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Summoner Quest (Celestial Menagerie)
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I'm very happy with this one, It's one that I've been waiting for it for a while.
Now I have a question and I need the opinion of some Type Moon Specialist. I hereby summon @sonicyoash, @vini666, and @Dolly Fail Fail. If anyone else want to participate don't hesitate.
What can be done with a tiny pieces of a Divine Beast like Gugalanna? Keep in mind that it's only a few centimeters in length.
I have a number of ideas myself but I don't want to influence you just yet. Fell free to throw anything at me, I'll make a selection and perhaps hold a vote afterward.
I'm very happy with this one, It's one that I've been waiting for it for a while.
Now I have a question and I need the opinion of some Type Moon Specialist. I hereby summon @sonicyoash, @vini666, and @Dolly Fail Fail. If anyone else want to participate don't hesitate.
What can be done with a tiny pieces of a Divine Beast like Gugalanna? Keep in mind that it's only a few centimeters in length.
I have a number of ideas myself but I don't want to influence you just yet. Fell free to throw anything at me, I'll make a selection and perhaps hold a vote afterward.
as it is a divine being with aspects of storms and floods, summoned due to vengeance, it would also be s-tire material for any magecraft or magic that has to deal with such things.
it's also larger than a mountain in fate, or the size of a foot. So size magic wouldn't be a poor use for it, but nor would it be a great use for it.
it's also larger than a mountain in fate, or the size of a foot. So size magic wouldn't be a poor use for it, but nor would it be a great use for it.
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Thank you both, that's a good start.
Subsidiary question: Is a catalyst consumed if used during a Servant Summoning ritual?
they are a bit inconsistent about that. but since Shiro summoned Saber with his Avalon as a catalyst, yet had it later on I would say not? But it is also not 100% clear that his summoning wasn't just a natural summon without an catalyst, or if him being the holder of avalon was enough to aspect him o artoria...but... well. they really ain't clear.
Against it is that the original families, the guys that here supposed to participate in all the wars, keep using different servants even though the catalysts are rare and therefore expensive or really useful for other magecraft.
Gill would have been an expected hero if one of the invited were known to have his catalyst, rather than a hidden wildcard.
but they might just have been trying to get a new, better hero on a gatcha as the previous one failed already.
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Not so. Another example is Ilya and Herc, where her family carved that Sword/Axe from his temple to use as a catalyst and he used it as a weapon for the duration of the Grail War.
You can use it as the core of a new Mystic Code (magic/enchanted item basically) such as a magic foci or weapon to enhance destructive spells, although since it's a piece of an actual Divine Beast it'd probably enhance all spells a little. Also, since Gugulanna is Ishtar's familiar, anything within her domain might also be enhanced if you go with this method (so anything to do with either sexual love (so QQ stuff) or war (so combat, logistics, scouting, and other such relevant types of magecraft) basically). That's what I'd use it for if I could anyway.
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Nope, Avalon, Berserker's axe sword, and all the other catalysts are still around. Now that I think about it it wouldve been hilarious if rin had summoned Gilgamesh again using the snakes skin
Or at least another version of Gil most likely his child version since the Caster class already fill and kid Gil is a Archer class.
Yeah even Jack the Ripper was summoned via her 6 knives as a Catalyst and she kept them around.
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Yeah what the others said, Catalysts, at least as far as we've seen, generally aren't consumed during the ritual. They basically just act as a 'focus' for the ritual.
I would say that Alex should watch out if he wants to summon Ishtar though. She's a very powerful Servant yes, but being a Divine Spirit rather than a Heroic one she's also going to be comically expensive to maintain. Shadow was already too much for us before getting Ivan's Noble Phantasm, Ishtar makes him look like he barely even qualifies. Not to mention her uh... personality is gonna be hard to manage.
Aside from that: yeah it's a body part, granted willingly, from one of the most powerful Divine Beasts ever. This thing could make a Lightning based Mystic Code that Zeus himself would be proud of.
Edit: Also, holy fuck was that a lucky pull. Not just because we've got one of the strongest magical components we ever possibly could out of the deal, but also because it's the strongest option in the setting to have an 'off switch' as it were. If the roll had landed a bit lower, we would have summoned the Forest of Einnashe, and Alex would have had seconds to react lest the majority of the Protectorate ENE be reduced to exsanguinated husks.
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I realize I'm not an expert, but I've done enough research to help answer some of the questions that came up too.
Shirou did use Avalon as a Catalyst. During the fight where Cu was about to kill him Shirou's Magic Circuits, those lines that appeared, reached out to Avalon and brought out King Artoria from the magic circle in the shed. Avalon is hidden inside him without his knowledge, and its healing cannot be used unless Artoria is summoned as their Servant, hence the beat-up state I wrote him as in my Fate Omake.
On the snakeskin, I don't know who broke it, but a broken Catalyst can't be used apparently, and anyway because Gil never left, he can't be summoned again. Though I agree it would have been funny if Gil just appeared in his track suit and smug look on that pile of furniture instead of Emiya Archer.
