I will be honest: I don't see them giving up the warp travel tech now, in the century of trade, migration and conversion. Sure.
But right now, we barely know each other, so I doubt it.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
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But right now, we barely know each other, so I doubt it.
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On the other hand, if their Psykers aren't getting trained, they're a Chaos Bomb waiting to happen, and we can always sneak a Chameleon or two in to listen in if they decide to just suddenly abuse our Choirs because Da Evulz.
If they want to use them to send mail? We have access to their Mail
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Yup hence why they can stay away from ours. 20 choirs is insane. If they want safe psyker training we can train them in our schools
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Hmm, so what would the 'maximize influence at the cost of Auramite' option be? And do we have any estimates on how long it would take to get them to join the Federation in that scenario? Because I really like the idea of giving them the Auramite now because it (and everything else) will be ours in X Turns anyways.
I think we should give it up for now in exchange for the potential of future peaceful integration of the whole Alliance while getting reasonable concessions from them. such as 1/3 of auramite production and missionary action for (relatively free)
I mean at the rate we are gaining Choirs, we'd get well over double the number of Choirs in 10 turns. Even more if we push out more colonies early.
While 20 Choirs seems like a lot, it really isn't in the grand scheme of things.
Hell, we gained 8 Choirs between years 590 and 600. Like, 20 isn't that much these days as our psykana ramps up.
While 20 Choirs seems like a lot, it really isn't in the grand scheme of things.
Hell, we gained 8 Choirs between years 590 and 600. Like, 20 isn't that much these days as our psykana ramps up.
It probably depends on how bad their civilian, medical, and food development is compared to ours. I think it will be a century or 2 at most, especially if/when we share the same faith.
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Meh, I truly don't give a shit about the alliance, just give the temple authority 50% of it, they are just trying to bulldoze around like North Korea or something.
The people I'm fine with saving, their government? Goes like the imperial nobles, extinct and not missed.
The people I'm fine with saving, their government? Goes like the imperial nobles, extinct and not missed.
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It's just diplomacy, for god's sake. The fact that they're not immediately rolling over to our demands doesn't mean they're malicious actors against us. We just have to make a counteroffer, or drop the claim for better terms somewhere else. It's really not that big of a deal.
My guy, that would almost centenary cause said government which isn't as bad as post-imperial nobles to take a level of heretic or Dogmatic, if not both, which could mean another war in a few decades, hell even the civilians would be pissed given how many of their people died on Tom
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Sure but they are getting to the point of being annoying which is a sin
In all seriousness if it wasn't for my greed I'd give them the sector and take the action to aid back and call it a morning. Let them handle as they do. But I want to expand our religious and trade relations into their lands..and take some of that ore
yes you see my vision
I agree with not tech, but aid could be used to make a lot of people in the Alliance like us a lot more, which could bring them into the fold quicker.. not to mention that it is just good thing to do (and probably lowers the chance of chaos resurgence in the area)
Will it though? I don't think its going to create enough goodwill to be worth an entire AP worth of help.
And we already promised to help them if Chaos flares up again. If they want further help it's going to cost them.
We are not friends, nor am I really interested in paying to become one when we have better prospects for it.
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Plus they seem the type to become summer/spring friends…when the chips are down they are gone and out.
Will chaos have a resurgence in a torn planet full of leftover chaos stuff? Where, without our aid, could they spend decades or centuries in squalor? Yes, I think so very much, I am not as worried in case of rockbois given that they do have some methods to deal with chaos but the shipbois probably know very basics (which is also why I included the clause of them giving back Tom if they fucked up, because to me they are almost guaranteed to fucked up)
Would offering to provide enough amurite to the lamanters to outfit each of their libarians would make the shipwright alliance feel better about the deal.
I say give them the choirs as that will reduce them having problems with pyskers in the future as we want to absorb them in the long term.
I say give them the choirs as that will reduce them having problems with pyskers in the future as we want to absorb them in the long term.
