What should your focus for the rest of the Quest be?


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@HeroCooky if we get Heavy Industry V before the Lamenters power armor project is done will the project have a better outcome due to the Candle Keepers unlocking RnD?
By the sheer fact that you will ahve better tech and industry to offer them, yeah.
But what if we encounter one someone else made?
Unless [They] somehow managed to completely conceil such a being without it going utterly insane and then Chaos, I rule that you will notice within less than two turns that "Shit's Up, Yo."
 
Ok, so do you mean that any AI that can't communicate but fulfills all the other criteria for being a person is automatically chaos aligned?
Sorry if I'm stuck on this, it's just I can't get over the fact that a paralyzed mute human would not have a soul under these criteria, unless I'm really misunderstanding something.
 
Ok, so do you mean that any AI that can't communicate but fulfills all the other criteria for being a person is automatically chaos aligned?
True AI are generally really susceptible to Chaos Corruption, given that they generally don't have souls capable of holding against the narratives of the Warp and Daemons most of the time. Only the old, powerful, or protected have a chance to tell Chaos to fuck off, and even then could be corrupted by a powerful enough attack or physical ritual.

A True AI that can't communicate (which would spell either complete puppetry of their actions or complete inaction for them) is just as likely to go nuts as a human in solitary isolation, with Chaos eagerly awaiting any chink in their armor to pour through.

This does not mean that can't resist, but time will doom them above all else, as Chaos can simply wait for the AI's soul to degrade or worsen with utter isolation and helplessness.
 
True AI are generally really susceptible to Chaos Corruption, given that they generally don't have souls capable of holding against the narratives of the Warp and Daemons most of the time. Only the old, powerful, or protected have a chance to tell Chaos to fuck off, and even then could be corrupted by a powerful enough attack or physical ritual.

A True AI that can't communicate (which would spell either complete puppetry of their actions or complete inaction for them) is just as likely to go nuts as a human in solitary isolation, with Chaos eagerly awaiting any chink in their armor to pour through.

This does not mean that can't resist, but time will doom them above all else, as Chaos can simply wait for the AI's soul to degrade or worsen with utter isolation and helplessness.

Mmm, so broadly speaking, while our Doctrine isn't a hard "Fuck Off Chaos", any hypothetical self-aware synthetic being that just so happened to follow the Five Critieria could be expected to be about as approximately resilient as any organic lifeform to the point where the difference from a spiritual standpoint is essentially moot, is that about right?

And the warning of "You can't do this shit on purpose because that requires perfect knowledge, and by definition that's only in the domain of the Omnissiah/Star Child" is generally a good admonishment about this happening by accident too, huh? The main pitfall being "If you just drop them in fully functioning from out of the ether even if by some miracle they're fully functional in all other respects, you're inviting calamity, and that's the great folly of the Ancients."
 
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Yeah, fundamentally as a general moral rule the moment people intentionally try to game something to be as close as the line as possible, it's because they're trying to get one over on someone and hurting people. So yeah, someone trying to create Artificial Life with 4.97 of the 5 Criteria because then it doesn't have a Soul and therefore isn't Slavery is, like.

That's always going to end badly, the Narrative or whatever is RIGHT THERE.

Children regularly go beyond the expected bounds of their parents/creators.
 
Yeah, fundamentally as a general moral rule the moment people intentionally try to game something to be as close as the line as possible, it's because they're trying to get one over on someone and hurting people. So yeah, someone trying to create Artificial Life with 4.97 of the 5 Criteria because then it doesn't have a Soul and therefore isn't Slavery is, like.

That's always going to end badly, the Narrative or whatever is RIGHT THERE.

Children regularly go beyond the expected bounds of their parents/creators.

Yeah, that's why there's the warning of "Don't think you can play fuckfuck games, the very act of Trying to play fuckfuck games is arguably worse than Hubris, because you know you're doing wrong and you're trying to game it. Ignorance can be excused, active shenanigans not so much. Adhere to the Five Criteria To the Letter or fuck right off, and if you can't because you're an imperfect being, don't try."