That's because of the Fate system used by Chaldea, a reworked version used in place of a Holy Grail to summon Servants. Mash's shield is made from a piece of the round table, ostensibly known as "a Conceptual place where Heros gather" and hence can be used to summon any Heroic Spirit from the Throne of Heros, with some leeway in what a Hero can be in the case of Divine Spirits and Pseudo-Servants.
I figured that's how the Keepers own Summoned Servants work, as the Keeper themselves is comparable to the Throne of Heros in scope.
With the Keeper acting as the Catalyst in this case and the potential Servant residing in their collection of creatures, it fills the criteria needed to summon them.
If it wasn't broken, either Kid Gil or Caster Gil would have been neat, though in point of fact Kid Gil is just regular Archer taking the youth potion because he was bored, and Caster Gil is still just Archer Gil being a dick and limiting himself to using spells and staffs only, as he wanted to piss off Solomon. It's the Fate system summoning them that way as different points in Gils life that allowed them to exist as separate Servants.
True, in Apocrypha as well we can see both Mordred and Fran's Catalysts were fine after they were summoned, though Mordred destroyed that piece of the Round Table soon after appearing because of what it meant to her.
Arguably Ishtar isn't the only Servant he could summon with the horn, just the most likely to appear as she has the strongest connection with Gugalanna. Any Servant with a connection to it can be summoned from the Catalyst used, that's how a piece of the Round Table can summon any of the Knights of Camelot, and how a remnant of the Argo can summon any of the Argonauts.
For the Horn of Gugalanna he could get Gilgamesh or Enkidu instead, as they both fought it together. All he needs to do is change the wording of the Summoning, from "I Summon you who Commands the Heavens" to "I Summon you who Defied the Heavens" but even in that case it would be Enkidu over Gil because of the Keepers own influence, being a person with a connection to life and nature because of the CM.
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Also Enkidu is know to be the Chain of Heaven which is the main weapon/form to trap the bull.
I wonder if Ishtar is summoned by the main character will she accused us of stealing Gugalanna (even if it a copy and irony since it was another version of her and closer to the main personality since there Rin filter) in GO.
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I don't know Fate enough to know what can be done with Gugalanna materials or how to use it for regents, summoning or item crafting.
But I CAN tell you this much, if Alex uses it's parts for item crafting then it will be made in the form of a sweet @ $$ belt buckle. And it will look awesome.
I don't know Fate enough to know what can be done with Gugalanna materials or how to use it for regents, summoning or item crafting.
But I CAN tell you this much, if Alex uses it's parts for item crafting then it will be made in the form of a sweet @ $$ belt buckle. And it will look awesome.
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Given her personality it's likely, but I don't see what you mean by another version of her. Pseudo-Servants are summoned in people that are most compatible with the Divine Spirit, and aside from Fate writer shenanigans including any character from Fate/Stay Night, Rin is already a very close match to the Goddess's personality by Fate lore.
Rin filter aside, unless @zagan ruled otherwise it's still the same Ishtar that controls Gugalanna which Alex could summon.
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In Fate/fake Ishtar is the one that stole FGO Gugalanna.
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I know about that, but I thought we were talking about a possible summoning of a Servant Ishtar, not the human Avatar that Ishtar possessed in Strange Fake?
From the wiki, "She currently displays power on the level of a Servant or greater, but she claims to not be a Servant herself. She is able to summoning Gugalanna after taking it from her other self.[7]"
I'm so used to the variations among Artoria and Jaunne I thought you were talking about another Servant version of Ishtar, who also has a Rider Class Servant that is separate from her because of the Dead Heat Summer Race Event, in the same way as Gil has the other two.
Edit: After a moment's thought and rereading your previous posts, I think I understand where you were coming from now. You're saying Servant Ishtar would think Alex was the one who took Gugalanna from her when it was Strange Fakes Ishtar who nabbed it?
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Correct and it could be a funny little scene if you think about it and our main character would want to know how she lost a giant golden skeleton bull that produces storms. Could be a good omake.
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Broken? I don't remember it ever being broken. Got a source for that?
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I am nothing but a source for Fate info, I never stopped researching for the second part I've been writing after all.
Fossilized snake skin
The fossilized shell of the first snake in the world to shed its skin (この世で最初に脱皮した蛇の抜け殻の化石?) is a relic from the life of Gilgamesh, used as a catalyst to summon him as a Servant. As of the end of the 19th century, the snake skin was in possession of the Mage's Association. Tokiomi Tohsaka...
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I think it still could have been used to summon Gil since people have used broken catalysts before.
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If you mean the pieces of the Round Table and remnants of the Argo, then yes, I suppose you could say they are broken, however, the shattered snakeskin could never have been used to summon Gil again for quite a few reasons. The first being Gil was already around from the last war, the Fuyuki Grail can't summon a Servant that's already there. Second, Catalysts also work on Mystery, that all-encompassing word that governs Magecraft, so there is a difference between a broken Catalyst and a piece of something Greater used as a Catalyst. Third, if Rin wasn't going to use a broken Catalyst, something we hear as she laments on the shattered snakeskin and the pendant left by her father, why should we believe that it could still be used in the first place?
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