What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?


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[] [Voxx Primuse Afterplan] Plan: A Balanced Breakfast
-[] First, we must begin to create and expand space stations. What was done with Defense Stations, such at a level beyond belief, can be done with human habitation. Yet this alone will not be enough.
-[] Second, we must truly and fully continue upon completion the research of even further crops capable of growing in Hives (or Ex-Hives), and their integration. This Hive World must become increasingly self-sufficient, even if this means that space must be cleared which will necessitate decreases in the total population (see below). Yet this alone will not be enough.
--[ ] Means: Speak with the Irritia, you have a burgeoning humanitarian problem that's likely to pop, and you want to take the steps needed to minimize the issues. Do they have any insights on very, very high density food growing? Or barring that, how to produce large amounts of food in space?
-[] Third, emmigration is not a possibility but a necessity. While we cannot possibly house the whole of the population, depopulating Voxx Primus, even a drop of one, two, or perhaps at a very distant strength three hundred billion in the system--whether on planets or whether on new space stations--could be transformative. Yet this alone will not be enough.
--[] Means: While we are here at a Constitutional Convention, create modest (definitely compared to SDF and SAG budget concerns) requirements to invest in expanded housing, and the creation of infrastructure to allow to both better house those who are already there but also be ready for immigration if need be.
-[] Fourth, we need to encourage safe and humane birth-limits, tied specifically to capacity to raise children to a good standard of living, and coinciding with a propaganda campaign to encourage a different mindset of concentrating resources and efforts, at least until the population is under control. Yet this alone will not be enough.
--[] Means: As a provision now, while the larger campaign waits, make birth control readily available to the Star Child population on Voxx Primus, and begin education in Family Planning, and specifically the drive to have kids only when you can make sure they will have a good (by whatever is standard atm) quality of living. Etc, etc. Sewing small seeds for later situations, and hopefully making sure those who are born are loved, planned for, and more liable not to die in childhood.
-[] Fifth, we must remember that through the Star Child all things are possible, so jot that down. Through prayer to the Star Child for deliverence, and the study of such Melodies as Health, Compassion, the Home, and Family (which may aid in the 4th if used right), and the performance of unique Songs... we may yet bring salvation unto not just seven-hundred billion, but to the trillions that will yet live under the light of the Five. This, TOGETHER, will suffice!
 
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[] [Yeeni] The Yeeni's construction and continued deployment of their Scout Cruiser Spirit of Discovery is indicative of the 'above and beyond' spirit of their species and should be a valid consideration for Kinship, especially when considered alongside the large active Yeeni contingents within our military apparatus. Neither of these actions are things required by a 'Good Protectorate taking their role seriously,' all that requires is paying your taxes on time and not causing problems. The Yeeni are actively seeking out involvement in wider Federation affairs, and have been doing so for an extended period of time. Their engineers are a core and crucial component in the running of our largest warships, the Leo Heavy Cruisers, and the Spirit of Discovery has been responsible for finding not one, not two, but dozens of abandoned precursor starships which could provide Star Child only knows what kinds of scientific advancement once grants are approved to study them. As such, though they have not performed anything so dramatic as our Kil'drabi siblings stand alongside us against a foreign foe, I believe that the Yeeni have demonstrated the desire, will, and strength of character necessary to be called our Kin.

My proposal in favor of granting the Yeeni kinship.
 
The second issue is that of Kin. Specifically, from sections of the Federation that are demanding that the Yeeni be granted that status through their continued service in the Federation, from their navy to the army, into their perfect record of supplying the levied taxes without any discrepancies, and the fact that no serious societal or special issues have popped up. Detractors, however, are pointing out that those are merely the actions of a Protectorate that takes its role seriously, rather than any proof that the Yeeni are to be elevated to Kin, the wording of the laws pointing out that such a thing would require it to be undeniably apparent to all involved that the Xenos in question are worthy of the elevation.

This, in turn, caused their opposites to declare the ones who had written the laws 'indecisive flip-floppers' who 'wanted their cake and eat it too,' with many calling for the laws to be changed. The opposition, in turn, told them to watch their mouths or they'd get a shoe thrown at them. With tempers flaring, Yeeni live streaming, and Kil'drabi joining in the bickering, it didn't take long for both issues to be split into two votes and halls. It also didn't take long for a member of one hall to try and tunnel into the other when they heard someone talking shit about them.

[] [Yeeni] (Write in your argument about whether they are to be made Kin or not. 200 Words minimum.)
[] [Kin Laws] (Write in if they are to be made more precise or if you want to do something else.)
Imho:
A change to the law.
Long term cooperation, in which the other show reliability and identification with the Starchilds value in faith and act, are a good reason to raise to Kin status even if no extraordinary specific feat happened.