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[] Plan: Well if you want it
-[] Okay, sure, we were of the impression that you were having a rough time and weren't in any position to handle anything like that. Sure then, you can have it, if you're doing well enough to cleanse the place and make sure they're properly cared for on top of everything else then, I don't think you need any special help getting back on your feet.
-[] We are willing to give the system, all planets within, and will offer potential assistance/guidance/training in lieu of Choirs in the Glimmering Federation
--[] In exchange for the compass they speak of, 1/3rd of Auramite mined, preferential trade agreements with us and the Ashan Families and for them to allow our priests to spread our faith in their lands unmolested.
-[] Create an Official Donation Drive for the affected people of Sub-Sector 621. (No Action Cost)
-[] TLDR: We rescind our action to aid. We give them the planet and offer training for their psykers in our lands. In exchange we get preaching rights and protections, 1/4th of Auramite mined and preferential trade for both us and Ashan. Also the compass to see what that's about
Somewhat revised. No choirs but training for their psykers...hold on let me add a TLDR.
Edit: If they are gonna ask for our warp travel secrets we are gonna ask for theirs. Cause they stopped being good faith and we are under no obligation to remain as such. They want the planet. Fine. Take it
-[] Okay, sure, we were of the impression that you were having a rough time and weren't in any position to handle anything like that. Sure then, you can have it, if you're doing well enough to cleanse the place and make sure they're properly cared for on top of everything else then, I don't think you need any special help getting back on your feet.
-[] We are willing to give the system, all planets within, and will offer potential assistance/guidance/training in lieu of Choirs in the Glimmering Federation
--[] In exchange for the compass they speak of, 1/3rd of Auramite mined, preferential trade agreements with us and the Ashan Families and for them to allow our priests to spread our faith in their lands unmolested.
-[] Create an Official Donation Drive for the affected people of Sub-Sector 621. (No Action Cost)
-[] TLDR: We rescind our action to aid. We give them the planet and offer training for their psykers in our lands. In exchange we get preaching rights and protections, 1/4th of Auramite mined and preferential trade for both us and Ashan. Also the compass to see what that's about
Somewhat revised. No choirs but training for their psykers...hold on let me add a TLDR.
Edit: If they are gonna ask for our warp travel secrets we are gonna ask for theirs. Cause they stopped being good faith and we are under no obligation to remain as such. They want the planet. Fine. Take it
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Honestly, I don't get why people are so mad at them? I think this OOC entitlement is going to worsen our diplomacy. And it's the MTA that are clearly trying to divide and conquer here.
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It's not entitlement. They are being threatening and annoying. Like fine they know about the Auramite but the issue people are taking is with the not subtle threat about Tom. Which is diplomacy sure but if they want to go there...well I have been told to respond to energy with energy. Also half the Choirs is abundantly a massive ask.
Edit: Also my plan is hella generous. They get to keep 4 planets and 3/4ths of the Auramite and get their psykers trained in a safe manner. They only have to give trade rights, a compass, preaching rights and not getting an aid action.
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I mean, the whole, "We might go to war with you if you don't give us Yivv, and if you want to sweeten the deal for us to let you keep Yivv, how about giving away half your Tech and a meaningful percentage of your Psykers for a century and a half" is, like. Kinda shitty?
To be clear here, it's not, like, "They're our enemies now" Shitty. But they're playing hardball and in such a case I don't know why we should not just wash our hands go, "Here you go, Yivv" and keep them at a distance. We'll help them if anything happens, but that's for later.
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They are not going to accept this for the same reason we are having this discussion right now.
They need Yivv and are apparently willing to fight us for it.
Its less entitlement and more that we need to act like the regional power.
Pushing your wheight around is also part of diplomacy.
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Honestly if we wanted to be an asshole we would have asked for any STCs that they have for the four planets but we aren't going there. 20 Choirs or a fuckton of tech is an wild ask
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