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Like I disagree with you but that particular part is just 'wut.'
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Like I disagree with you but that particular part is just 'wut.'
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Yeah I could have phrased that a lot better. I was trying to refer to how Rey was basically done with trying to get Luke to train her by that point.
Like I disagree with you but that particular part is just 'wut.'
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He says "Let the past die, kill it if you have to." This scene can be interpreted in different ways okay? It can be as you have, it can be about Rey still clinging to her roots and not wanting to let go or it can be as most fans took it an attack on a beloved universe and a big middle finger to the previous movies without which we wouldn't have these disasters. The whole deconstruction of the myth and themes of Star Wars does not work and that's what Rian Johnson attempts to do. The problem is that Star Wars was always more fantasy in space than sci-fi in space, so myths and legends have their part here. The sides being split between good and bad echoed the simplistic view most fairy tales hero had of others and the world around them, and by working on this premise Star Wars established a sort of pattern. The originals are fairy tales about hope and redemption, the prequels a tragedy in three acts about corruption and love, etc.
And Kylo Ren isn't incoherent, he actually has a reason, now that I recall. After all both of them had visions, he of Rey falling to the Dark, she of him turning to the Light. So it's not so much as being delusional and incoherent as he actually thought that would happen and was reaching out to her.
What's the overarching theme then? The rebels lose almost everything, everyone is wrong about most things, Poe goes through a character arc because he's supposedly a hotheaded idiot and not because he's given bad information or in truth nothing at all, Finn visits Casino world to learn about the fact that the people selling weapons to the First Order are doing the same to the Resistance, thus introducing a greyer perspective and rebels are being killed left and right. Luke suddenly isn't the Luke we thought we knew but some guy who would ignite his lightsaber in the middle of the night in his nephew's room while said nephew is asleep to kill him because he sensed darkness in him, tell me this doesn't sound like some bleak tragedy. And the way it's presented is badly done because it doesn't come across as what it was meant to be but as an adventure/action romp. But that is what I get Rian Johnson was going for from the way he wrote the narrative. This is not a story about hope, but a deconstruction on the fact that hope alone isn't enough.
And this movie has divided the fanbase in two! The way I expressed myself was not particularly well done since I was implying that this scene split the fanbase instead of the entire movie. That was on me, my bad. You were perfectly right to call me out. I should've expressed myself better.
But as for saying I didn't see the movie because I made a mistake and confused some scenes or that I don't think like you(this is not you necessarily just some comments made before)? Why? I do not see whatever it is you saw in this movie, but I am not trying to invalidate your opinion or come across as the people who repeat this sentence do. Instead of being polite about it you opened your argument with You didn't watch the movie because of course I should know it from its opening scrawl to the end in perfect detail, when it's a movie I didn't like or find enjoyable. But I should know it perfectly because I'm arguing it has flaws instead of knowing enough to present why I don't like it and move on with my life.
And the thing is a lot of people use this as an argument: You didn't see the movie, because others do not see what they see. Not talking about you in particular so much as something I've noticed even on youtube, which is why? And please, don't give me that I've taken out of context that one scene, because Kylo Ren's words can be interpreted in more than one way. Or that because I disagree with you and what you thought of the movie it's because I didn't watch it, by which I think you actually mean I didn't watch it with the same eyes or hear it as you did.
And it's not just this. A couple of pages back @Jace911 wrote that I was fixating on my question about why did the Resistance not jump from D'Qar to Crait directly as ammo for my argument. No this is a legitimate question, not using it as argument, if someone can actually convince me why, kudos for you... And I've seen a possible explanation that the Resistance stopped in the middle of nowhere because that's what the Rebel fleet did in Empire. But in Empire the Rebellion whose base was destroyed had nowhere else to go regroup but in space. This isn't the case here. The resistance isn't regrouping, they're fleeing.
Like it wasn't a response to my question, just shutting down a valid point I raise. I did not want to dislike this movie coming out of my first and only viewing, but it happened. Oh, well.
Also nowhere is it hinted or shown that Leia didn't know the plan Holdo enacted or why such a flaw(jumping out of hyperspace in the middle of nowhere) exists in the movie except to have a chase scene. And at the beginning in ANH when Vader's Star Destroyer caught up to Leia's corvette, was her ship also running out of fuel? It seemed to be going just fine, but the bigger ship was just catching up to it since it had bigger everything including engines. And don't tell me in thirty years in the future ships took a dive or the smaller ones received new upgrades but not the First Order's star destroyers.