Notably, the most effective ways of adhering to the Five Criteria and creating life is to just... Do it the right way. What you're physically made up is less important than being woven into the harmony of existence from the ground level. The important thing is continuity and generally allowing things to play out instead of having a specific Task in mind that must be played out. It's telling that the Primarchs are probably the most successful examples of properly ensouled Artificial Life, and they were successful because they had an infant, juvenile, and adult stage, and were able to interact and pattern themselves off of their surroundings--most of the ones who actually went Bugfuck Crazy got that way because of Extreme Chaos Fuckfuck Games, or because the Emperor insisted on making them do shit they didn't want to do because WE GOTTA WAR--treating them like slaves rather than his actual children.
 
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--[] Addendum: Less orthodox is the addendum he added that claims that the Five's absolute knowledge of All Things mean that Souls must have always existed, and that therefore if a Machine is deemed to have a Soul it already existed and was granted by the Star Child. The Pre-History of souls is a controversial topic, as it calls into question the understanding of when, whether with Artificial or Natural Life, the Soul entered the body, which... well, let us say that there are at least a few verbal knife-fights following the ruling, and that by 278 M42, this final portion of the work is declared to be Not A Part of the Work, though it is not declared heresy, simply not canonized, leaving the debate to rage for centuries to come...


Also the timeline on this is everyone gets together after two years of arguing and says, "I think that Origen of Droma III's work is now the official canon explanation." Five minutes later someone says, "Even the bit about the pre-existence of souls, because that has people asking if they can Measure the moment something gains a Soul? And there's arguments about what this means about free-will... are the Souls created always destined to be put into place? Can a soul remember the time before it was a person??"

Six years of argument later someone finally throws up their hands and goes, "Okay, okay, the last chapter is officially not part of the book." "What do you mean, I have the book right here and..."

"It. Is. Officially. Not. Part. Of. The Book. Look here, I reprinted it without the section that is neither declared Canon nor Non-Canon..."

"...okay?"

"If Origen of Droma III wants to come back to life in a Miracle proving his Sainthood to debate with me, he can. Until then, it's not part of the Book we've declared Officially Canon."
 
--[] Addendum: Less orthodox is the addendum he added that claims that the Five's absolute knowledge of All Things mean that Souls must have always existed, and that therefore if a Machine is deemed to have a Soul it already existed and was granted by the Star Child. The Pre-History of souls is a controversial topic, as it calls into question the understanding of when, whether with Artificial or Natural Life, the Soul entered the body, which... well, let us say that there are at least a few verbal knife-fights following the ruling, and that by 278 M42, this final portion of the work is declared to be Not A Part of the Work, though it is not declared heresy, simply not canonized, leaving the debate to rage for centuries to come...


Also the timeline on this is everyone gets together after two years of arguing and says, "I think that Origen of Droma III's work is now the official canon explanation." Five minutes later someone says, "Even the bit about the pre-existence of souls, because that has people asking if they can Measure the moment something gains a Soul? And there's arguments about what this means about free-will... are the Souls created always destined to be put into place? Can a soul remember the time before it was a person??"

Six years of argument later someone finally throws up their hands and goes, "Okay, okay, the last chapter is officially not part of the book." "What do you mean, I have the book right here and..."

"It. Is. Officially. Not. Part. Of. The Book. Look here, I reprinted it without the section that is neither declared Canon nor Non-Canon..."

"...okay?"

"If Origen of Droma III wants to come back to life in a Miracle proving his Sainthood to debate with me, he can. Until then, it's not part of the Book we've declared Officially Canon."

"There's basically no way to get a satisfactory explanation to this because it's well into the domain of "Mysteries of God" so we're just going to go 'No Comment' on that topic"
 
Hipolyte of the Station's previous "closest to accepted" view of Artificial Souls had only three criteria, but they were more vague and broad, and emphasized more throughly the wonder of Machine Spirits and would have strenuously disagreed with the idea of "Transient" souls as anti-Motive-Force and Anti-Omnissiah propaganda.

The divide between them very well can be seen as the difference between someone who grew up specifically in the Mechanicus Tradition and then as one of the Early Priests of the Star Child, and someone who was born, died and lived on Droma III, with a few visits during the expansions/conquests/liberations, having been born into the Faith of the Star Child and therefore being less likely to assume that Machine Spirits HAVE to be a special, super-valuable, morally grand category of being.

These vaguer criteria at once made it harder to prove that you'd created Ensouled life, but also treated Machine Spirits even when they didn't have Souls as something greater than animals and only barely lesser than people, and therefore it began to fall out of fashion by the 160s and 170s, leading to the New Debate that Origen chimed in on... and then eighty years after he wrote the work, it's now (mostly) the Canon explanation.