And the Yeeni have been reliable partner. They have shown that they live by the values of the Starchild.
They should be raised to Kin.
 
Would going to Civ Inf XV go some way to solving the issue? Since all worlds will be ready to house more people?

It's a Food Inf problem, not a...

A...

Oh.

The answer was there all before us

[ ] Speak with the Irritia, you have a burgeoning humanitarian problem that's likely to pop with a very silly neighbor thinking they could just cram an unreasonable amount of people in one place, and you want to take the steps needed to minimize the issues. Do they have any insights on very, very high density food growing? Or barring that, how to produce large amounts of food in space?

The Irritia are the answer to our problems, they're an entire species that are all about terraforming and Growing Stuff. They even like doing it! Seeing if we can tap their expertise in this sounds like it would produce Good Results.
 
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It's a Food Inf problem, not a...

A...

Oh.

The answer was there all before us

[ ] Speak with the Irritia, you have a burgeoning humanitarian problem that's likely to pop, and you want to take the steps needed to minimize the issues. Do they have any insights on very, very high density food growing? Or barring that, how to produce large amounts of food in space?

The Irritia are the answer to our problems, they're an entire species that are all about terraforming and Growing Stuff. They even like doing it! Seeing if we can tap their expertise in this sounds like it would produce Good Results.

That's a good idea, but I don't think it's enough. But, hmm.
 
30 Actions, but it would basically give you +5 Void and Heavy Dev.

That's a very steep price.

However.

If we start keeping the Vox Primus infiltration as slow-roll as possible, to stretch out the time we have, and maybe also begin infiltrations on the Agri Worlds, we might be able to get this done in a decent amount of time, of we hard-commit to it, but it would be a major investment of time and resources, like multiple turns of 'all actions go into building these stations.'

@HeroCooky how difficult comparatively would infiltration/subversion efforts on the 3 agri worlds that provide for Vox Primus be? Would they require the same levels of action investment upkeep as the Vox Primus infiltration?
 
Couldn't we also order the cult to start teaching about safe sex, contraceptives and family planning?

That way we can start making a dent in the issue and creates a culture that won't immediately reject the new population control pólicies.
 
The first and foremost issue revolves around the effort to turn Voxx Primus to the side of the Glimmering Federation. Not because of any dissent in the ongoing undermining and infiltration, many are happy that their ranks upon that world have swelled to nearly 150 million saved souls despite the continuing, if lessening, crackdown on the unfortunates living in the Underhive of the world's capital and the Witch Hunts petering off, but because of one glaring issue: there is no plan on what to do if they succeed in turning this world.

A Hive World is...the less said about it, the better, yet one thing must be said: they cannot be allowed to exist within the Federation. Nobody within the political apparatus seriously considers the continuation of the Hives as something that will happen within the Federation, as nearly every level of them is entirely against either moral, practical, ethical, or religious considerations and sentiments.

And yet, though plans are plenty on what to do to aid the infiltration, there are few plans on what to do with a world housing around ~700 BILLION PEOPLE.
Ah, that IS fair. We have been focused on subverting the hive without any real plan on what to do. And we can't really just colonize new worlds and dump the population off there. We don't have anywhere else to put them. and as stated, no one wants to continue the Hive system. If it was up to us we wouldn't have a plan in place until after we took it over.

There are some ideas, like pumping the inhabitants of the world full of anaphrodisiacs and letting time do away with the population that cannot be supported should the nearby trio of Agri Worlds not be taken in full and wholly intact at the same time as the Hive World, or shipping the excess populations to Federation worlds (which would come to around 24 billion people per world, meaning it is wholly unfeasible). Some are even proposing the creation of Orbital Rings around selected stars to house the populations while using stellar mass harvested to produce all they need and improve the rest of the Federation.

But none are entirely sure what to do when Voxx Primus is liberated, for 700 billion people are more than 13 times the entire population of the Federation...upon a single world, no less.
Yup, besides we don't have any non-hostile or deathworlds to colonize, it would need to support many Billions if we start start a new colony. a few billion is a tall ask but doable but yah that ain't happening. We could build Orbital rings that could support some population but that would require something like the Rings of Kuat, the type that ring the entire planet and one every one of our worlds. If we don't do that, we just have to go out and do some conquest to lessen the load more. Maybe reduce it to 13 billion per world or the like.

Yah, we need to have some sort of plan.

I don't have many opinions on the Kin classification and law, I do think we made the right call at the time but didn't account the Yeeni to be stuck in roles that they never had the chance to be able to do what the Kil'drabi. By our laws, the Yeeni ARE doing their job as described.
 