There's also someone who said that maybe they jumped to hyperspace because they didn't have time to really think about their destination, but we are told by Han that "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, kids". But okay, they needed two hyperspace jumps to make it to Crait. So when they saw the First Order arrive why not just evacuate a ship and kamikaze it into the Mega-class Star Destroyer without needlessly adding drama and jump again to lightspeed to get away? Because we wouldn't have a chase scene.
And even if I got the question about D'Qar wrong, why did the Dreadnought Poe took down have no shield whatsoever? Why didn't Leia's ship shields work when the TIEs hit the command bridge? This is a movie choke full of tiny inconsistencies and plot holes! Like if I can't believe the story or the characters reasoning for doing things...what can I say?
By all means address how wrong I am for the logical questions the movie raised in me about the setting of a well established universe. They could've said anything, given us a actual reason for coming out of hyperspace in the middle of nowhere and they didn't. So it ruins a lot for me, but I'm arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Holy fuck, fighters can pass under ship shields and deal direct damage, it's their main utility, it's been in literally every Star Wars movie except AotC. How can your complaints be this inane.
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Are you not aware there are more than one type of shield in Star Wars? The best known and most important are ray shields and deflector shields.
In ANH we are told the Death Star's exhaust port is protected by a ray shield, which by its name should be taken as stopping rays, however later in the prequels we learn that ray shields actually stop physical objects because Obi-Wan could not get to Qui-Gon through the ray shielding. Also in Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Palps get trapped in a ray shield on Grievous ship, right at the beginning of the movie and have to get Artoo to free them, if I remember correctly. So the Rebellion having to do a trench run, if the exhaust port was ray shielded from direct shots from above, makes sense. The only problems with these shields is, that in the original you couldn't see the ray shields, but more or less Lucas changed them in the prequels and made them visible. So a starship without one is a big question mark.
Deflector shields on the other hand operate as you've said. Poe getting such an easy pass at the Dreadnought, the ship with the cannon capable of obliterating their base on planet and the entire Resistance, which had no such shielding, yeah you're right, I'm being inane here. Not to mention the bombers. Some form of shield should've been even on the paper-thin bombers, not only on the Dreadnaught.
I mean it's not as if it's lore or canon from ANH until present, it's just me being inane. Do you want me to pick on the more obvious and glaring flows? Like the lack of gravity in space? Why didn't Paige get sucked out and freeze to death/die when the bomber opened it's floor doors? Why were the bombers so paper thin? These nitpicks matter! The devil is in the details!
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What the hell kind of response even is this
You just spat out a bunch of pointless trivia completely tangential to what was said.
And it's fairly obvious that the the bomber would have an object-permeable forcefield over the bomb bay if you want to ask the question, like we see bloody everywhere on ships and stations. The bombs fall out of the bomber's artificial gravity and then continue down because as you said yourself, no gravity in space. Easy explanations that I came up with watching the film, no need for extensive research.
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Except the only interpretation you've presented is based on a version of the scene that did not happen.
You can bob and weave and wall of text until the end of time. But the only interpretation of this scene you've put forth is impossible. That is where we are. You can say Kylo had a vision of Rey falling to the dark, but that doesn't change the fact that what he says is in fact internally inconsistent; that he simultaneously condemns the Empire as something to be destroyed and offers a co-rulership of it to Rey sentences later; that he condemns the Sith and starts trying to make his own Rule of Two sentences later. You haven't even explained how he could be internally consistent, simply handwaved that he is because of his vision.
I dunno man Yoda made two pretty clear points here. And Kylo is failing both of them. Because that's why he's the bad guy and all. He talks a good game but he can't let the past die; can't kill his mom, is in turmoil over killing his dad, wrecks his helmet because he can't let go Snoke taunting him, kills Snoke because he can't let go those taunts STILL, can't let go of the First Order, and at the very end, still holds Luke's moment of weakness against him. He keeps trying to kill it harder and harder and more thoroughly because he hopes that if he does so it'll be gone, and yet his fury at Luke's shot over how he feels about killing his father indicates that it doesn't work. The main obstacle to Kylo Ren's dreams is that Kylo Ren is having them, and he won't do the things he needs to reach them.
