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His dice is locked like a Beardling who goes to the hall of remembrance.
The Dawi in Arda (Hiatus)
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Okay yeah, i based my 5 year plan on being able to buy and sell that much per year so we aren't in debt.
Also I adjusted the immediate barter by removing the people dice, adding some gold and Noldor gems for the Gromril so we have more work with and got rid of the Noldor wine initially because manlings should be grateful to have Dawi Ale *hmph*
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Because I have a feeling in the coming turns we'll have uses for them, not only to make artifacts for ourselves, but also to make gifts for the Dwarves, Noldor, and our new Umgi friends. I don't have them in the long term plan because they aren't a huge necessity, but for an initial trade, being able to show we are getting wealth from it as well as other needed supplies will show both sides this is a good deal.
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But for the irreplaceable Gromril?
If we're gonna use it we might as well throw it all in in a five year to buy 54+ dice, far more valuable than an initial starting bit of bling.
Dedicate ourselves to getting strong enough and advanced enough to get mythril or some equivalent (adamant perhaps) faster.
I know we're not there yet but think about how a dawi crash course in leadership could look.
- Y1: heal and settle his people
- Y2-3: misc dwarven fighting studies and his native horsemanship
- Y4: dwarven trades and crafts
- Y5: dwarven stewardship and history
- Y6: Strategy and larger warfare
- Y7-9: Misc, Diplomacy, Actively leads a combat troop of increasing size.
- Y10: Prep to take back home. Crafting, training, trading, etc.
- Y1: heal and settle his people
- Y2-3: misc dwarven fighting studies and his native horsemanship
- Y4: dwarven trades and crafts
- Y5: dwarven stewardship and history
- Y6: Strategy and larger warfare
- Y7-9: Misc, Diplomacy, Actively leads a combat troop of increasing size.
- Y10: Prep to take back home. Crafting, training, trading, etc.
I will fucking scream. That is all I have to say on the matter.
I feel you're looking at it the wrong way, both short and long term, in the short term giving them a taste will incentivize them to want more, both in terms of trading from us, as well as wanting us to do well so we *can* make more. Not to mention giving our Runesmith something to work with while he spends his time with them without being constrained by their lack of having Gromril.
In long term, there's a serious morale boost Dawi get with the influx of *Wealth* of gold, gems, things of great value to be shaped and wrought. We trade a bit initially, and see how the 5 year trade agreement goes, and revisit it *in* 5 years to get more when both sides are even better on their feet.
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Not really helpful. Please try and be a little pragmatic?
What do you mean make more? Make more Gromril? That is distinctly not possible.
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I strongly argue against selling Gromril and/or our Runelord services. We do not need anything that the Noldor offer, we are self-sufficient. The trade agreement with them would save us time, nothing else. We should not trade our most valuable resources for simple time. We dawi live for a long time and are in no hurry.
And I strongly argue that trying to hide behind the "We need nothing." approach will not get us anywhere. It is an ego trip that just stalls things for the sake of...keeping things to ourselves...yey...
We might not be in a hurry, but we are trying to get a *LOT* done including finishing the defenses around the 4 gates, preparing the needed halls for all our clans, setting up the needed industries so we actually *are* self sufficient including the steel we are about to run out of, We need to get the market done asap, we need to have an engineer's hall built, we need to have...I think you all get where I am going.
Which is why at most I only sell *one* to get us valuable wealth that we either are about to run out of or don't have at all. I can take it out of my plan as the gold and gems are not vital but at the same time I do feel I have narrative reasons for the intake of Gold and Gems, and I do think there will be chances to get more as the lore for how Gromril comes to be, that it is star metal *is* possible in LotR, just rare.
Worst comes to worst I just sell more silver for steel so we still get plenty from the initial trade agreement.
For the runesmith services on the 5 year plan, not going to budge, we need the ability to get things *done* so we can stop playing catchup with the rquirements that a propr hold has.
We might not be in a hurry, but we are trying to get a *LOT* done including finishing the defenses around the 4 gates, preparing the needed halls for all our clans, setting up the needed industries so we actually *are* self sufficient including the steel we are about to run out of, We need to get the market done asap, we need to have an engineer's hall built, we need to have...I think you all get where I am going.
Which is why at most I only sell *one* to get us valuable wealth that we either are about to run out of or don't have at all. I can take it out of my plan as the gold and gems are not vital but at the same time I do feel I have narrative reasons for the intake of Gold and Gems, and I do think there will be chances to get more as the lore for how Gromril comes to be, that it is star metal *is* possible in LotR, just rare.
Worst comes to worst I just sell more silver for steel so we still get plenty from the initial trade agreement.
For the runesmith services on the 5 year plan, not going to budge, we need the ability to get things *done* so we can stop playing catchup with the rquirements that a propr hold has.
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I am being pragmatic. Gromril is disgustingly valuable and not just as a monetary asset like gold. It holds Runes better than any other material, each Ingot can be made into an incredibly powerful relic eventually.
Simply selling Gromril is a disgusting waste of potential. They could offer us a 1,000 times it's SC value and I still would not sell a single bar.
And if we wanted to make a Runic Gromril item for the elves we would have done so instead of what we made.
I'm not going to advocate for us to trade irreplaceable for trinkets.
Meh, so be it, if this is causing this much conniptions it's not worth dealing with the fear and 'we have to keep all of it to ourselves' that pervades SV quests. More silver for steel it is.
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Offering the service of our runelord is bad enough, even if he stays at home. We have enough work for him to do. It might be worth it though. But selling Gromril? I won't vote for that, sorry
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Honestly it's not even the Gromril. I let myself get hyped up for 25,000 worth of work from our Runelord. But I suppose I should have figured the GM wouldn't make it THAT easy to balloon.
So much for the mini-Golden Age.
So much for the mini-Golden Age.
Does that mean the one we already have, or making one given it says "a" surface hall.
You clearly have no conception of how valuable Gromril is nor how much Dawi value it. Even back on Mallus, where they could mine more if they actually found some, the Dawi were incredibly tight fisted with every ounce of Gromril they had. To them it's the most precious metals of all, no contest. The idea of selling Gromril for mere gold and jewels would be considered actual, certifiable, insanity.
Yes yes I get it, SV hoarding instincts have activated and only the concrete 100% assurance we will be able to get more will stop people from avoiding using or spending it whenever possible.
Plan has been adjusted and for a bit more silver and ale was even able to keep the steel and get some gems along with it so we have something to work with that we cannot get anywhere else.
Oh trust me, i felt the same way when I couldn't do the dice for the initial deal...the snowball we could have gotten T_T
but we will still be able to get a decent deal that will let us finally catch up on the buildings we need to get not only our industries set up but allow us to expand properly.
I mean, with the dice we'll be getting with my plan, building one shouldn't even be a struggle.
I read it as the surface option since we don't have any surface housing.
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we already have 35 wood and our stores can only hold 50 so that's why i have it so low, i figure we won't go through enough to need more, not to mention coal is a 10 to 1 ratio against so we're very much trying to push a thing they don't need for very limited value. We wouldn't get enough wood to justify it i feel, especially as my 5 year plan already has us getting 10 wood a year so that we should at least be maintaining wood supplies if losing it slowly for all our building needs.
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Sorry, I somehow missed that.
What about Noldor grain? The farmer clans mentioned awhile back something about risks inherent in not diversifying.