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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

On The Force Awakens, it's not a flaw that the movie was like ANH. It was a very much intended feature. They had to win back audience trust after the bad taste the prequels left. So they followed the basic plot outline of the very first movie to bring us all back in. And I think it worked. I don't like it quite as much as the original trilogy, but I still found it quite enjoyable. And with that done, they can move onto more risky movies like Rogue One.

As for this film, the title most likely refers to Luke, as he is pretty firmly established as the last Jedi, with all his students being killed by his nephew. It could mean Rey, but she's a long way from being a Jedi, unless she started training immediately after the credits rolled and hasn't stopped.

Also, I have to wonder, are Rey and Kylo Ren siblings or cousins? I'm almost certain it's the latter. Though it could be the former, if Leia and Han just believed their daughter dead for some reason. No way she's not a Skywalker, though.
 
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I was thinking,
Rey is most likely going to lose quite a bit of her body (in the sense that Snoke or Kylo Ren literally cut her to bits a la Revenge of the Sith), so if Luke Dies, she gets put in a suit resembling this:

Or if you wanted to go full nightmare fuel...
Essentially, a Darth Vader Expy becomes the last hope for the Galaxy. Ironic, huh?
 
I'm just...disappointed that the sequel trilogy decided to reset everything back to zero. The title confirms beyond any lingering doubt that things are exactly as they were in the original trilogy: the only Jedi left is a reclusive old hermit and his young, inexperienced student. Effectively, much of what Luke was fighting for has been erased.

This is one respect in which I wish the sequels would take a page from the book of the prequels: for all their faults, they were good at showing us a living, breathing Jedi order, warts, goodness, and all. Destroying Luke's accomplishments off screen before TFA even began just feels like a cheap cop out.
 
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The Spanish one is 'Los Ultimos Jedi' which is similarly plural, too...
 
I was disappointment by TFA, and this movie would probably just turns up to be mediocre, but dammit I would still watch it.
 
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The more I think about it the angrier I get

Everything is pointless. The entire OT was a pointless waste of time In universe. A few decades later and the Galaxy is right back where it was because the people in charge of this project are too scared to move on.

I /liked/ Rogue One. Really liked it.But somehow I think where it was allowed to go it's own way the main line movies are doomed to trundle down the OT's tracks over and over again.

This is as bad as the middle Legends years which were full of "Oh those darn Empire boys are at it again! To the forcemobile Luke!" Which did have the bonus of not rendering everything done in the Original trilogy pointless. The galaxy actually seems like it might be worse than if Palpatine won at Endor (and the Empire was not a good thing! But endless chaos and conflict between fanatics of various stripes seems worse)

I think the main thing here is that this stems from the utter unwillingness of the people in charge of the new trilogy to move past the OT and realise the scale of the Star Wars galaxy. Once again this makes more sense if the GFFA was actually, like, the just the "Gffa system" or something.

I'm only going to go watch this if someone tells me that Poe X Finn is canon and they do teh kissing.
 
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Mechasaurian said:
So...
We now know what exactly the consequences of the First Order's decapitation strike.

It somehow completely collapsed. Fucking seriously?

I think I'll watch it for the characters. Still, the more I hear about the new setting, the more I find myself pining for the Legends continuity.
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*Kylar breaks out the Vong, Traviss Mandalorians, and Jacen Solo.*

Alright, here you go!

More seriously, I have no idea how trustworthy this is, or how much context we lack. It's also one of the least spoilery things ever.

I'll wait and see as to what more official interviews are like before casting judgement- for all we know this is background stuff while Luke And Rey work out their personal issues.

...what, people keep saying this is a carbon copy of the OT!
 
Well, when you think about it. It makes sense that the Republic would crumble. Not only was their government decapitated, the surrounding system got Alderaan'd. So, I would be more surprised if the Republic had recovered from that. So, yes, the OT is getting retreaded, but it follows a logical chain of events, at least. Better than the writers saying 'Millions died, but everything's fine.'
Just in case.
 