And in the entire movie, who actually managed to let the past die?
Luke Skywalker.
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I spat the trivia because I had to ask where was the shield that should've defended the Dreadnought and Leia's command bridge and what I was answered was,
When did I say it was implausible for the ships to pass through shields and deal direct damage? I am being called inane for asking a question that is genuinely bugging me and I had to offer some of the trivia I know since there are quite a few shielding ways in canon and the most likely a Dreadnought would get would be ray-shielding. What's bugging me is the entire tone of the fight and what I responded with after my info-dumping was done:
This is my point, not being tangential about what was said. The info dump is for context, since ray-shields are different to deflector shielded ships and not just for star fighters to fly through them.
And yes the bombers die, Poe gets demoted, I get where they were going, but for me it did not hit that note.
Enemy ships being able to get through the shielded hangers is a design flaw of the starships something that has consequences in canon, like Anakin destroying the battle station above Naboo, like how Obi-Wan and Anakin got on Grievous ship, how Kylo Ren can explode the Rebellion's hanger. It's not about those tiny ships passing through the shields that's the problem.
The problem I have is that the Dreadnought had no shield and the guns couldn't target Poe because he moved too fast? Too fast? The weapon problem is bizzarre, because didn't they build those things knowing how fast a small ship can go? Were those things never tested to see how well they did? The biggest battle station in Star Wars, the Death Star was ray-shielded. Why isn't the Dreadnought?
It's the ship with the hardest hitting weapon, a cannon capable of reaching the surface of the planet and it has zero shields and surface weapons that Poe can take out by himself in such a suicidal fashion, even after his weapons get disabled and BB-8 has to smash his head into the panel to reactivate them? It felt gimmicky and very convenient that BB-8's head-mashing actually worked.
The past movies established shields, so why isn't this star destroyer a bigger threat? Like I get that the bombers situation is dire, they're dying to the last man and woman, but why introduce such a ship with such a powerful weapon and just get rid of it in the next second?
It's stunning visually, but doesn't make much sense on how they could so easily take out this ship, this Dreadnought that obliterated their former base. It felt weird that instead of waiting for the Resistance ships to fly from the base and first focusing on those escaping the world, it targets the D'Qar base, which is being evacuated, and then takes its time re-target the remaining fleet? Why? Why didn't they to the more logical thing of taking out the enemy ships and dealing with those planet side after.
If the bombers clearly don't work as well as intended and more people are lost then why not hyperspace a ship through those ships, since it's been weaponized? Use that here, even if the cost is high, make sure the First Order can't follow you at all, even if you lose a larger ship and the bombers.
The Resistance are a small faction, like much smaller than first believed, going up against a military machine that is churning out cannon fodder faster than they can recruit since the Resistance fighters are dying like flies. If we are to hold Holdo accountable as a bad leader, how can I not then hold Leia as a weak General in this scene.
Also the Rebellion's ships are shielded, it's why the First Order are shooting at them, they're whittling away at them, but the command bridge with the most important personal isn't shielded?Why? For what point does it explode and take out all of the Resistance leaders when in the very next moment Leia returns back to the ship, unharmed but in a coma. Not even her dress had been torn or burnt. We wouldn't have need of Holdo without this scene.
How did they continue falling once in space? What forcefield? Invisible? I guess it could work since they weren't visible in the original movies. I did no extensive research, but the scene just wasn't believable for me. Good on you for getting such an easy explanation out of it and enjoying it. I'm actually honest here, not making making fun of you. I'm glad someone did like it, because I couldn't and it's been hitting me hard that I just have a lot of issues with this movie.
But I'm glad there are people who did like it. I'd be happier if they argued back a bit more politely with me and respect my opinion without making me feel like an ass?
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I don't see how exactly he's deluding himself, because alright he condemns the Empire and wants Rey to stand by him as his co-ruler, and he might condemn the Sith and is trying to make his own Rule of Two, but how is this not a consistent representation of Kylo Ren and the conflict inside of him. I'm not throwing out that you can't very well be right, but he's shown as full of conflict, always taking one step back in the Light and two more forward in the Dark. So going back on what he said about the Empire and Sith, still trying to reach out and follow those teachings but not calling it such, despite the hypocrisy in his words? He's always doing that. It's never his fault, it's always someone else's. I do get the he believes himself right, but not that he's delusional. He's like Rey about her parents, lying to himself.