And that's the history of the Souls debate!

(Someone probably invented the idea of Dark Souls at some point.)
 
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So we need to parse out how to give that AI a narrative.
Any ideas?

Don't make an AI and then expect it to be fully functional right from the get go? If you make an AI too far beyond their peers, communication becomes nigh impossible, which drives you away from Affinity.

At the end of the day, there's no way to just Wish life into being, whether that's through Advanced Math or any other bullshit. The Eldar could do it because they were the favorites of the Old Ones and Chaos wasn't strong enough to bully them, and look how well That worked out for them?

At the end of the day, whether a life is synthetic or organic, there have to be points of commonality in order to generate Affinity, which means there's just no way to get hyperintelligent AIs who can do a trillion things at once with pure processing power. There's no such thing as God AIs or ways to just print off good help, and trying just invites calamity. A stable synthetic intellect might have an affinity towards calculation and numbers and the like, but it won't be to the degree that makes them near omnipotent. (I recall that the Men of Iron went bad, but there were at least two other 'Brands' of AI that did work, presumably because they still had Affinity because they weren't developed enough that their designers could control for every variable)
 
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So we need to parse out how to give that AI a narrative.
Any ideas?

My best guess would be, if possible, assign that AI to some actions somehow. If we put it through more experiences and let it develop, it could eventually get itself a good narrative.

Now we definitely shouldn't throw it at anything related to Chaos, not until it grows enough to be able to resist it better anyway.
 
I mean, if you go full trans humanism there is

We also know that full transhumanism Does work, as long as you didn't just skip steps somewhere along the line. Most top level Magi are functionally entirely synthetic beings, with maybe a vestigial bit of grey matter. They don't suddenly drop dead randomly or instantly fall to Chaos, they're basically ageless until something kills them or they run out of capacity to store information.

Going from 0 to Demigod never works, but going from 0 to 1 to 2 and then eventually reaching Demigod step by step Does work--it's literally how the Space Marine package works. And even the Primarchs had a period of infancy. They were broadly self-sufficient even in that period, but that's not something that doesn't exist in nature either.

We also know that the one time the Emperor Did try to make a super-being that was immediately ready to go, and while it was very good at killing things, it utterly lacked the context to understand what things shouldn't be destroyed, so it was basically a terror weapon that could barely be controlled (Look up The Angel if you aren't aware of it)
 
