What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?


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How the fuck could we have anticipated "Quintura Diablo rises up in general revolt in our favor when we show up" though, given how literally every other time we've made contact with an Imperial held world that wasn't outright abandoned, they went Maximum Atrocity to deny us everything they could?

I'm... Uh, willing to take the surrender at face value though. Simply because this is not the kind of tactics that the Imperium is fundamentally capable of. So much of their horseshit is about Performative Piety that even a feigned surrender is just a step too far. Which makes me wonder "What the fuck line did Neon cross that an entire squadron decide to defect as one?"
Actually, yea agreed.

Probably has something to do with the imperium abandoning entire systems and they are now fighting those systems. It probably isn't to hard to believe that rebellion started out of fear and generations of cruelty. Then again I don't have any idea what the citizens even know about us, either it's misinformation or it's a "Literally anyone else, you aren't a demon so you first."
 
How the fuck could we have anticipated "Quintura Diablo rises up in general revolt in our favor when we show up" though, given how literally every other time we've made contact with an Imperial held world that wasn't outright abandoned, they went Maximum Atrocity to deny us everything they could?

I'm... Uh, willing to take the surrender at face value though. Simply because this is not the kind of tactics that the Imperium is fundamentally capable of. So much of their horseshit is about Performative Piety that even a feigned surrender is just a step too far. Which makes me wonder "What the fuck line did Neon cross that an entire squadron decide to defect as one?"
Are you seriously asking how an uprising that can tie us down and/or test our morals happened in the region of space where Aphla Legion is currently present?
 
I mean, so your plan is to let many millions of people die because it's slightly inconvenient to our action economy right now?
No, as I've stated 8 times, either we give them up or we replan. I'm saying we shouldn't get them unless we have a plan. Which your ignoring.

Are you seriously asking how an uprising that can tie us down and/or test our morals happened in the region of space where Aphla Legion is currently present?
No? He is just wondering what the hell is happening.
 
Are you seriously asking how an uprising that can tie us down and/or test our morals happened in the region of space where Aphla Legion is currently present?

I mean, yes, fair.

This is good for us, it's just... God damnit.

The only really good news here is that there weren't that many ground battles involved in this wave of the campaign, fortunately. We can probably drop a good set of line holders down to buy time until we can chew this place up properly.
 
So what I'm gathering is that we're about to lose a Med Service level, lol. :V
Yeah...

But also gotta define our policies on surrender and integration.
(Dealing with the risk that some of the rioters are imperial loyalists that gave up on preventing the uprising and want to infiltrate to screw us over)

But all in all... Neon is screwed.

Fuck. Quick replan some stuff!


Yes. Even if one planet surrenders we still need to destroy those shipyards, we can't physically take this system without major complications. So destroying the shipyards is still very much needed.

The question is can we take the planet without putting us in a bad position. The entire plan was made because we can't take these systems, so taking a planet and trying to uplift it and make it defensible, while the enemy is right there…

I don't think we should accept the planet unless we are willing to rework the entire plan.
Why not take the system?

Its gonna set us back infra levels, but if we can push and fortify Brigath, we wouldn't just pause the production of those planets for Neon, we'd out right deny them.
And unless there is something very special about Quintura Diablo system this could also speak volumes about the morale of Neon.
Every planet that we take stops giving resources to Neon. Every ship that surrenders is a ship Neon doesn't have to throw at us, without attrition to our fleet.

I mean, it kinda was our choice to ignore Med Services V in favor of getting a new ship-class. Like, don't get me wrong, it's a really cool ship class, but we made a choice.
Iirc, that didn't really make a difference in this, we would have had to reach Med Services V and keep it until end of turn to be awarded.
Losing Med Infra this turn would have prevented getting the milestone even if we had taken the Med Services V action.

How the fuck could we have anticipated "Quintura Diablo rises up in general revolt in our favor when we show up" though, given how literally every other time we've made contact with an Imperial held world that wasn't outright abandoned, they went Maximum Atrocity to deny us everything they could?

I'm... Uh, willing to take the surrender at face value though. Simply because this is not the kind of tactics that the Imperium is fundamentally capable of. So much of their horseshit is about Performative Piety that even a feigned surrender is just a step too far. Which makes me wonder "What the fuck line did Neon cross that an entire squadron decide to defect as one?"
Dunno, but probably related to the war against Chaos and us requiring resources and Neon pressing harder and harder on their planets to gain resources.
Which would just get worse for Neon with us taking the planets (Neon needing to press the remaining planets even harder).

Man. Being the good guys sucks.
Its giving us a win.
 
