Right of passage.
Trade and cultural exchange (*cough* conversion opportunities*cough*).
Maybe trade options for 1 quarter of the auramite?
Wouldn't be much, but might still get the Star Mechanicum very excited.
Sterbelicht - One Sacrifice At A Time Against The Galaxy (40K)
- Thread starter HeroCooky
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Trade and cultural exchange (*cough* conversion opportunities*cough*).
Maybe trade options for 1 quarter of the auramite?
Wouldn't be much, but might still get the Star Mechanicum very excited.
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[] Plan: Washing Our Hands of Them, But Leaving An Open Door.
-[] You can have Yivv, but in exchange we're not providing you any Civilian Aid. Good luck out there, it's a harsh galaxy. Perhaps we'll do business in the future, perhaps not. However, if you ever are in danger again from Chaos or anything like that, we're still willing to help you/etc, so feel free to call us in the unfortunate event that anything like that happens.
Something like that?
-[] You can have Yivv, but in exchange we're not providing you any Civilian Aid. Good luck out there, it's a harsh galaxy. Perhaps we'll do business in the future, perhaps not. However, if you ever are in danger again from Chaos or anything like that, we're still willing to help you/etc, so feel free to call us in the unfortunate event that anything like that happens.
Something like that?
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How many STCs do these people have? Because Auramite for STCs is on the table here as well
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
TBH, if they're willing to accept all the costs and all the risks of extracting the Auramite, and will literally wardec us over a few dozen kilos, then... Let them have it? It's very much a "It'd be nice to have but I'm not going to fight another fucking war for it" as far as I'm concerned.
Sending them choirs is a good thing. We can spread our faith because our faith is how we safely travel the warp. You cannot trivially split the two. Spreading our faith will make future diplomacy easier.
If anything I am keen to reverse course. With an understanding that the planet is THAT important to them we offer it up. We also offer up their choirs.
But then we milk them for resources to push our industries, hopefully allowing us to push towards more perks to replace the one we are trading away.
If anything I am keen to reverse course. With an understanding that the planet is THAT important to them we offer it up. We also offer up their choirs.
But then we milk them for resources to push our industries, hopefully allowing us to push towards more perks to replace the one we are trading away.
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Hmm Yviv is whatever. If they want it we should absolutely grill them for it. @HeroCooky how close are we to the Trade Families? Would they like new markets?
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But yeah, I like my plan. It doesn't get us anything, but it gets us out of the obligation of having to spend an action helping them Reconstruct things, which by their standards means they're trading multiple actions worth of their own effort because they decided to play hardball... but because it DOES give them the system and also makes it clear that we'll still stand with them against Chaos or anything LIKE that, it doesn't slam the door on their fingers.
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Can anyone explain what Auramite is used for? I remember something about the Custodians' armor being made from it but I'm not sure why we want it so much.
Just read the wiki and there's also something about psychic resonance, which seems useful but we haven't even researched the basics of psytech.
Just read the wiki and there's also something about psychic resonance, which seems useful but we haven't even researched the basics of psytech.
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It was one action for both which is gonna be really funny when all that becomes concentrated in just the Mashan Authority. My thought is more that if they really want it they can have it but I want the compass they are talking about, preferential trade agreements with us and the Ashan Families and for them to allow our priests to spread our faith in their lands
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Hm...so we've got 35 free Celestial Choirs right now. I kinda want to give the Aurumite to the Mashan, and also send the Choirs to the Alliance with-maybe-an added clause that we can send Preachers into their territory as well to spread the Good Word of the Star Child. Maybe also some kind of promise to treat the planet and those who died their with respect?
Not sure how good of an option that would be, but it seems like it would give us the...kinda-best of all worlds.
Not sure how good of an option that would be, but it seems like it would give us the...kinda-best of all worlds.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Better idea.
[] Plan: OK Then
-[] Okay, sure, we were of the impression that you were having a rough time and weren't in any position to handle anything like that. Sure then, you can have it, if you're doing well enough to cleanse the place and make sure they're properly cared for on top of everything else then, I don't think you need any special help getting back on your feet.
--[] Drop the issue, frankly, as much as it'd be nice to have, there's not enough to be worth starting Another war over this. Not when we have so many other issues on the table that we need to sort out still. If they want to break themselves for a few dozen kilos of Auramite, let's just be ready to clean up after them.
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something else to consider here, would the Auramite deposits need Ap to exploit? because if so, it may not be worth it to claim the system, we are always under extreme AP crunch so anything that needs us to spend AP to profit from carries an extreme cost.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Should be part of settling the place.
That being said, unless they're Secretly a Superpower that dwarfs us, trying to settle that place is likely going to effectively come at a five to ten AP tax.
Ultimately though, the juice isn't worth the squeeze, especially with Mashan being willing to play Divide and Conquer. Try to leverage that to get some concessions elsewhere.
