@zagan don't Alex have access to Phoenix Down? Could that be or have been used to save a few people?
I can't recall if we have access to it or not.
 
Vote Closed: Winner: 100 Perfect Teamwork

Blink, Blink. What?
I mean yes Perfect Teamwork is an excellent power (even if writing it may not be that easy) but come on how often will we roll in the power category with 500 points and land on a 500 points power. And not a weak one at that.
My ability to predict the result of a vote has always been crappy but in that particular instance, I'm completely baffled by your choice.
I could certainly have found a use for a personal training ground for all our partners. I could have found a use for a perfectly secured lab and storage area considering the unique materials we're producing. Alex would have been overjoyed to have a safe spot to hide his mother in case of trouble "cough" Endbringer"cough".
Depending on the creature we could have set up a production line, for example with Arachno we could have produced much more "Super" spider silk than with just material Extraction.
So yes you can't "mine" the biosphere but I don't think it's that much of a "drawback".

I'll respect the vote of course and as I said Perfect Teamwork is great but yeah Zagan is confused.

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So we don't get to keep this creature correct?
So if we gain the Creature honestly later is it the same mind or will it be a different person\soul?
W don't keep it no but yes if we gain it later it would remember the previous summoning.

If this isn't in workable condition could we fix it up? Or modify it to build things that suit our needs? Granted it normally wouldn't build things in useable condition outside. But what if we brought in resources to be used?
There's nothing to fix it's "only" a decor for the creatures to be comfortable in.

And Okay would be able to Aperate stuff in and out making the human sized door more of a nuisance than anything.
That's right as long as the door is open things could be teleported inside.

I just think that while the other two would have greater benefits, this would make for a more interesting story. It would also make more work for our dear author, but there you go. One question==would the randomly summoned creature count towards our 20 creature limit, or would it be a separate thing? And could it be summoned with any themes or other add ons? (Like, could we contingently try to summon it as a swarm just in case it were small enough to qualify?)
Yes, it would count against our limit.
Yes, any and all summoning power could be applied to the random summoning, even trying some that may not work.

@zagan don't Alex have access to Phoenix Down? Could that be or have been used to save a few people?
I can't recall if we have access to it or not.
We do have a few, but not many because the source is Thorne our Cactuar and he's also the source of our elixir (thankfully replaced by green potion now) and also frequent combat summon so we didn't have many opportunities to gain Phoenix Down.
As was mentioned they can be used to revive the recently dead but only if the body is mostly intact and if it's was recent enough (like less than one or two minutes) so it wouldn't have been applicable in the cases of the people killed by Oni-Lee and Cricket.
 
For me I had my eyes on Perfect Teamwork for awhile , hell I would've probably voted for it the first time we landed but at that time it was competing with Non-Lethal which is super good for us given our Hero career
 
So I noticed that CM had the Phoenix force from marvel as a possible summons. Does that mean he would become a Phoenix avatar? And what powers would he gain to make him fit in your world/how would he stack against Endbringers/Zions?
 
So I noticed that CM had the Phoenix force from marvel as a possible summons. Does that mean he would become a Phoenix avatar? And what powers would he gain to make him fit in your world/how would he stack against Endbringers/Zions?
Becoming a phoenix avatar would be one possibility, but mainly summoning the phoenix force itself as a presence in the universe with all that entail. As for power, it would give I haven't thought about it.
 
Becoming a phoenix avatar would be one possibility, but mainly summoning the phoenix force itself as a presence in the universe with all that entail. As for power, it would give I haven't thought about it.
....I feel kind of sad now lol. I was imagining epsilon/omega level compendium duking it out telekineticly with ol-feather face.
 
There's nothing to fix it's "
I meant in the sense that if it was Horizon: Zero Dawn then it might be an old dilapidated fabrication facility. Which would need some refurbishment. And if PRT or Protectorate wanted to adapt it for their use then even if it was fully functional it'd might need some alterations anyway. Then supplied some resources to make real merchandise.
Would that be possible? Based in what you said about spider thread I think so but I wanna make sure.
 
I really think we should be using the veto power more often if we are shooting for bigher summons/powers.

As it stands its about as used as elixirs in jrpgs (baring the ones that make them into basic healing items).
 
Pocket Biosphere is not that great once you read the power description, it's only good use is if their is some need for the creature to be in their natural environment to get what you wanted. You call it a Pocket Biosphere but to others it's more like a pocket illusion for any other creature you put in. Say you got that cauldron, it's there for the red-eye watcher, but put in the dinotools Junk, it can't interact in the same way. No connection, no useful data or salvage it could do, just a pretty place you can move around and put stuff in.

A lot of my own interest for it was as a way to bring a piece of that creatures world to you, materials and insights into local tech not withstanding. It's part of what made wilderfasts own story jump from street level fighting into humanitarian efforts after all.(I'm not ignoring the Kirin, it's just PART OF what made that story interesting to me.)