He's self-deceptive, this is true. Delusional? This doesn't resonate with me at all.
Yeah failure can be used to learn from and one should let go of the past, but this is Luke's overarching plot and Kylo Ren's failure, more than it is the theme of the story. I just don't buy it. Rey has no failure except she couldn't return Kylo Ren to the light and couldn't convince Luke to return with her? But in what way does she grow? I don't know, she was already a good Jedi as shown in TFA, she had no problem looking into the Dark Side and never once being tempted, is quick to shoot down Kylo's offer.
She didn't care about Kylo Ren before and while the actors have a lot of chemistry on scene, their characters didn't get enough interactions and a believable time period to develop their relationship. I don't buy relationships that form over the course of a few days with the character that is our protagonist's enemy. She has legit reasons to hate him, legit reasons to be wary of him and it takes her three, four days maximum to empathize with him.
Rey was never shown to be very empathetic to anyone but BB-8 and Han(and I'm not sure even them), last movie. I don't know if she empathized with Finn all that much, if at all. It was more like they just fell into this adventure together and found they liked one another as friends because they're awesome together, but she doesn't really understand his feelings about the First Order or where he's coming from or want to? I might be completely off here, but she never came across as an empathetic person. Caring yes, concerned for others feelings? Not much.
So I don't buy failure as your teacher and leave the past behind as the main themes of the movie. They are important to Luke, Rey and Kylo Ren, but aren't as important to everyone else. I do not buy it because throughout the movie I'm being given these bleak, tragic stories that aim at disenchanting such as the Resistance small number, how unavoidable their destruction feels, the slave children and their space horses, the high cost of war as presented through the bombers, etc. and not so much as failure is good, leaving the past in the past is even better.
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All right. Ant221's gone and watched the movie, so I've lifted his threadban.
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I also gave an explanation in one of my posts, you know. The Resistance didn't think they could be tracked, they had plenty fuel for anything that wasn't "go full throttle for nearly a full day", and they had enough fuel left for another hyperspace jump. Getting the fuck away from the First Order fleet was more important than getting the fuck away to a very specific destination that IIRC wasn't even actually their main destination until Holdo came up with the plan.
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"Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, kid."
Getting away without calculating the hyperspace route makes no sense since it's established that traveling in hyperspace isn't something you do without a lot of math and time prep. Why would they pick the route if not to get to Crait? Nowhere is is said in the movie that Holdo is the one to come up with their destination. How do we know it wasn't decided before they even completed evacuation of D'Qar by the leadership?
"There's that old abandoned base on Crait, the middle of nowhere, no one will know we're there. It will be just like Hoth."
They thought they couldn't be tracked so instead of choosing some plant to refuel quickly and be on their way, they went to the middle of nowhere? And the chase makes even less sense because it's impossible to travel so far without hyperspace when you're light years away from your destination. It's why we have hyperspace, so them not having enough fuel for a good jump to a local system to resupply but enough to always stay ahead of the First Order's? Convenient, I'd say!
edit: I did address the points you raised both here and the post before, so if you don't agree that's fine. But for me it's a major plot hole.
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Look. I don't have time to get into the nitty gritty of this since we want over this MULTIPLE times but I'll indulge. The Rey Luke fight scene was with staffs, Luke would've won if Rey hadn't pulled out the lightsaber. How the fook is she more powerful? Anakin at age nine destroyed the trade federation ship by spinning .And kylo ren lost cuz he just killed his and got shot with a fucking mini railgun.He's not in tip top shape.
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What the hell? She didn't beat Luke Skywalker. She hits Luke from behind and continues her attack on him, he then fights her half-heartedly with an improvised weapon made from a lightning rod, but still proceeds to disarm her effortlessly. At that moment, she escalates and uses telekinesis to recall the lightsaber and Luke is surprised and pushed back.
Here's the thing, Luke stops his fall with the Force and at that moment, he's waiting to see what Rey is going to do, and she calms down so he relaxes again. There isn't a single point where Luke is actually in danger, he just didn't want actually fight Rey and it's clearly seen on his face. Do you really think he wouldn't have ragdolled Rey like Snoke did if Rey attacked him again? Instead, he waited to see how Rey would act, whether she would calm down or whether she would need to be reigned in before she fell to the Dark Side.
