Burning Baron
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Mien Gott, you're right. And now, I can't unsee that.
Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi
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vicky_molokh
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A friend of mine observed that SW is the kind of setting that lends itself to a cyclic history, and therefore the Old Republic, the Galactic Republic, and the New Republic and their adventures and troubles look like they're going along the same cycles.
Mechasaurian
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The what? Those things never happened. I pity you for the terrible alternate reality you live in.
Would the prompt and unexpected destruction of Washington D.C. and everyone in it lead to the complete collapse of the United States?
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How the plot is received will obviously come down to execution, so at this point vague spoilers aren't particularly bothersome to me.
I will say that, if true, the above better guarantee at least one huge, sustained, and compelling fleet action, on screen and in space. I'm talking capital on capital violence, power yields and Torpedo Spheres and Super Star Destroyers, massed bombing runs and daring fighter raids, the works.
Why?
Edit:Jakku happened off screen, Endor was largely about the fighters and the death star, Coruscant was mostly the buzz droid power hour, and Scarif was alright but a bit limp because the first two Star Destroyers were very badly commanded (that being said, fuck year anonymous Hammerhead).
And that's all well and good, but it does not scratch The Itch. I don't mind if it happens in Episode 9, I don't mind if it happens right at the end of the film, I don't even mind if I have to watch it in 3D, but mama needs some heavy metal to explode with biggatons of force.
I have been denied for too long!
Give me my giant explosions, Kathleen Kennedy!
I will say that, if true, the above better guarantee at least one huge, sustained, and compelling fleet action, on screen and in space. I'm talking capital on capital violence, power yields and Torpedo Spheres and Super Star Destroyers, massed bombing runs and daring fighter raids, the works.
Why?
Edit:Jakku happened off screen, Endor was largely about the fighters and the death star, Coruscant was mostly the buzz droid power hour, and Scarif was alright but a bit limp because the first two Star Destroyers were very badly commanded (that being said, fuck year anonymous Hammerhead).
And that's all well and good, but it does not scratch The Itch. I don't mind if it happens in Episode 9, I don't mind if it happens right at the end of the film, I don't even mind if I have to watch it in 3D, but mama needs some heavy metal to explode with biggatons of force.
I have been denied for too long!
Give me my giant explosions, Kathleen Kennedy!
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Vyslanté
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Indeed. I was so frustrated by R1 not giving us capital-on-capital action !How the plot is received will obviously come down to execution, so at this point vague spoilers aren't particularly bothersome to me.
I will say that, if true, the above better guarantee at least one huge, sustained, and compelling fleet action, on screen and in space. I'm talking capital on capital violence, power yields and Torpedo Spheres and Super Star Destroyers, massed bombing runs and daring fighter raids, the works.
Why?
Endor was largely about the fighters and the death star, Coruscant was mostly the buzz droid power hour, and Scarif was alright but a bit limp because the first two Star Destroyers were very badly commanded (that being said, fuck year anonymous Hammerhead).
And that's all well and good, but it does not scratch The Itch. I don't mind if it happens in Episode 9, I don't mind if it happens right at the end of the film, I don't even mind if I have to watch it in 3D, but mama needs some heavy metal to explode with biggatons of force.
I have been denied for too long!
Give me my giant explosions, Kathleen Kennedy!
Burning Baron
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No, but there would be chaos if every national capital was destroyed. That's about the closest approximation.
Mechasaurian
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It doesn't merely say "complete chaos." It says that the New Republic is gone.
"The Galaxy is in complete disarray." Individual worlds are forced to choose between fighting or submitting to the First Order. The FO won't quite have the galaxy handed to them on a platter, but they no longer have to face off against a centralized authority.
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The whole scenario isn't entirely implausible. You could say that the New Republic was holding some sort of celebration or event which meant that most of their leadership was on their capitol world when it got destroyed. Now of course this would be convenient as all hell, especially given the fact that the FO fired Starkiller on that day. Also, apparently the NR doesn't have a line of succession or contingency plans in place.
If this article is true, then the Emperor must be rolling in his damn grave.
If this article is true, then the Emperor must be rolling in his damn grave.
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Honestly, screw that. Also, screw that happening in a matter of decades. The Republic lasted for literally thousands of years. Hitting the reset button apparently within decades of the New Republic rising is stupid. It also just makes things less realistic.
Okay, well makes it likely less realistic. I mean, one assumes that at the end of the new Trilogy the good guys will win because of course they will.
...at which point the galaxy has been under four different major wars/regime changes in a matter of under a century, each of which involved massive death on an unprecedented scale.
Ending it with, "And then everyone lived happily ever after" isn't something I'd really buy by that point. That's the kind of thing that shatters a galaxy, and it makes it impossible to actually believe that something won't just randomly go wrong five minutes after the credits roll and then the Second First New Old Order will conquer the galaxy using evil laser beams or something.
It's all of the problems (vis a via democracy and government) with the old EU, only worse and thrown up on screen.
...if it's true.
Hopefully not?
AKuz
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The what? Those things never happened. I pity you for the terrible alternate reality you live in.
Would the prompt and unexpected destruction of Washington D.C. and everyone in it lead to the complete collapse of the United States?
Just DC? No.