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Scheduled vote count started by HeroCooky on Mar 14, 2024 at 11:38 AM, finished with 46 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] The "Origen" of Souls.
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    [X] The "Origen" of Souls.
    -[X] "On The Creation of Souls" by Priest Evreaux Origen of Droma III has through scholarly debate and argument become the leading tome on this issue, and it has been adopted as of 273 M42, after lengthy and rather vicious debate, as the primary and most theologically correct interpretation. Indeed, in histories of the Church afterward, the works of this priest, nearly eighty years old by this point, would be deemed as the one always accepted even though Hipolyte of the Station's more permissive version reigned supreme in the first century of the Star Child Faith.
    --[X] Key elements of this include a lengthy discussion of what makes something artificial. It highlights intent as the key element of artifice. A regular person born of an iron womb who then grew up as normal was not artificial, but a clone grown as a slave-soldier was, with Servitors occupying a slightly awkward grey area. Instead, the Five-Fold Criterion determines whether the Star-Child wills that an Artificial Life is Ensouled.
    --[X] The five points are... 1) History, that is to say that in order to be a life, a life must be able to be lived, 2) Affinity, a life is not a life entirely divorced and divided from others, and thus a creature that cannot communicate and cannot befriend others cannot be said to have a soul, no matter how intelligent 3) Sapience, that is to say that, as beloved as they are, and as much as they may have souls, pet animals of the sort found on many worlds are not Ensouled in the same way as a person would be, though their lives should still be valued, for cruelty to those lesser than you is a sign of madness. 4) Capacity to Believe. A Soul may well reject the Star Child: Xenos that do so, as damned as they are and as much as those who do so and attack the Star Child's followers are to be killed, are still People, are still Beings With Souls. 5) An Understanding of Themselves. I think therefore I am, as said by the Great Ancient Philosopher Plotos the Great, conqueror of an entire Terran Kingdom, or so the records we have indicate.
    --[X] Then we must ask, can the Motive Force within a Machine create Artificial Life with a Soul? The answer is yes, see the points beyond. But are Machine Spirits Souls? In most cases no, through the above criteria, though there are always exceptions. Instead they are what might be called Transient souls, lowercase, such as that which might define animals. Within the boundaries and will of the Omnissiah, though, these Machine Spirits when they die are recycled, and are thus to be Honored as part of the Cycle of the Omnissiah-and-Motive-Force, even when they do not count as Soul.
    --[X] To create artificial life that followers most but not all of the Five Points is Hubris, and to do so with all Five Points with the intent of using them as a tool is not just Hubris but also Cruelty and Slavery. That is to say, a Servitor while awkward fits essentially none of the points, but an attempt to create a Sapient, History-having, Affinity-possessing, Believing being who through a lack of Themselves can be controlled is simply an exercise in skirting the laws of Slavery.
    --[X] Is there Artificial Life that is Anathema to the Star Child? In this, Origen rejects strongly the claim that to use the framing of Anathema is to stigmatize Souls. Instead, in the manner of the Ultra-Radical Traditionalist Crusaders faction that has grown more influential with the continued Conquests of Liberty enacted by the Faith, he claims that there are also non-Artificfial Souls that can become Anathema by the Paths they walk and by their deeds, such as someone who warps themselves into a monster under Chaos, a Soul born in the Star Child's light that nonetheless becomes something Inhuman--and Origen of Droma III is more skeptical of Xenos than many, thus this phrase--something not merely to be led away from Evil, as even someone who has worshiped Chaos but recognized Their Folly can, but instead to be destroyed.
    --[X] So yes, there is Artificial Life that is Anathema to the Star Child, though it is still Ensouled, and must be Judged by its Deeds.
    --[X] Finally, any and all of this may be ignored by the provision of a Miracle, by which even those beyond redemption can become something better through the will of the Star Child. Or through which a Soul may be accidentally created.
    --[X] Addendum: Less orthodox is the addendum he added that claims that the Five's absolute knowledge of All Things mean that Souls must have always existed, and that therefore if a Machine is deemed to have a Soul it already existed and was granted by the Star Child. The Pre-History of souls is a controversial topic, as it calls into question the understanding of when, whether with Artificial or Natural Life, the Soul entered the body, which... well, let us say that there are at least a few verbal knife-fights following the ruling, and that by 278 M42, this final portion of the work is declared to be Not A Part of the Work, though it is not declared heresy, simply not canonized, leaving the debate to rage for centuries to come...
 
280.M42 - Not. Part. Of. The Book.
The debate on the matter of Artificial Souls, Artificial Life, and all the questions surrounding these topics came after nearly three years of intense theological debate and scholarly arguments within the Cradle to an end, the thousands of scholars, priests, monks, nuns, laypeople, watchers, soldiers, and more who had attended to either give their side of the long-running debates around this topic or to watch in the hopes that some entertainment in the forms of physical violence would ensue. Sadly for those hoping for the latter, the presence of Teel, Prophet of the Star Child, prevented such a thing, as nobody wanted to appear immature or take away any weight their arguments or side of the debate had, with fewer attempting anything underhanded to move him to intercede on their behalf, and less succeeding in gathering more than an unamused stare.

But, with the end of something, so too came the ending remarks of those wishing to lend their side one more push and shove, trying to get it accepted as canon instead of heresy or apostasy like the Particularist and Anti-Particularist Cults had been declared some time ago. (A sentence that would have spelled brutal repression and extermination within the Imperium but carried with it censure, suppression, and rehabilitative labor for those holding such views within the Candle Keepers.) One of those closing speakers was "Laurentius the Crowned," an adherent to the general line of thought penned by Priest Evreaux Origen of Droma III.

Laurentius was named such due to an industrial accident in their youth, slicing the top of their head off, yet not enough to do more than scrape the uppermost layers of their skull. The resultant wound was treated swiftly, but a transplant of skin to their head had the unintended side-effect of growing white hair once more, where most believed Laurentius would have to accept a bald spot. The problem was that they had blond hair, and the framing of the shock-white hair gave them the resemblance of a crown born atop their head, thus the moniker "The Crowned."

Regardless of such details, their closing argument was lengthy but held the weight of an emerging consensus within the hall...and a faint trace of parental approval from somewhere.