For the tldr crowd, 500 points felt too much for it to me.
 
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If we had put pocket biosphere for our shard, we could have probably gotten more from it.
 
A Shard is a continent sized creature so the pocket would have resized itself to accomidate and would have all the energy requirements solved.

Essentially it would have given us MASSIVE amount of space (As I do not really see it fitting n 10k square) and energy resources, provided we could have harvested it in addition to the other uses as listed.

Not that I would have voted for it still as I did think team work was still superior but next time it shows up, I would take it and put our shard into it.
 
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A Shard is a continent sized creature so the pocket would have resized itself to accomidate and would have all the energy requirements solved.

Essentially it would have given us MASSIVE amount of space (As I do not really see it fitting n 10k square) and energy resources, provided we could have harvested it in addition to the other uses as listed.

Not that I would have voted for it still as I did think team work was still superior but next time it shows up, I would take it and put our shard into it.
What about possible dangers? These things dud come from a world that allowed their multidimensional shifting because of anomalies. Could any human survive there? Then the exotic energies a Shard might give off being that close? Might irradiate a human.
 
I meant in the sense that if it was Horizon: Zero Dawn then it might be an old dilapidated fabrication facility. Which would need some refurbishment. And if PRT or Protectorate wanted to adapt it for their use then even if it was fully functional it'd might need some alterations anyway. Then supplied some resources to make real merchandise.
Would that be possible? Based in what you said about spider thread I think so but I wanna make sure.
No, it's completely different.
First of all the natural environment of a Redeye Watcher is not a Cauldron that is just the place where they're created. They're "natural environment" if you can call it that is patrolling among GAIA terraformers to help protect them. So a pocket biosphere for them would be a big plain or savanna.
What I meant when I mentioned Arachno's silk, was that it's not a resource of the Pocket Biosphere itself but one produced by the Arachno itself.
It would work the same for the Firecomb produced by the Fireworm (Drone), or the Venom produced by the Basilisk.

Pocket Biosphere is not that great once you read the power description, it's only good use is if their is some need for the creature to be in their natural environment to get what you wanted. You call it a Pocket Biosphere but to others it's more like a pocket illusion for any other creature you put in. Say you got that cauldron, it's there for the red-eye watcher, but put in the dinotools Junk, it can't interact in the same way. No connection, no useful data or salvage it could do, just a pretty place you can move around and put stuff in.

A lot of my own interest for it was as a way to bring a piece of that creatures world to you, materials and insights into local tech not withstanding. It's part of what made wilderfasts own story jump from street level fighting into humanitarian efforts after all.(I'm not ignoring the Kirin, it's just PART OF what made that story interesting to me.)

For the tldr crowd, 500 points felt too much for it to me.
I'm not Wilderfast and as much as I love his story and as grateful as I am to him for writing that story I don't want to write the same story.
He put a lot of emphasis on the tech from HZD in his story, presumably because he's a fan of this setting. And it was great but it transformed these parts of his story into something closer to the Celestial Forge than the Celestial Menagerie. Something I refuse to do. And he didn't need Pocket Biosphere for that, Material Extraction was enough.

When I put that limitation in place on that power I didn't even think about HZD, I was thinking about Crysmal. Because their natural environments are underground caverns full of precious gems. And I don't want to hear the suggestion of turning the pocket Biosphere into a mine.
But even with that limitation, I think you are greatly underestimating the potential of the Pocket Biosphere.
It's a perfect Endbringer Shelter. It's a perfect Tinker Lab. It's a perfect mass troop transport. It's a perfect Prison. It's a perfect power testing ground. It's a perfect secured data center.
I'm willing to acknowledge that being a part of the Protectorate makes some of those use far less prominent but still.

If we had put pocket biosphere for our shard, we could have probably gotten more from it.
Wouldn't work a Shard couldn't have gotten a Pocket Biosphere because its already permanently summoned on its own Earth.

A Shard is a continent sized creature so the pocket would have resized itself to accomidate and would have all the energy requirements solved.

Essentially it would have given us MASSIVE amount of space (As I do not really see it fitting n 10k square) and energy resources, provided we could have harvested it in addition to the other uses as listed.

Not that I would have voted for it still as I did think team work was still superior but next time it shows up, I would take it and put our shard into it.
See above.

I don't want to spend any more time on that point. Perfect Teamwork is an awesome power and I'm glad to have gotten it. I'm currently writing the next chapter and I'm having a blast introducing it. I just think that it's a missed opportunity because buying a 100 points power is much easier than buying a 500 points one.
 
I will admit i didn't think about stocking it with creaturs that produce nor endbringer shelter

It probably would have swayed me, especially as we alrwady have friendly fire
 
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