We should use this to spread our faith like right now so we can subvert them into our nation
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I'll note that there's no way it isn't a major bluff considering how comically outclassed they are. But yeah. I just in general like the idea of actually just accepting their bullshit at face value. And, like, it's not the worst bullshit ever? It's just the regular old Diplomatic Game bullshit. No Chaos, no mass murder, no Xenocide. Just being kinda a dick.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
It isn't a major bluff if Mashan weighs in their favor and joins a war on their behalf as part of an assimilation game. The implications I'm getting off of them is that they're at least a peer power, if not twice our size.
And Mashan has been aggressively downplaying our acts while pumping the Shipbuilders up at every turn. I think they absolutely deem us to be a Threat somehow.
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ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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Ohhh the alliance is being stubborn here understandable really given what's involved im willing to send some of our psykers to teach them but im less willing to give over so much of our technology to them. Our tech is a rare advantage we have other most other local players one im not willing to give.
At the same time i dont think the temple alliance deal is a good one either but if the shipbuilder alliance doesn't budge I'd go with there deal. Though threatening us with radicals making moves on Yviv is very bold of the shipbuilders all above given we're a far stronger polity then them.
At the same time i dont think the temple alliance deal is a good one either but if the shipbuilder alliance doesn't budge I'd go with there deal. Though threatening us with radicals making moves on Yviv is very bold of the shipbuilders all above given we're a far stronger polity then them.
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@HeroCooky , I'm pretty sure if we're agreeing to Civilian Trade that they'll have access to the star maps to see (roughly) how large we are, and that we'd have the same for them? So, how far do they extend into K'ali A'shi?
Hm. Wait.
How about this:
1. The Shipwrights get Yivv
2. Federation gets a share of the Arumite (we'll want some to work with to at least study it, studying it might help with our psytek research)
3. Federation helps the Shipwrights set up a psychic tradition that *won't* explode into daemons and Chaos.
What we really want from Yivv is the Arumite.
How about this:
1. The Shipwrights get Yivv
2. Federation gets a share of the Arumite (we'll want some to work with to at least study it, studying it might help with our psytek research)
3. Federation helps the Shipwrights set up a psychic tradition that *won't* explode into daemons and Chaos.
What we really want from Yivv is the Arumite.
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[] Plan: Well if you want it
-[] We are willing to give the system in exchange for the compass they speak of, preferential trade agreements with us and the Ashan Families, a quarter of all Auramite mined and for them to allow our priests to spread our faith in their lands. We will also be focusing our aid on the Mashan Authority as the Shipwrights seem to be doing well as indicated by their willingness to take on the project of colonizing Tom
-[] We are willing to give the system in exchange for the compass they speak of, preferential trade agreements with us and the Ashan Families, a quarter of all Auramite mined and for them to allow our priests to spread our faith in their lands. We will also be focusing our aid on the Mashan Authority as the Shipwrights seem to be doing well as indicated by their willingness to take on the project of colonizing Tom
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
I'd be willing to trade Choir training time for a share of the Auramite if they desperately need it. But if they want control of it that badly, to the point of being willing to bear all the costs of setting the settlement up, so be it.
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Maybe we cede the system to the Alliance, and offer them the chance to send their Psykers over to learn the techniques of the Choir (on their own dime) and if/when they send those Psykers over, we convert them to the Star Child as an unofficial part of the training, and then send them back as functional missionaries to spread the word of what life in the Glimmering Federation is like.
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Yeah, they've made it clear what their priorities are. We can just wash our hands of it, get our one action of Aid back, and use it to do double Colonization actions while taking out one of the Heresies.
See, we don't need Yivv, we have four new systems and *six* new planets!
See, we don't need Yivv, we have four new systems and *six* new planets!
HeroCooky
Unverified Monstergirl
About three steps below that, actually.
Technical Informations regarding Irrita Warp Drives, because there is something fucky going on if they can be built and piloted by single person.
Preaching Rights. Expanded trade. Sale of ships. Cultural exchanges. Technological Information you don't have but they do. The Irrita Needle. Etc.
They'd be interested in new markets over there. Very. Interested.
Oh, they wouldn't settle that shitheap. That's a fucking Chaos Waste, ma guy. They'll just plop down mobile mines to scour the lands for the Auramite and have ships do orbital bombardments on anything that isn't them that moves on the surface.
What's this about graves? Eh, probably not important.
Basically two-thirds into it.
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How about this folks?
[] Plan: Arumite for Choir Time
-[] Shipwrights' Alliance gains Yivv
-[] Federation withdraws reconstruction aid offer
-[] Federation offers Choir assistance to help the Shipwrights' Alliance set up a stable psychic tradition/method in exchange for a share of the Arumite.
[] Plan: Arumite for Choir Time
-[] Shipwrights' Alliance gains Yivv
-[] Federation withdraws reconstruction aid offer
-[] Federation offers Choir assistance to help the Shipwrights' Alliance set up a stable psychic tradition/method in exchange for a share of the Arumite.