Those aren't the action of a beaten man, but of one confident enough in his abilities to allow himself to remain in a disadvantageous situation because he knows he can recover.
As for Kylo Ren, "his deeds [killing Han] split his spirit to the bone", that's how.
The film doesn't end with "Let the past die, kill it if you have to.", it ends with Luke Skywalker appearing as an invicinble Jedi Master impevious to blaster fire and random children retelling that story. It literally states that legends and myths will be relevant for the ages to come.
It's the opposite of a middle finger.
It's like you forgot about half of the film. The Last Jedi isn't about Luke being the Last Jedi, or the hubris of the Jedi. Those points are indeed relevant, but the Last Jedi is about how despite all of this, Luke will not be the last Jedi and that as long as the Force exists, there will be more Jedi.
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You know, something that's come up a lot is that Luke's instinctive reaction towards Ben is something that RotJ would never do, because he made his choice when he chose not to strike down Anakin, rejected the Dark Side, and stood as hero and a Jedi. I can almost see where they're coming from, Luke's big scene being that he rejected the Dark Side, stayed firmly on the Light, and chose to believe he could redeem instead of destroy, which made all the difference. Luke later on showing his first reaction to be destruction instead of redemption feels weird, in such a scenario.
But, honestly, I don't see why people argue this, not really. Why do people act as though Luke choosing Light is the be-all and end-all? That he's picked good, he chose the blue option on the morality wheel, he locked himself into his alignment and he's shit outta luck if he wants to change it. Maybe I'm misreading things or whatever, but I never really saw things as being a binary, irreversible effect. Anakin chose darkness for years, before finally choosing light, so why is it so strange that Luke would be tempted by darkness, by the pain and fear and trauma he likely hadn't felt for years, into doing something awful? He doesn't even do it, it's instinct, so in the end it's not even that he chose darkness, he still chose light. Because I think that's an important part of it. Choosing the light isn't being locked into Paragon or whatever, it's a continuous thing. You choose light over and over and over, and the darkness never really 100% goes away, but that's alright because in the end even if you're tempted you still choose light.
Just wanted to throw my two cents out there on this particular part and why I really don't think it's some kind of betrayal of Luke's character or whatever.
But, honestly, I don't see why people argue this, not really. Why do people act as though Luke choosing Light is the be-all and end-all? That he's picked good, he chose the blue option on the morality wheel, he locked himself into his alignment and he's shit outta luck if he wants to change it. Maybe I'm misreading things or whatever, but I never really saw things as being a binary, irreversible effect. Anakin chose darkness for years, before finally choosing light, so why is it so strange that Luke would be tempted by darkness, by the pain and fear and trauma he likely hadn't felt for years, into doing something awful? He doesn't even do it, it's instinct, so in the end it's not even that he chose darkness, he still chose light. Because I think that's an important part of it. Choosing the light isn't being locked into Paragon or whatever, it's a continuous thing. You choose light over and over and over, and the darkness never really 100% goes away, but that's alright because in the end even if you're tempted you still choose light.
Just wanted to throw my two cents out there on this particular part and why I really don't think it's some kind of betrayal of Luke's character or whatever.
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It's almost like the film spends its first half deconstructing myths and showing us the real, flawed people behind them, only to spend the second half of the film reconstructing them and showing why myths and legends are important.
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Moreover, it's the exact same reaction he has in ROTJ: Vader threatens to corrupt Leia and destroy everything and everyone else he loves, and Luke freaks the fuck out and beats Vader down in a fit of rage, before calming down and realizing what he's done and what he needs to do. Hell, he comes to his senses infinitely faster with Ben.
Indeed. People phrasing it as, 'Luke tried to kill Kylo.' irritate me because the film establishes pretty well that if Luke had actually tried to kill Kylo, Kylo would be dead.
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They end with Luke dying because why? Why did he die after Force projecting himself? Why if he wanted to die, did he not do the Force projection and end it sooner, preferably by saving Han, his best friend from his own self made mistake, Kylo? It's the middle finger to an iconic character. If he had to die, why couldn't he have been there on Crait for real? What's the point of the Force projection if he still dies? I mean it's shown by Vader in Empire and Kylo Ren in TFA that blaster fire can be blocked so it would've been more or less the same thing. So why not have Luke there?
