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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

VolantRedX said:
I mean if you're talking about Holdo it seems like FTL suicide attacks aren't really accepted tactics in the Galaxy Far Far Away.
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And yet he recognised it as happening before it did, so obviously it was at least known to some degree as possible.
Hux just had the benefit of a window to the moment the torpedo entered the shaft so to speak.

Edit: not trying to argue Tarkin is some kinda good strategist, cause the Tarkin doctrine is a load of shit, just that he can do more than just exist only to be the butt of bad jokes (R1 Tarkin even moreso), which is all Hux has managed to do.
 
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VolantRedX said:
I think the issue here is that you're applying DBZ like thinking to the situation. Power as a Jedi or a Sith isn't based just in training or in force powers picked up from a book. It's all about spirituality and faith. Rey and Kylo are both becoming increasingly attuned to their chosen philosophy. Kylo's "fuck it all, burn in down" mindset is perfect for a Dark Sider to use. That sort of hate and anger would feed into his pain and fill him with power. In the end he'll lose, because the light side is more powerful than the dark side. That's been established since ESB, but like it doesn't matter how many kata's Rey learns. That's not how she'll win.
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It's not DBZ thinking, it's just taking the most basic facts and laying them out. Snoke says Rey will grow stronger as Kylo does, because the light rises to meet the dark. Evidence towards that is the struggle over the lightsaber in the throne room, where she's shown to have become his equal in brute power. So, if they're equal in sheer spiritual strength, how can the stalemate be broken? Well, we have saber skills, which will eventually end up in Rey's favour because she's learning and he actively refuses to. Then there's actual Force techniques, which again, she's going to learn and he isn't because kill the past. Internal cultivation (aka wisdom and composure) is already in her favour, especially considering how volatile he already is without juicing on the Dark Side even further.

Sure, as you said, he can feed on his pain and rage, but how long will that keep him afloat when every other inherent advantage is lost because of his chosen philosophy? All he can do is send warm bodies her way until she's tired out to the point where he stands a chance.

VolantRedX said:
I'd love to have her show up when Kylo and Hux are bickering like 8 year olds and just fucking humbling them.

Edit: If she does show up who do you think should play her? I say Angela Bassett. She has the sort of "don't fuck with me" demeanor and is the right age for the character.
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Absolutely yes. Disney better pay her well, I want to see her fully motivated for that role.
 
Shinji117 said:
Hux didn't keep moving his task force towards his objective (the resistance fleet) when fighters (or rather, fighter) flew up? Or even when the fighter moved to attack his fleetkiller ship.

That's a pretty big one.

At the very least Tarkin kept his head in the game, while one trolling phone call has Hux forget what he's doing and just stand around like a moron.
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Never expect the Empire or any of it's successors to have fighters out before a rebel attack, or even when they are attacking.

I don't think the Empire has ever even once had a Combat Space Patrol up. I remember watching Rebels and noting, with increasing incredulity, that one out of every two episodes would end with the heroes dead in a burning wreck if only the Empire actually, you know, decided to guard their shit.

Even when the Death Star is under attack they're like "We have literally bajillions of TIEs, let's launch approximately three"

Watching TLJ, literally my first thought during that scene was "OMG they don't have a CSP up. HAHAHAHAHA, they're just like the Empire, this is going to bite them in ass."
 
Violation of Rule 3: Be Civil, and ignorance of Moderator's Mod Boxes
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    • violation of rule 3, ignorance of moderator thread policy


    So @Ant221 made a post yesterday at 2:50 AM which didn't show his opinion, but it appears the thread readers and commenters generally interpreted it as if he was actually arguing something against the movie, and his dislike of it. That notwithstanding, rather than do the mature thing, it was decided that hitting the Pinata known as 'Ant's opinion on the movie' was the approved way of going at it. Even though I made two Modposts about trying to keep the passive-aggressiveness down, the second even had a nice THREAD POLICY written atop it. Even though I made it clear, it appears they weren't read, or listened to.

    And here's the ironic thing. In playing 'Hit the Pinata' you've pretty much settled yourself on a Rule 3 Violation. So, the following users are receiving 25 points and a 3 day threadban from this thread, and the next time this happen, I'll see to it to make the threadbans longer still. You may not approve of an user's opinion. You may not like an user's opinion. You may point out how an opinion is wrong.

    You can not ridicule a different opinion from yours. You can not harass a user through repeatedly remarks on his intelligence, or whether or not he's real or special in the grace of God.

    VolantRedX said:
    Pick your poison.
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    Claudette Savagely said:
    I mean, dear chap, that when I look at what you post I am reminded of the infinite variety of the creator's works.
    Inspires a real sense of gratitude about the grace of God and where it alights.
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    comradepitrovsky said:
    Ant.
    Grow up.
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    AKuz said:
    To be fair, he was out until he decided to bust in and go "HEY GUISE, HAVE YOU SEEN THIS HOT NEW NAZI PROPAGANDA? IT LOOSELY ALIGNS WITH MY PERSONAL BUGBEAR"
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    And now, with that being said.