...I'm ignoring it because I didn't even think of that as an option. There's literally a write-in vote option, of COURSE we'd have a plan? Duh?

It literally tells us to plan.
No, I'm talking a complete revision to our war strategy which specifically talked and made point of not taking anything. I'm not talking about something as simple as accepting a surrender, why would I make a point out of that?

No shit it tells us to plan, I'm saying we either replan things or we don't take the planet, as our current plan doesn't account for this,
 
No, I'm talking a complete revision to our war strategy which specifically talked and made point of not taking anything. I'm not talking about something as simple as accepting a surrender, why would I make a point out of that?

No shit it tells us to plan, I'm saying we either replan things or we don't take the planet, as our current plan doesn't account for this,
And everyone else besides you is taking "the write in is to write the changes to our warplan" for granted.
 
I can't believe they surrendered. No, really I can't. I'm staring at it and all I can think is "what the fuck just happened".

At least there will be less blood shed(sorry Khorne maybe another time) so I guess playing "the good guys" was worth it and considering the god we are worshipping the only choice that works.
 
...again, yes, duh?

That's a given. Who has been advocating for changing nothing except accepting these surrenders? I was talking about the specifics of dealing with the surrenders because those are presumably the first step in any plan, figuring out what to do with the ships.
 
'officiate' the surrender cause it will make the Imperials much less trigger finger about suddenly going "HERESY! MUST BURN!"
They surrendered to a bunch of ships they should believe are crewed by Xenos, Heretics, and Mutants. That they are surrendering, at all, is a sign that "DODGY SHIT HAPPENING; YO!"
God fucking damnit.

Are you doing this on purpose @HeroCooky ?

Or were the Background Rolls just wacky shit?
Would you believe me if I said: Yes? :V
But no, the rolls were wacky, and the traits were wacky, and the purpose was there, 'cause I wrote it. :p
They don't know who the Star child is
How the fuck could we have anticipated "Quintura Diablo rises up in general revolt in our favor when we show up" though, given how literally every other time we've made contact with an Imperial held world that wasn't outright abandoned, they went Maximum Atrocity to deny us everything they could?
*Looks at your Research Perk literally stating that you get Local Hereteks on your side by offering to allow them to research. Automatically.*
Yeah, wonder why any planet, especially those who know about you after you burned down their shipyards capable of building Heavy Cruisers, would have a percentage of people who'd be eager to join you.
Okay, not hives, so evact seems possible; how many of them are there? 9 billions? XX billions?
Around 5 Billions, combined.
so I guess playing "the good guys" was worth it
Thread's literally playing the "Bet It All On Societal Buffs" Faction that grows stronger the more it cleaves to its chosen ideology and wonders why good stuff happens when they start doing just that. :V
 
...again, yes, duh?

That's a given. Who has been advocating for changing nothing except accepting these surrenders? I was talking about the specifics of dealing with the surrenders because those are presumably the first step in any plan, figuring out what to do with the ships.
Ok let's restart, because we must have misunderstood something, ima repeat why I said these things in the last two posts and you make your point.

Ok so you said that I was ok with letting millions(Probably billions now that I think about it) die because of our action economy. So I responded that I was simply wanting us to consider major plans if we do take the planet, as I don't want to just accept the planet and not have major changes.

You then stated that of course you're ignoring changes, as that is obvious. I was talking about a near complete overhaul to our long term plans that we had set up in the previous turn. I'm not to sure what you meant by this, but I was stating we can't just accept the planet and not change anything about our war strategy.

I'd like to hear your side now, as I'm not to sure what it is.
 
[O] Plan Trust but Verify ALways
-[] Accept the ships surrender but demand they power off their weapons and shields and allow boarder inspectors
--[] If possible have the Lamenters be the boarders to help ensure no one does anything stupid
-[] Observe both worlds to try and make sure this isn't a trap from either Neon or Chaos before committing to putting boots on the ground.
-[] Attempt to get communications going with the revolution leaders to get an idea of what's going on and if they can be worked with. Also ask them if they know if Neon had an Astropath in the system and whether they sent a message to the leadership already.
-[] IDK something something after verifying start supporting the rebels in taking key targets from the Neon loyalists with a focus on taking infrastructure intact?
-[] After the backbone of the Neon Loyalists are broken and initial negotiations with integrating the rebels is completed continue the operation?
-[] Maybe send word back home of this so additional SAGs and diplomats can get ready to move?