[Key elements of Priest Evreaux Origen's work include a lengthy discussion of what makes something artificial. It highlights intent as the key element of artifice. A regular person born of an iron womb who then grew up as normal was not artificial, but a clone grown as a slave-soldier was, with Servitors occupying a slightly awkward grey area. Instead, the Five-Fold Criterion determines whether the Star-Child Wills that an Artificial Life is Ensouled. These five points are...
1) History: in order to be a Life, a Life must be able to be lived.
2) Affinity: A Life is not a Life entirely divorced and divided from others, and thus, a creature that cannot communicate and cannot befriend others cannot be said to have a soul, no matter how intelligent.
3) Sapience: that is to say that, as beloved as they are, and as much as they may have souls, pet animals of the sort found on many worlds are not Ensouled in the same way as a person would be, though their lives should still be valued, for cruelty to those lesser than you is a sign of madness.
4) Capacity to Believe. A Soul may well reject the Star Child: Xenos that do so, as damned as they are, and as much as those who do so and attack the Star Child's followers are to be killed, are still People, are still Beings With Souls.
5) An Understanding of Themselves. "I think, therefore I am," as said by the Great Ancient Philosopher Plotos the Great, conqueror of an entire Terran Kingdom, or so the records we have indicate.]

[Then we must ask, can the Motive Force within a Machine create Artificial Life with a Soul? The answer is yes; see the points beyond. But are Machine Spirits Souls? In most cases, no, though there are always exceptions, through the above criteria. Instead, they are what might be called Transient souls, lowercase, such as that which might define animals. Within the boundaries and will of the Omnissiah, though, these Machine Spirits, when they die, are recycled and are thus to be Honored as part of the Cycle of the Omnissiah-and-Motive-Force, even when they do not count as Soul.]

[To create an Artificial Life that follows most but not all of the Five Points is Hubris, and to do so with all of the Five Points intending to use them as a tool is not just Hubris but also Cruelty and Slavery. That is to say, a Servitor, while awkward, fits essentially none of the points, but an attempt to create a Sapient, History-having, Affinity-possessing, Believing being who through a lack of
Themselves can be controlled is simply an exercise in skirting the laws of Slavery.]

[Is there Artificial Life that is Anathema to the Star Child? In this, Origen vigorously rejects the claim, as to use the framing of Anathema is to stigmatize Souls. Instead, in the manner of the Ultra-Radical Traditionalist Crusaders faction that has grown more influential with the continued Conquests of Liberty enacted by the Faith, he claims that there are also non-Artificfial Souls that can become Anathema by the Paths they walk and by their deeds, such as someone who warps themselves into a monster under Chaos, a Soul born in the Star Child's light that nonetheless becomes something Inhuman--and Origen of Droma III is more skeptical of Xenos than many, thus this phrase--something not merely to be led away from Evil, as even someone who has worshiped Chaos but recognized Their Folly can, but instead to be destroyed. So yes, there is Artificial Life that is Anathema to the Star Child, though it is still Ensouled and must be Judged by its Deeds.]

[Finally, any and all of this may be ignored by the provision of a Miracle, through which even those beyond redemption can become something better through the will of the Star Child or through which a Soul may be accidentally created.]


Naturally, no closing statement radically upset the balance of things, and after a swift week of short discussions, a prayer, and a sermon by Teeln, Prophet of the Star Child, it was decreed that Priest Evreaux Origen's work would be considered Official Canon, and the entire hall let out a collective breath of relief as stress and worry began to slough off of the winners and losers of this debate, the concern about grappling with false beliefs not yet settling in.

That is, until one woman from way in the back piped up, getting the attention of an aide and eventually a Loud Hailer to speak. "I, and some of my friends, have a question regarding the part about the pre-existence of souls," she said, and a measure of instinctual alarm began to raise its head within the hundreds of assembled faithful. "Because that has us asking if we could, theoretically, measure the moment something gains a Soul? And there are arguments about what this means about free will... are the Souls created always destined to be put into place? Can a soul remember the time before it was a person?"

There was a moment as everyone within the hall looked at her where one could hear a pin drop. A moment that Teeln, Prophet of the Star Child, used to send Bnuy a message that he wouldn't be able to attend her tonight as things had just gotten complicated.