    @Ant221 : You either watch the movie, or you don't. If you have not, why are you here? As much as the users above are in the wrong, you aren't in the clear either. As such, I'm also threadbanning you from this thread until you watch the film. Once you have, you can send me a PM and I'll un-threadban you.

    To the rest of the thread:

    Keep it civil. Keep it clean.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    • Shinji117 said:
    Hux didn't keep moving his task force towards his objective (the resistance fleet) when fighters (or rather, fighter) flew up? Or even when the fighter moved to attack his fleetkiller ship.

    That's a pretty big one.

    At the very least Tarkin kept his head in the game, while one trolling phone call has Hux forget what he's doing and just stand around like a moron.
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    He did keep moving his task force up, he just wasn't able to match speed.
     
    Despite being led by two of the most incompetent buffoons in the Galaxy, the FO carries a distinct advantage in that its capital ship isn't a decades-old, riced-up freighter and its army consists of more than two dozen people. The FO is slowly collapsing in on itself but it has the Resistance up against the wall. I'd say our heroes have their work cut out for them.

    The question now is, what kind of hail Mary maneuver will the Resistance end up making to win the day? Personally, I hope they inspire a stormtrooper insurrection. It would give Finn the crowning moment he deserves, and would require very little ass-pulling. Plus it fits with the theme of winning by "not killing the people we hate".

    Rey and Kylo can do their own Force thing on the side, but we really need a more conclusive solution than "kill the supreme leader". Because we already did that.
     
    Well, MatPat had went out and taken some of the blame at the audience ratings:

    (basically, due to human psychology, the theories simply screwed over any real chance that the audience would actually like the movie in general)
     
    Aaron Fox said:
    Well, MatPat had went out and taken some of the blame at the audience ratings:

    (basically, due to human psychology, the theories simply screwed over any real chance that the audience would actually like the movie in general)
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    Sorry, I kind of agree with the sentiment. Star Wars is way dumber than it has to be.
     
    Janus said:
    Oh no, I agree, this entire franchise, although fun, and likeable, even loveable, is stupid.
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    The sentiment you're looking for isn't stupid. It's a. Good. b. Doesn't care about nitpicky nerd bullshit, which is another way of saying that it's good.

    The geek complaints of "how dare this movie have fun reaction shots or little joks for little kids" and "why isn't this fictional movie laid out in a way that I can keep track of in a spreadsheet" isn't intelligence, it's pedantry, humorlessness, inability to think for themselves and a total lack of understanding of storytelling pretending to be intelligence.

    Like, these punk-ass YouTube hot takes bug the shit out of me and I feel like going over that one video you just posted in particular. But for now I agree 100% with SoulBrotha's take on youtube fake analysis culture.
     
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    Reveen said:
    The sentiment you're looking for isn't stupid. It's a. Good. b. Doesn't care about nitpicky nerd bullshit, which is another way of saying that it's good.

    The geek complaints of "how dare this movie have fun reaction shots or little joks for little kids" and "why isn't this fictional movie laid out in a way that I can keep track of in a spreadsheet" isn't intelligence, it's pedantry, humorlessness, and a total lack of understanding of storytelling pretending to be intelligence.

    Like, these punk-ass YouTube hot takes bug the shit out of me and I feel like going over that one video you just posted in particular. For now I agree 100% with SoulBrotha's take on youtube fake analysis culture.
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    The Light Side and Dark Side not being fleshed out after thirty five or so years after being introduced isn't pedantry. Sure, "Good vs Evil" worked for the first ten, or twenty years of the franchise, until they introduced Grey Jedi, Luke becoming evil on Tuesdays, and random Sith being Light Sith and there being Good Sith. So what is The Force? Is there a good side and a bad side, or is it just The Force?

    Midichlorians not being explainable is kind of okay, except for the fact that The Force was originally supposed to be a mystical energy field that existed in all things, so what is it? Is it a bunch of microscopic organisms or is it an energy field like it was supposed to be? Is Darth Vader the Chosen One like everyone thought or was it Luke?

    Why was Darth Vader's turn to the Dark Side so stupid? (IMHO) Did Darth Vader really kill Padme or was it just a lame plot device like in a fairy tale? If Palpatine was really creaming Yoda so hard, and Yoda "Didn't hold a candle" to him, why was Palpatine straining so much in their duel to win?

    A lot of these problems would be solved if the issue of Star Wars canon could be resolved.
     
    To quote a favorite youtuber of mine,
    "Star Wars is an above average space fantasy series"
    People just need to chill out.
     
    Janus said:
    The Light Side and Dark Side not being fleshed out after thirty five or so years after being introduced isn't pedantry. Sure, "Good vs Evil" worked for the first ten, or twenty years of the franchise, until they introduced Grey Jedi, Luke becoming evil on Tuesdays, and random Sith being Light Sith and there being Good Sith. So what is The Force? Is there a good side and a bad side, or is it just The Force?

