf/dawi distinction?
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We might not have to. See below.
That king is Thranduil, of course(Legolas might be born, is probably born actually given it's the Third Age). And his father wasn't a fan of dwarves, moving farther into the forest to get away from Khazad-dum. But we're indirectly known to him through Elrond. And I can definitely see Elrond putting in a decent word for us, and explaining the difference. It's also Thranduil so who knows.
And we/our leadership in general speak Sindarin which he does, so no translator needed. Though we all probably could have made do with Rohirric. If we have whoever is sent march in the open (and we send a small force because Dol Guldur (Though the Mirkwood isn't as bad as it will be)) we can probably get an audience. Taking at least a small number of the Eotheod would be a good idea, and it would also be a good idea to touch base with our foster peoples and see if they had a protocol for visiting the actually pretty major elven realm next door already in place.
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Thranduil is as close to our Elgi as they go. Proud, stubborn, all high and mighty and hates everything with a beard. While Elrond brushed off our nat 1 relatively lightly, he would start another War of Vengeance. I say we should be careful around him, best to avoid if possible beyond merchant contacts.
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Origins in Doriath, participated in the Last Alliance, at least in speaking terms with noldor, traded with humans and dwarves, was willing to help the people of Laketown after Smaug and his son was a good apple.
Sings point towards him being an okay to good kind of elf.
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Was the trade with Dwarves before or after the Battle of Five Armies?
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Two proposals: a contingent of ironplough journeyman to go to The Shire to learn halfling farming. They bring gifts, obv. Maybe a master if we can find one diplomatic enough.
Second: Ten rings of balance to be paired with the rings of power. Only ten because The One and the nazgul are pretty hopeless.
Second: Ten rings of balance to be paired with the rings of power. Only ten because The One and the nazgul are pretty hopeless.
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That's insulting to them.
That can't be done. We can't make Rings with Master Runes.
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Are you saying that Dawi are worse smiths than elgi?
Before and after.
Gimli said that dwarves helped make Thranduil's cavern-palace and Bilbo's mithril chain mail was made for an elven prince, possibly Legolas himself.
Thranduil is an antagonistic figure in the Hobbit because he imprisons a bunch of shifty dwarves who happened to gatecrash his party thrice over and belligerantly refused to disclose what they were up to.
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Cool.
Didn't understand how exactly he can have a party in Mirkwood, but that's promising for us.
No, but I am thinking you either haven't read any of the discussion or are outright ignoring that it was declared they are not Elgi.
Perhaps you're simply joking around, but after someone carried on with a similar, serious attitude regarding Dawi views to a very annoying degree I'm afraid I've lost patience for it.
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They had some kind of magic that made intruders drop asleep, IIRC.
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Ah, a salient point about relations with Thranduil and the Silva and Sindar elves(which I understand as two seperate demographics with a lot of overlap), they sorta get/got shit from the Noldor for never traveling or finishing travel West. Rather the Noldor hold/held themselves relatively superior for having gone to the West.
Basically, we can't treat them worse than Elrond or Galadriel. Not hard. He probably won't get shitty about us going to them first because of location and then Elrond and Galadriel being friends, son-in-law/mother-in-law.
We could get away with hyping up Glorfindel because he's that fucking awesome though.
Therefore, a proper diplomatic party would likely be well received. Regardless of sending Eotheod with our diplomats or not. Or contacting the Woodsmen.
Basically, we can't treat them worse than Elrond or Galadriel. Not hard. He probably won't get shitty about us going to them first because of location and then Elrond and Galadriel being friends, son-in-law/mother-in-law.
We could get away with hyping up Glorfindel because he's that fucking awesome though.
Therefore, a proper diplomatic party would likely be well received. Regardless of sending Eotheod with our diplomats or not. Or contacting the Woodsmen.
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Probably doesn't help at times that Galadriel and Elrond have Rings of Power to make their lands protected and/or pristine.
Sindar refers to the people of Doriath, descended from the Teleri who tried to make the journey west, but decided not to cross the sea after Thingol got lost and met Melian.
Generally, they never went to Valinor, but developed a relatively advanced civilization before the noldor came back.
The silvans, meanwhile, seem to be those who never tried to make the journey or dropped out midway, with a more primitive way of life.
After the destruction of Doriath, a number of sindar went east and seem to have established themselves as rulers over the silvans of Lorien and Greenwood.
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That's true.
It's also true, and please correct me if I am wrong, but I'm 98% sure that it's true the Thranduil rules over the largest and mightiest (Though still shrinking as Dol Guldur used to be a tower of his kingdom) still extant Elven kingdom which remains mighty well into the Fourth Age. For all of it's isolation, it's still a very nice kingdom too.
We might be able to score the local equivalent of Wutroth from them, cause if anybody would have it it'd be them (Or Galadriel but I bet hers are more of the magical variety). And it would definitely be best if we could score saplings and such to plant up on/near our mountains. (Cause given Tolkien we're unlikely to find a great tree like wutroth on the mountains.)