And then some fool of a monk opened their mouth, and six years of vicious debate followed, only resolved by the unilateral decision to simply...remove that part from the book. If Origen of Droma III wants to have it put back, he can always resurrect himself. Until then...

Not. Part. Of. The Book.



AN: All sections in []-Brackets were written by @The Laurent. I claim no credit, doubly so for the last part of the narrative. (Except the Teeln/Bnuy part.)



You Have 3 [Three] Actions.
(6-Hour Moratorium)
[] [General] Construct Something
-[] Food Production III
-[] Civilian Infrastructure II
-[] Heavy Industry IV
-[] Void Industry VIII
-[] Medical Services III
-[] Military Industry IV

(Gain: A boost in production focusing on the chosen option.)

[] [General] Integrate Perfinda (1/2)
Two planets for the price of one!
(+2 to Food Production, -1 to Everything Else.)

[] [General] RANSACK THAT STATION!
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! RAAAAAAAA-
(Gain: You take a relaxed gander through the DAoT station.)

[] [General] A Ship Worth The Name (0/4)
The Kil'drabi Battlecolony is a marvel of ingenious and studious engineering, something that all who worked on it can be proud of and remember for their lives, handing down the pride and accomplishment for generations to be drawn upon for strength and hope in bleak days and bleaker moments. Yet, for the Candle Keepers, it is a waste of effort, a massive ship barely scratching upon what it could be, scarcely able to give what it was designed to do, and better off rebuilt at once. The Kil'drabi are heralds of what those who bend to the will of the Star Child could gain, and to let them fly in such a ship is an insult to Their Majesty. Rip out the sub-par and replace it all.
(Gain: The Kil'drabi Pact of Our New Path Battlecolony is retrofitted to adhere to the technological standards of the Candle Keepers.)

[] [Military] Raise Two Specialised [Light/Medium/Heavy] [Infantry/Mechanized] Unit - [Choose: Sabotage/Assault/Engineering/Demolition/Ogryn]/ Construct A Warp Ship - [Choose a Design]
With a chosen direction, your Military can now focus on giving the Units you will raise the proper training for the right job. Sabotage Units will focus on raiding and disrupting the enemy with lighting raids and plundering logistics; Assault Units will punch through the enemy in weak points and sow confusion with overwhelming firepower; Engineering Units will focus on creating fortifications and using turrets, mines, and barricades; Demolition Units will be comprised out of heavy weaponry squads with plenty of explosives, from mines to rockets; and Ogryn Units will be Ogryns armored in heavy metals and armed with shields and Beatin' Sticks led by men and women with spiffy hats that will not be disobeyed. Infantry Units consist mainly of boots on the ground, while Mechanized Units are equipped with vehicles that increase mobility and durability at the cost of logistics and all-terrain capability. Light Units are better for Low-Logistic scenarios, while Medium Units rely more on regular shipments yet strike a good balance between supply consumption and effectiveness. Ships are produced at these rates: Three Scouts, Two Destroyers, or One Frigate per decade. One Light Cruiser per two decades.
(Gain: Chosen Military Units/Ships.)

[][Military] Design A New Voidship Class - [Available: Destroyer, Frigate, Light Cruiser (0/2)]
From what we can tell, thanks to our history, what information we have available, and what the Kil'drabi and the Governor of Droma III tell us, the difference between a prosperous interstellar polity and one naught but ash is the strength of their navy. At the moment, we have the beginning of a nascent Void Fleet, yet purely defending against our enemies is a great way to get ground down into dust over time; we need to be able to bring the fight to them.
(Gain: A newly designed and built Ship Class.)

[] [Military] Begin Military Operations (Assign Unit/s) (Choose Location/s) (Designate Objective/s)
-[] (1/1) Cradle Medium Engineering Unit
-[] (1/1) Cradle Medium Assault Unit
-[] (6/6) Droman Coral Medium Assault Unit
-[] (2/2) Droman Tideswarm Heavy Demolition Unit
-[] (2/2) Corcrat Heavy Mechanized Assault Unit
-[] (1/1) Budget Arms Light Tank Unit
-[] (2/2) Lamenters Space Marine Squad
-[] (4/4) Lamenters Space Marine Scout Platoon
-[] (4/7) Celestial Choirs
-[] Task Fleet Alpha
(6x Aries-Class Corvettes, 1x Lupus-Class Torpedo Destroyer, 1x Crux-Class Missile Frigate, 1x Sagittarius-Class Artillery Frigate, 1x Libra-class Light Carrier, 1x Taurus-Class Troopship (0/4 Capacity))
-[] Scout Fleet Alpha
(4x Circinus-Class Scout Sloop)