    Midichlorians not being explainable is kind of okay, except for the fact that The Force was originally supposed to be a mystical energy field that existed in all things, so what is it? Is it a bunch of microscopic organisms or is it an energy field like it was supposed to be? Is Darth Vader the Chosen One like everyone thought or was it Luke?

    Why was Darth Vader's turn to the Dark Side so stupid? (IMHO) Did Darth Vader really kill Padme or was it just a lame plot device like in a fairy tale? If Palpatine was really creaming Yoda so hard, and Yoda "Didn't hold a candle" to him, why was Palpatine straining so much in their duel to win?

    A lot of these problems would be solved if the issue of Star Wars canon could be resolved.
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    Fuck canon. The films are not lore delivery vehicles, they're not documentaries about made up people. They're movies that are meant to be imbued with themes and characters and ideas, not trivia that can be slotted into Wookiepedia.
     
    Arthur Frayn said:
    Fuck canon. The films are not lore delivery vehicles, they're not documentaries about made up people. They're movies that are meant to be imbued with themes and characters and ideas, not trivia that can be slotted into Wookiepedia.
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    Kay then. Who the hell is the Chosen One? Why is Rey basically a goddess in comparison to previous characters? Why the hell Midichlorians? Why the hell kill the Emperor in such a cartoonish manner if he's so great and powerful? Why the hell Jar Jar Binks?
     
    Janus said:
    The Light Side and Dark Side not being fleshed out after thirty five or so years after being introduced isn't pedantry. Sure, "Good vs Evil" worked for the first ten, or twenty years of the franchise, until they introduced Grey Jedi, Luke becoming evil on Tuesdays, and random Sith being Light Sith and there being Good Sith. So what is The Force? Is there a good side and a bad side, or is it just The Force?
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    For everyday purposes...Depends On The Writer.

    Myself, I'm given to think that the Force and its dynamics actually works differently for each and every person. This manifests in unique abilities for certain Force users - some are given to Battle Meditation, some to Force Lightning (which is essentially hating someone to death), some can pull off tricks no one has seen before (such as Kylo Ren freezing blaster bolts in mid-air).

    The Dark Side, like the Force as a whole, works differently depending on the individual. For some it works like demonic possession, hollowing out their personality and replacing it with something bent on destruction for destruction's sake. For others (like poor Anakin Skywalker) it works as an emotional positive feedback loop that amplifies urges that normally wouldn't affect them.

    And a select few (like Mace Windu, Kyle Katarn, or Cade Skywalker) can actually dip into the Dark Side as a reservoir of strength for judicious uses. However, it must be noted that a) this is dangerous unless you have the self-discipline of a Tibetan Monk, b) this is liable to result in long term psychological damage for the user even if it brings short term success, and c) if anyone could casually use it for good without repercussions, it would by definition not be the Dark Side.


    Anyway, to get back to the original question...I don't think there's an answer, because the Force looks a bit different to each and every individual in the Galaxy thanks to things like worldview, formative events in their life, specifics in their training, and so on. Beyond a few specifics everyone can agree on (generated by life, permeates and binds all things, has Dark elements to it), the Force is mysterious.
     
    Arthur Frayn said:
    Fuck canon. The films are not lore delivery vehicles, they're not documentaries about made up people. They're movies that are meant to be imbued with themes and characters and ideas, not trivia that can be slotted into Wookiepedia.
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    Wookiepedia, bloody hell. That site just exemplifies one of the more irritating traits of the EU, wherein authors just have to make sure that every minor character in the original trilogy is given backstory that somehow makes them of monumental importance to the protagonists. Like the man whose skull Luke uses to throw a switch in the rancor pit.

    You think I'm making this up?

    And then there's the fact that Wookiepedia actually has an article about "Breasts," which I can't even link to because the page image is a NSFW glamour photo of a nude Aayla Secura. Stay classy, Wookiepedia! (They should have just used a picture of the Handmaiden from KotOR2 with a caption reading "The Handmaiden displaying exceptional examples of this topic.")
     
    Janus said:
    Kay then. Who the hell is the Chosen One? Why is Rey basically a goddess in comparison to previous characters? Why the hell Midichlorians? Why the hell kill the Emperor in such a cartoonish manner if he's so great and powerful? Why the hell Jar Jar Binks?
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    Arthur Frayn said:
    Fuck canon. The films are not lore delivery vehicles, they're not documentaries about made up people. They're movies that are meant to be imbued with themes and characters and ideas, not trivia that can be slotted into Wookiepedia.
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    Ah, that good old mentality of "Who cares about trivia, the only things that matter are t h e t h e m e s".

    I mean, I liked, TLJ. And I'm not going to look too much into it because it's not made for it. But some people on SV apparently consider that liking stuff made for minutiae and random trivia is somehow terribad, and I find that pretty annoying.
     
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    Agreed with Vyslante. Goodness forbid that some of us might be interested in the vast and interesting universe that the films offer a window into.
     
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