I don't know just a basic first draft plan to argue about
 
Thread's literally playing the "Bet It All On Societal Buffs" Faction that grows stronger the more it cleaves to its chosen ideology and wonders why good stuff happens when they start doing just that. :V
Thread when bad things are happening:

OH NO BAD THINGS ARE HAPPENING WE ARE DOOMED!

Thread when good things are happening:

OH NO GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING WE ARE DOOMED!

:V
 
[ ] Plan: Admiral K-531 sighs as they unsheathe their E-Tool.
-[ ] We were not expecting significant ground combat here, but between the humanitarian crisis that will unfold if we fail to act and the value of seizing Quintura Diablo largely intact through supporting a popular revolt, weighed against the disruption to FLOWERING THORN's schedule, sacrifices must be made.
--[ ] To that end, deploy the First Perfinda and First Gnatilla to backstop the revolution. We might lose a few weeks to reorganize, but we'll need that time to gather information on the new boardstate.
-[ ] The surrender of Burning Fist of Heroes and its compatriots is certainly appreciated, and they will be shown all due respect for an honorable surrender. But... Uh, it would be appreciated if they could enlighten you as to why. Our experience with Imperial Fundamentalists generally boils down to "Will gladly burn their next generation to slightly inconvenience a rival.", and an understanding of just what might have happened to change that usual calculus would be appreciated, to say the least. The last thing we want to do is run face first into some abomination or another when we were expecting a more traditional liberation campaign.
--[ ] TL;DR, Accept the surrender, treat them well for it, maybe figure out what the fuck changed that this suddenly became anything other than an unthinkable act by using that most mysterious technique of Civilized Conversation.
 
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Honestly, reading this? My knee-jerk reaction is Gene-Stealer Cult near maturity deciding to go screw it, we go loud now.

I don't think that's what's actually happening, but I've been thinking on what our worst possible opponent is, and concluded its Genestealer cultists.

We aren't anti-mutation so the hybrids can freely go about, we support several faith variations so the Four Armed Emperor won't raise many eyebrows, and as far as I know we flat out don't know about Genestealers.
 
They surrendered to a bunch of ships they should believe are crewed by Xenos, Heretics, and Mutants. That they are surrendering, at all, is a sign that "DODGY SHIT HAPPENING; YO!"
TBF I mostly believe the surrender especially since if the majority of the crew weren't for it there would be a minor rebellion in the ship even if the captain was honest about surrendering. It's just I want to ensure there's as few itchy trigger fingers as possible by not shoving xenos and mutants in their face and relying on Space Marine PR to make them not even begin to have second thoughts.
 
Honestly, reading this? My knee-jerk reaction is Gene-Stealer Cult near maturity deciding to go screw it, we go loud now.

I don't think that's what's actually happening, but I've been thinking on what our worst possible opponent is, and concluded its Genestealer cultists.

We aren't anti-mutation so the hybrids can freely go about, we support several faith variations so the Four Armed Emperor won't raise many eyebrows, and as far as I know we flat out don't know about Genestealers.

If a Gene Stealer Cult went loud, it would be giving off a discernable psychic signal. We're getting none of that apparently.
 
If a Gene Stealer Cult went loud, it would be giving off a discernable psychic signal. We're getting none of that apparently.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I don't think that's what's actually happening, but my paranoid ass can't dismiss it.

Edit: Though the Psychic Beacon is only when they Summon the Hive Fleet. In this case the Go Loud is overthrowing local Imp forces betting that the Glimmering Federation would be lax in screening, comparatively. So not necessarily igniting the Beacon, but going loud with rebel forces.
 
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Honestly, reading this? My knee-jerk reaction is Gene-Stealer Cult near maturity deciding to go screw it, we go loud now.

I don't think that's what's actually happening, but I've been thinking on what our worst possible opponent is, and concluded its Genestealer cultists.

We aren't anti-mutation so the hybrids can freely go about, we support several faith variations so the Four Armed Emperor won't raise many eyebrows, and as far as I know we flat out don't know about Genestealers.
You know if this system which has been abandoned by the god emperor or scared of it happening, is in full on rebellion on at least 1 planet probably more because the military has surrendered at least part of it, are fighting chaos on a front, had dark eldar not too far away working with pirates, has us the xenos with super advanced technology fighting them.

Then you add gene stealers. Dear god these guys are the lamentor chapters lost kin, these guys have the most shit luck.
 
I do also think that any naval forces... who do we have who would be most able to take the shipyards intact? If we are liberating this system we kinda need to have shipyards right there and available to build up an SDF as fast as fucking possible.

Because it seems as if we're going to be inventing Bite and Hold Tactics this decade. :p
 
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