I'm not sure why people are saying this is a retread of the OT.
The Original trilogy was characterized as a small, outmanned, outgunned group of rebels fighting against an overwhelmingly powerful empire. That talked about the First Order having lost as much as it gained by losing the advantages of secrecy and surprise (not the description of an overwhelming force) and of the whole galaxy falling in on one side or another - that is, the republic is gone, but that's just the political organization uniting the planets. The people and the military power are still there, and are starting to unify in a military alliance even if the legislative body for said alliance is no more. Meaning this is shaping up to be full prequel-style battle between peer powers, not an OT clone.

Really, "the senate and the Republic are gone but everybody is teaming up against the First Order anyway" sounds less like they're pushing it in the direction of the OT and more that they want to avoid the prequel trilogy trap of obsessing over politics by eliminating the source of said politics so the heroes can be more free to act and still have a full-scale peer-to-opponent army behind them.
 
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Burning Baron said:
Well, when you think about it. It makes sense that the Republic would crumble. Not only was their government decapitated, the surrounding system got Alderaan'd. So, I would be more surprised if the Republic had recovered from that. So, yes, the OT is getting retreaded, but it follows a logical chain of events, at least. Better than the writers saying 'Millions died, but everything's fine.'
Just in case.
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The New Republic literally has a mechanism for moving capitals. They supposedly did it on a regular basis. If they were that afraid of centralization and yet literally everything related to governance and the military was in one system that you didn't even give enough of a shit about to make their permanent capital... this makes even less sense. Apparently the New Republic was a useless bit of paper held together with a bit of cellophane tape. And didn't have secondary fleets. Or other member worlds that gave a shit about the project. Right now it looks like the Rebels tore down the Empire and went "Well good enough" and decided not to actually put the Republic back together again. But just resolved to hang a sheet over one system with "Reepupblick Kapeetall" written on it and hoped that that would solve everything forever.
 
Zap Rowsdower said:
I'm not sure why people are saying this is a retread of the OT.
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Because they both have a small group of insurrectionists fighting someone with arbitrarily huge superweapons, and far better resources. Then, the MC, a Force user on a desert planet with little to their name meet Han Solo, go on a wacky adventure, then meet the Rebels, blow up the Big Bad Technology, and fight the bad guy who wears a helmet.
 
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Because they both have a small group of insurrectionists fighting someone with arbitrarily huge superweapons, and far better resources. Then, the MC, a Force user on a desert planet with little to their name meet Han Solo, go on a wacky adventure, then meet the Rebels, blow up the Big Bad Technology, and fight the bad guy who wears a helmet.
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Yes, that was Force Awakens. But we're talking about The Last Jedi, and how the spoilers just given relate to that accusation.
 
Zap Rowsdower said:
Yes, that was Force Awakens. But we're talking about The Last Jedi, and how the spoilers just given relate to that accusation.
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And now the Rebels, who have blown up the arbitrarily huge superweapon, are now on the run. And will have to fight, giving us a small peek into the galaxy at large. And the Force character is going to be training with an older master. There's also a presumably neutral planet involved, whose sole purpose is apparently to make money.

At least there's one thing we can always count on. It's easy to hate the Space Nazis.
 
Zap Rowsdower said:
I'm not sure why people are saying this is a retread of the OT.
The Original trilogy was characterized as a small, outmanned, outgunned group of rebels fighting against an overwhelmingly powerful empire. That talked about the First Order having lost as much as it gained by losing the advantages of secrecy and surprise (not the description of an overwhelming force) and of the whole galaxy falling in on one side or another - that is, the republic is gone, but that's just the political organization uniting the planets. The people and the military power are still there, and are starting to unify in a military alliance even if the legislative body for said alliance is no more. Meaning this is shaping up to be full prequel-style battle between peer powers, not an OT clone.

Really, "the senate and the Republic are gone but everybody is teaming up against the First Order anyway" sounds less like they're pushing it in the direction of the OT and more that they want to avoid the prequel trilogy trap of obsessing over politics by eliminating the source of said politics so the heroes can be more free to act and still have a full-scale peer-to-opponent army behind them.
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Yes. You're right. When put that way it doesn't read as Star Wars in any way. Instead it's Baen-style Mil sci-fi.

Complete with useless politicians that ignore the threat up until it kills them so the hard nosed military people can take over and give the simultaneously weak yet strong enemy a good what-foring. All we need now is a bit of screeching about LIEBRALS and it's the perfect stealth Kratman movie.
 
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