They lliterally have put a lot of thought into preventing that during the Cold War. The US wouldn't totally cease to exsist; there are mechanisms in place for continuing of government in place for if everything with more than five digits of population dies.
Mechasaurian
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That was a rhetorical question. I know that even without the crazy prepared nature of the states, the sudden loss of the capital city wouldn't destroy any half developed nation. And, as you pointed out, the New Republic put a lot of effort into changing their capital planet frequently, so by all rights it should be relatively decentralized and resilient to decapitation.
Zap Rowsdower
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I think the issue is less loss of "personnel and infrastructure" and more loss of "trust in the central governmental body". A system can be as resilient as you want in theory, it'll still fail if people have no confidence or trust in it.
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Well, try to look at it from this perspective:
The New Republic doesn't have the weight of millenia of tradition behind it, and was founded after the collapse of the Galactic Empire. Presumably this was quite a messy transition, even though it was all offscreen.
It's very possible it was a shaky compact held together by duct tape, nostalgia, and the efforts of a few, highly charismatic people. Who got vaporised because they were on the capital, so now all the political leaders with the chops to keep things from falling apart are dead.
This is like if you decapitated the government of the United States in the 1790s, as opposed to the present day government.
Also? The New Republic fucking dropped the ball by leaving the First Order to their own devices, since it allowed the First Order construct a weapon more terrifying than the Death Star in complete secrecy.
Who the fuck is going to think that the New Republic is capable of protecting them effectively, after this? They screwed up big time. Meanwhile Starkiller Base was a terrifying demonstration of the First Order's capabilities, even if it was destroyed.
Better to throw in with them than the incompetent fools who couldn't even protect their own damn capital. People aren't going to sign up with the NR just because it claims the mantle of the Old Republic. There have to be actual benefits to membership or people are naturally going to ditch them.
The New Republic doesn't have the weight of millenia of tradition behind it, and was founded after the collapse of the Galactic Empire. Presumably this was quite a messy transition, even though it was all offscreen.
It's very possible it was a shaky compact held together by duct tape, nostalgia, and the efforts of a few, highly charismatic people. Who got vaporised because they were on the capital, so now all the political leaders with the chops to keep things from falling apart are dead.
This is like if you decapitated the government of the United States in the 1790s, as opposed to the present day government.
Also? The New Republic fucking dropped the ball by leaving the First Order to their own devices, since it allowed the First Order construct a weapon more terrifying than the Death Star in complete secrecy.
Who the fuck is going to think that the New Republic is capable of protecting them effectively, after this? They screwed up big time. Meanwhile Starkiller Base was a terrifying demonstration of the First Order's capabilities, even if it was destroyed.
Better to throw in with them than the incompetent fools who couldn't even protect their own damn capital. People aren't going to sign up with the NR just because it claims the mantle of the Old Republic. There have to be actual benefits to membership or people are naturally going to ditch them.
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So, what you say is "well of course Republic dies a stupid death it's a stupid democracy" and what you actually mean is "well of course democracy dies with a fart we can't show a working democracy in Star Wars movies".
And of course we have to undo the accomplishments of other heroes - how else do we make our heroes badass?
And of course we have to undo the accomplishments of other heroes - how else do we make our heroes badass?
Mechasaurian
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If we're going to go there, the real life inspiration for the Empire didn't get into power by blowing up Berlin. They took over from within.
You know, like Palpatine.
Unless you're saying that destroying London would lead to complete disintegration of Great Britain and Allies' war initiative/confusing this for the prequel trilogy thread, this argument is full of shit and so are you.
Jace911
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You misunderstand. I'm referencing something a bit more, uh, recent.
can u maybe chill the fuck out bro
I never said it was a perfect blueprint, I was making a goddamn joke at the uncomfortable parallels to my actual fucking life right now.
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Which has nothing to do with intergalactic government being collapsed by a single decapitation strike, so it's you doing the misunderstanding.
Prove I'm wrong or admit you are. Leave complaining about tone to the demagogues.
Which has nothing to do with intergalactic government being collapsed by a single decapitation strike.
Well, unless Trump just nuked Brussels and I'm the last to find out.
Jace911
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Yeah silly me for watching the institutions I took for granted my entire adult life suddenly disappearing before my eyes and empathizing with make believe movie characters whose government was obliterated by a giant space laser.
I'm not really interested in entertaining whatever bug crawled up your ass, so I don't think I'll do either.
Burning Baron
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How about we all just step back and calm down.
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I very much concur. Cool off or take an extended holiday on the staff's dime.
This comparison is utterly devoid of logic. Your states are not declaring independence, your law enforcement is still active, your Constitution is still enforced and you are not about to be invaded by space Nazis. Trump's America has nothing to do with New Republic's destruction, and your attempts to connect them are bullcrap based on feelz instead of realz. I can empathize with your loss of faith in democratic institutions, but unless you have a convincing argument to make about New Republic sharing similarities with modern USA politics, please stop making up shit and go vent somewhere else.
I mean, this is the very dialogue we're having:
«Come on, are they really saying Galactic Republic was utterly destroyed by having its capital nuked? That doesn't make any se-»
«Well duh. If Trump became our president anything's possible!»
«Excuse me?»
«FASCISM M8»
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Jace911
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You are getting way too hung up on this my dude. It was an offhand joke about parallels, not a declaration of prophecy. Let it go.