-[] Kil'drabi Auxiliary Fleet
(1x Pact of Our New Path Battlecolony)
-[-] Lamenters Chapter Fleet
(3x Risen Dirge-Class Boarding Ships (0/3 Capacity - Space Marines Only))

There is war to be had and battle to be made. Send troops to resolve issues and squash opposition to the Star Child and Humanity and all Their Protectorates. Or send ships to scout neighboring systems to understand what is happening there.
(Gain: Military dispatched to put down opposition violently. Scouts are dispatched to look at other systems.
Scouting Range: 1 System from Claimed Systems. Scouting Efficiency: ~33.3%
Note: For use outside your territory or in support of forces specified within another Action.)

[] [Psykana] Conduct a Melody (Choose one below.) (0.8/1 - Auto Complete)
The Celestial Choir has been given the means; with time, they shall conduct their songs. They will listen to the Warp and filter out the false whispers from the slumbering guidance of the Star Child. In halting prayer and stumbling humming, the truth will be stripped until nothing but it remains in the hands of those who shall make it anew into power to be wielded by the Choirs to come.
(Secret: Slumber, Silence, Perception, and Grounding.
Star Child: Hope, Compassion, Humanity II, Song, Mercy, Creativity, Health, Unity, Innovation, Machinery, Logic, Progress, Protection II, Justice, Wisdom, The Sun II, The Home, Death, Ruthlessness, Brutality, and Fire II.
Kil'drabi: Paths, The Void, Struggle, Community, and Family.
Gain: A Melody newly Conducted.)

[] [Psykana] Sing a Song (Choose at least Three below.)
Mere Melodies are not the end of the journey, nor should they be the start. They are the middle, from which all things shall grow and wither.
(Available: Protection I, Fire I, The Sun I, Humanity I.
Gain: A Song.
Sung: Dirge for the Innocent.)

[] [Faith] Monuments for Martyrs, Graves for the Forgotten
The Candle Keepers have been fighting the good fight for nearly 250 years, a fourth of a millennium. In this time, thousands have perished to give people hope, security, and a better life and pave the way for those who come after to stride further and with growing security and pride into the great unknown and black abyss shrinking before the light of the Star Child. Within those 250 years, we have fought against a constant barrage of Orks, worshippers of Chaos, and those who tried to turn traitors to their fellow people, with the first of many Xeno Protectorates established, and its people turned into faithful worshippers and adherents to the Droman Creed. Yet, though now temples ring with the sounds of bells and the hymns of choirs signing united, and our systems teem with the faithful eager to build a better future against the coming of the dark, many had to give their lives to reach this point...and many more will follow. Do these people, who are now forever lost to the soil of worlds and the greedy grasp of the void, deserve to be forgotten? Does their memory not deserve to be honored and remembered? They do, and though some bodies shall never be recovered, their names deserve to be carved for eternity. The only question then arises...where should they be carved into? And how grand would these monuments be if we made multiple instead of one?
(Gain: The Candle Keepers discuss how to honor the fallen and the forgotten. Variable Action Cost.)

[] [Faith] Brotherhoods, Sisterhoods, Siblinghoods, And Orders of Faith
It is undeniable that many marching within our military are those most dedicated to spreading the light of the Star Child. Yet, questions have arisen from those seeking to contribute to the liberation of the galaxy, who either failed to enter the military by being too dedicated to the mission and failing to see the objectives that need to be taken or by failing some other criteria. Some of those questions are if it would not be beneficial if some manner of Faith Militant organization or organizations could be created, or allowed to be created, with others asking for a formal creation of Faith Orders to bolster the ranks of the soldiery with those utterly dedicated to the mission, lending strength, surety, and a bulwark against the horrors of the galaxy to all within.
(Gain: Nail down the Faith Militant aspects of the Cult of the Star Child.)