What about that nifty point made that it is vanity to think the Force belongs to the Jedi? Why introduce it if ultimately it's not correct since the Jedi don't have to end to allow a new generation to grow, the Jedi manuscripts were never burnt, only the tree that housed them. Why? Why when we keep being beaten over the head with the fact that the Jedi are wrong, what suddenly makes them right by the end of the movie?
@Squirtodyle It's not so much that Luke tries to kill Ben and thus creates Kylo Ren as the way it was executed and I'm not talking about the neat edits that show the differing points of view and how much it depends on it. Had Luke confronted Ben, had he tried to help him and then found himself needing to ignite his lightsaber would've meant that we could buy it. To go from what we knew about Luke and to arrive at I'm going to read my sleeping nephew's mind in the middle of the night to see how dark he is. Oh, no!! So dark, ignite lightsaber. Now he feels ashamed, but wait for it Ben's suddenly awake.
As for the Luke tries to kill Kylo argument:
In order for a person to be guilty of attempted murder, that person should have deliberately, intentionally or recklessly with extreme disregard for human life, attempted to kill someone.
Whatever his reason, whether he regretted it ten secs later, when Luke ignited the lightsaber because he saw that vision of Kylo Ren, he had deliberately and intentionally chosen to disregard his nephew's life and kill him. That he backed right the next second does not negate what he did try. What's so hard to reconcile between what we're shown and what we're told. Why must Luke be given a blank slate or forgiven because he didn't actually strike/land a blow on Kylo but regretted his choice after igniting the lightsaber? Why can't he be both guilty and have had a good justification/reason whatever. I do not particularly agree with Luke ever having a good reason for being where he was, late at night, doing what he did, but why must it be a case of either or?
Luke attempted to kill his nephew but backed up once he realized what he was doing. Just asking.
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I don't think that it's particularly hard to buy that, in a world where being light is a case of constantly and consciously choosing the light with darkness ever present, always tempting you to choose it instead, that in a moment where Luke sees horrors and tragedies which he wouldn't have seen in decades, where his trauma and his pain flares up more than it has in a long, long time, where he's at his most vulnerable to the dark and he sees that Ben could be a threat to his loved ones, that Luke instinctively ignites his lightsaber with the intent to kill. He did it with Anakin long before, after all, and he got a grip on himself faster than he did when he was younger.
The darkness tempted Luke, tempted him enough that he was almost to the point of killing his nephew because of his fear and his pain. But he rejected it, was ashamed of it, and that particular failure coupled with everything else drove him into a despair so deep he only wanted to waste away and die alone. No one berates him for his failure more than Luke himself does, despite the fact that rather than choosing darkness, it was a case of choosing light just a little too late. I don't think that it was deliberate and intentional in the same way that plotting murder is. It was a split second, instinctual decision based on pain and fear and trauma that he ended up not going through with. That's far from attempted murder.
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Kylo Ren says out loud that a Force projection is so difficult it can kill a person, and Rey says out loud that Luke has closed himself off from the Force. He has no idea Han is dead until he realizes Chewie and the Falcon are there and Han isn't.
Maybe if you want us to stop accusing you of not seeing the film you should stop forgetting or ignoring things that are said out loud in the film.
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But why was he there in the first place at night?
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Ben was already struggling with the suspicion that his parents had for him and the knowledge that he was Darth Vader's grandson. I'd assume that taking Ben aside in a way that would be almost impossible to hide from the other students and confronting him about his darkness would have turned out extremely bad for Ben, considering Luke is someone he trusted deeply from what Luke said.
Like, it seems fairly simple to me. Go to his hut at night, read his mind or whatever he did, find out the extent of his darkness, deal with it. He underestimate's Ben's darkness, his own experiences and past flare up and he ends up pulling out a lightsaber for a split second before he realises what he's done, something clearly not part of the plan, but by then the damage is done. It seems to me that Luke wanted to understand Ben's darkness so he could work on how to fix it without it coming across as him not having faith in Ben, and Luke fucked up by both underestimating what Ben's darkness would be like, and by overestimating his own ability to control himself in that kind of situation.