There are some ideas, like pumping the inhabitants of the world full of anaphrodisiacs and letting time do away with the population that cannot be supported should the nearby trio of Agri Worlds not be taken in full and wholly intact at the same time as the Hive World, or shipping the excess populations to Federation worlds (which would come to around 24 billion people per world, meaning it is wholly unfeasible). Some are even proposing the creation of Orbital Rings around selected stars to house the populations while using stellar mass harvested to produce all they need and improve the rest of the Federation.
@HeroCooky Are the three colonized planets in Voxx Secundus the trio of Agri Worlds talked about here?

If that is the case, then part of the solution might be to spread our covert operations to those planets too.
 
Couldn't we also order the cult to start teaching about safe sex, contraceptives and family planning?

That way we can start making a dent in the issue and creates a culture that won't immediately reject the new population control pólicies.

That's a good sub-thing. What I'm doing is having five points, and then a 'Means' thing beneath them that might be specifics. That's a good one, though the one iffy thing is that we actually do want that population/numbers on our side at this point. But we were always planning to expand more from expanding and less from out-fucking the enemy, so.

Ah, that IS fair. We have been focused on subverting the hive without any real plan on what to do. And we can't really just colonize new worlds and dump the population off there. We don't have anywhere else to put them. and as stated, no one wants to continue the Hive system. If it was up to us we wouldn't have a plan in place until after we took it over.


Yup, besides we don't have any non-hostile or deathworlds to colonize, it would need to support many Billions if we start start a new colony. a few billion is a tall ask but doable but yah that ain't happening. We could build Orbital rings that could support some population but that would require something like the Rings of Kuat, the type that ring the entire planet and one every one of our worlds. If we don't do that, we just have to go out and do some conquest to lessen the load more. Maybe reduce it to 13 billion per world or the like.

Yah, we need to have some sort of plan.

I don't have many opinions on the Kin classification and law, I do think we made the right call at the time but didn't account the Yeeni to be stuck in roles that they never had the chance to be able to do what the Kil'drabi. By our laws, the Yeeni ARE doing their job as described.

Speak for yourself, I actually did have a bunch of ideas, but there was no point in formally presenting them until now.
 
@HeroCooky how difficult comparatively would infiltration/subversion efforts on the 3 agri worlds that provide for Vox Primus be? Would they require the same levels of action investment upkeep as the Vox Primus infiltration?
They are Agri Worlds. Offer them a ticket out of there and they'll burn their family alive without hesitation if that is the price.
@HeroCooky Are the three colonized planets in Voxx Secundus the trio of Agri Worlds talked about here?

If that is the case, then part of the solution might be to spread our covert operations to those planets too.
Yep, they are.
 
Why not ask the other polities if they can take any immigrants, a lot of Hive residents will move to even Xeno worlds so long as they will be safe and able to live prosperous lives.

We could also if desperate colonize the Abyssal Eye and Node 17c. It will cost some Void Infrastructure, but we could just transplant straight from Voxx Primus wholesale without any problems from other colonists.
 
We should have plans to deal with the economics of having a population collapse.

Because trying to drop those numbers that quickly will cause shocks to the economy of the planet.
 
I agree we should pursue all of the above solutions as a way to mitigate the population bomb that Vox Primus represents.

We could also try seeing about getting the propaganda department made to start converting the Ashan Families and the Shipwright Alliance, so we increase our size and further buffer the effects of taking over Vox. It'll also open up further routes of expansion and colonization for the eventual surplus of population.

As for the Yeeni, I do think we should change the law so that a long history of exemplary, if relatively unremarkable, service should also qualify for potential Kin status. And that the Yeeni do qualify for Kinship.
 
It's a Food Inf problem, not a...

A...

Oh.

The answer was there all before us

[ ] Speak with the Irritia, you have a burgeoning humanitarian problem that's likely to pop with a very silly neighbor thinking they could just cram an unreasonable amount of people in one place, and you want to take the steps needed to minimize the issues. Do they have any insights on very, very high density food growing? Or barring that, how to produce large amounts of food in space?

The Irritia are the answer to our problems, they're an entire species that are all about terraforming and Growing Stuff. They even like doing it! Seeing if we can tap their expertise in this sounds like it would produce Good Results.
It should also be noted that the system next to Voxx Primus has several Agri-worlds which should massively help in feeding it. We just need to take it and then hunker down.
 
Actually, what WOULD be the composition for some bizarre family-planning Song, now that I'm feeling Whimsical, @HeroCooky ?

Like, a song that makes it so that someone/presumably actually someones will only have children when they want them, when they're loved and there's food to spare and room to spare and etc.

If that makes sense? It's absurd as an idea, but our Songs have done absurd things before!
 
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