[] [Faith] Technology Given Or Earned
Technology is the most fundamental aspect of creation in the name of the Omnissiah, a motion of worship and change that defies the base existence of nature by pulling everything back until only the cosmic machine remains. Technology is holy; it is worship and an act of pure faith. Yet, what of technology made by the Xenos? We know they will bend to the Star Child and become more than they thought they'd be in Their service, but what of their, and our, technology? Will we make use of what machines they use, and will we allow them to make use of ours? Or will lines be drawn never to be crossed upon pain of punishment? Maybe we will dictate tests and demand proof to give what we have gained in freedom and worship.
(Gain: Nail down the Xeno Uplift-doctrine aspects of the Cult of the Star Child.)

[] [Chapter] A Suit Worthy Of The Name (0.5/5)
With the business on Drixxus and Ixxus done, Chapter Master Chyron is now convinced that, with the possibility of encountering Chaos Marines as high as ever, the main priority of the Lamenters should be the construction of Space Marine Armor. Luckily, Cradle Station has several blueprints, but Chyron is reluctant to use them due to the connotations the Crusade-era designs carry. Instead, he will use the Chapter and Candle Keepers' technical expertise to build a new pattern of Power Armor untainted by history.
(Gain: The Lamenters gain actual Space Marine-rated Power Armor.)

[] [Other] Take Care Of [Future Or Current Problems]
(Write-In the problem being addressed.)
 
Okay, let's figure this out.

[ ] Plan: ASCEND
-[ ] [General] Integrate Perfinda (1/2)
-[ ] [General] RANSACK THAT STATION!
-[ ] [General] Construct Something
--[ ] Food Production III


Food goes up to 5, which unlocks whatever it's gating, we get the Station online--which we know gives us 3 free Infrastructure actions (Because of the earlier clerical actions), which we can either use pushing Heavy Industry or Military Industry to 5, or getting Civilian Infrastructure within striking range of 5 (Which gates Colonization, which we very much need).

I have a Theory that Food 5 unlocks System Specialization. Which would very, very much help our long term build up.

Now, that being said, our improved Scouting does reveal some useful information. Specifically, that we're Not actually matched or exceeded by our neighbors except for Itani, which is nice to know, we can't really push into Ork territory until we have our Colonizing up and running though, since we need to secure any ground we seize. End of Line is also moderately scary, but I presume a lot of its strength is based on its formidable in-system defenses as well, rather than power projection.

EDIT: Hey @HeroCooky , since we got spoiled, can we pro-actively put the vote for the Infrastructure boosts? Or will we get something different now?

SON OF EDIT: Also, we're going to get a free Psykana this turn coming up too. I wonder if it'll be Machinery in the recent context? Unless we get to pick what the free Psykana is anyway.
 
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[X] Plan: Get our Tech
- [X] [General] Integrate Perfinda (1/2)
- [X] [General] RANSACK THAT STATION!
- [X] [Faith] Technology Given Or Earned
 
I definitely would rather get Civilian Infrastructure within spitting distance. Or at least closer to the finish line, because otherwise it's going to regress to Civilian Nulla, and that would kinda suck.
 


Oh hey also, either the Orks just suddenly all killed themselves, a few Scouts are enough to gain equality... or, it turns out that the information we have was not reliable and was overstating how dangerous the Orks were. Not that they're not dangerous, to be clear, but our Scouts now seem to be saying that there's no mobile, inter-system enemy formation that's larger than all of our mobile, inter-system ships.

Now, we absolutely do need to be ready to go on the attack and start building in the next turn or two, because the Orks aren't going to be still... but that's good news.
 
Alternative Idea:

[] Plan: The Two Fours
-[ ] [General] Integrate Perfinda (1/2)
-[ ] [General] RANSACK THAT STATION!
-[ ] [General] Construct Something
--[ ] Civilian Infrastructure II


Combined with Civ Infrastructure x3 for the Ransack, this would put us at Food IV and Civilian Infrastructure IV, therefore just a single action each away from getting to V's in them.
 
Alternative Idea:

[] Plan: The Two Fours
-[ ] [General] Integrate Perfinda (1/2)
-[ ] [General] RANSACK THAT STATION!
-[ ] [General] Construct Something
--[ ] Civilian Infrastructure II


Combined with Civ Infrastructure x3 for the Ransack, this would put us at Food IV and Civilian Infrastructure IV, therefore just a single action each away from getting to V's in them.

Also tempting, yes, we'd be able to push two over next turn as a result and Really start cooking, while having enough flex to continue our build-up.
 
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