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Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest
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grimely
Twink Death Sufferer
[x] The Radical Party
-[x] A Radical Tomorrow, Together with Socialists
--[x] Assist Spain & Italy in military-industrial build-up in preparation for our showdown against the Imperial League.
--[x] Incorporate radicals and Jacobins into the International Worker's Association to the socialist one. Create a sub-branch called the Volunteers for Liberty group which will coordinate revolutionary volunteers for foreign conflicts.
--[x] Consolidate our "Alpine Academy" as a foreign intelligence service to begin establishing networks in the Imperial League. The networks should support radical and revolutionary movements and prepare to impede the Imperial war effort, and if feasible, prepare uprisings.
--[x] Continue both naval expansion for Baltic supremacy & the reforms of the Leutewehr in line with the Civil War Report.
--[x] Establish the Academy of Advanced Sciences and Engineering to begin an investigation into new forms of technology, such as Benz's internal combustion engine and the development of new medicines.
--[x] Organize intercultural committees with Spain and Italy to have regular exchanges between our peoples to celebrate our common struggles against monarchism.
-[x] A Radical Tomorrow, Together with Socialists
--[x] Assist Spain & Italy in military-industrial build-up in preparation for our showdown against the Imperial League.
--[x] Incorporate radicals and Jacobins into the International Worker's Association to the socialist one. Create a sub-branch called the Volunteers for Liberty group which will coordinate revolutionary volunteers for foreign conflicts.
--[x] Consolidate our "Alpine Academy" as a foreign intelligence service to begin establishing networks in the Imperial League. The networks should support radical and revolutionary movements and prepare to impede the Imperial war effort, and if feasible, prepare uprisings.
--[x] Continue both naval expansion for Baltic supremacy & the reforms of the Leutewehr in line with the Civil War Report.
--[x] Establish the Academy of Advanced Sciences and Engineering to begin an investigation into new forms of technology, such as Benz's internal combustion engine and the development of new medicines.
--[x] Organize intercultural committees with Spain and Italy to have regular exchanges between our peoples to celebrate our common struggles against monarchism.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
We're half think tank half party, and committed to giving the republic good ideas even if we don't get in government!
In character, it makes sense for localism to provide a laboratory for experimental governance.
I want to bring back some of our earlier experimental planks that never passed in the future, like less hierarchical education or union R&D labs.
grimely
Twink Death Sufferer
That vote is actually valid, for some reason. Right now only @Traveller76 has an invalid vote according to the tally.
[X] The Communist Party
-[X] Plan: Communism Is the Power of the National Assembly Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Have the state build out new power plants and power cables according to a common plan determined by the Assembly, and ensure they remain state owned and that all rates are set by the Assembly. Put this question to the people in a referendum if the Assembly majority will not pass it.
--[X] Establish with Spain and Italy a Council for Republican Economic Integration to facilitate sharing of know-how and technical specifications, and in-kind transfers of bulk commodities, finished products, and skilled labor among members based on need. Establish social and democratic criteria for membership that the various American republics might reasonably meet.
--[X] Expand the National Ration allotments to include the new medicinal drugs and medical devices being developed by the Republic, as well as semi-annual general practitioner, specialist (including obstetric), and dentist visits, and establish clinics and pharmacies for their distribution.
--[X] Establish a National Institute for Higher Education and Research & Development that is endowed with a substantial budget to improve the quality & accessibility of tertiary education and fund research. Integrate as closely as possible with our allies fostering scientific cooperation and funding student exchange programs.
--[X] Institute a program of military infrastructure and fortification rebuilding based on the doctrines developed out of the Civil War Report. Initial emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting second-line positions.
--[X] Permit the International Workers' Association and International Radical Association to deposit their funds in the International Development Bank at terms otherwise reserved for friendly state partners (i.e., Spain and Italy), and propose insuring these funds as a Triple Alliance joint venture. Insure these funds regardless of Spain's and Italy's answers.
-[X] Plan: Communism Is the Power of the National Assembly Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Have the state build out new power plants and power cables according to a common plan determined by the Assembly, and ensure they remain state owned and that all rates are set by the Assembly. Put this question to the people in a referendum if the Assembly majority will not pass it.
--[X] Establish with Spain and Italy a Council for Republican Economic Integration to facilitate sharing of know-how and technical specifications, and in-kind transfers of bulk commodities, finished products, and skilled labor among members based on need. Establish social and democratic criteria for membership that the various American republics might reasonably meet.
--[X] Expand the National Ration allotments to include the new medicinal drugs and medical devices being developed by the Republic, as well as semi-annual general practitioner, specialist (including obstetric), and dentist visits, and establish clinics and pharmacies for their distribution.
--[X] Establish a National Institute for Higher Education and Research & Development that is endowed with a substantial budget to improve the quality & accessibility of tertiary education and fund research. Integrate as closely as possible with our allies fostering scientific cooperation and funding student exchange programs.
--[X] Institute a program of military infrastructure and fortification rebuilding based on the doctrines developed out of the Civil War Report. Initial emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting second-line positions.
--[X] Permit the International Workers' Association and International Radical Association to deposit their funds in the International Development Bank at terms otherwise reserved for friendly state partners (i.e., Spain and Italy), and propose insuring these funds as a Triple Alliance joint venture. Insure these funds regardless of Spain's and Italy's answers.
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- He/Him/They/Them
[x] The Communist Party
- [x] Plan: Communism Is the Power of the National Assembly Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
-- [x] Have the state build out new power plants and power cables according to a common plan determined by the Assembly, and ensure they remain state owned and that all rates are set by the Assembly. Put this question to the people in a referendum if the Assembly majority will not pass it.
-- [x] Establish with Spain and Italy a Council for Republican Economic Integration to facilitate sharing of know-how and technical specifications, and in-kind transfers of bulk commodities, finished products, and skilled labor among members based on need. Establish social and democratic criteria for membership that the various American republics might reasonably meet.
-- [x] Expand the National Ration allotments to include the new medicinal drugs and medical devices being developed by the Republic, as well as semi-annual general practitioner, specialist (including obstetric), and dentist visits, and establish clinics and pharmacies for their distribution.
-- [x] Establish a National Institute for Higher Education and Research & Development that is endowed with a substantial budget to improve the quality & accessibility of tertiary education and fund research. Integrate as closely as possible with our allies fostering scientific cooperation and funding student exchange programs.
-- [x] Institute a program of military infrastructure and fortification rebuilding based on the doctrines developed out of the Civil War Report. Initial emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting second-line positions.
-- [x] Permit the International Workers' Association and International Radical Association to deposit their funds in the International Development Bank at terms otherwise reserved for friendly state partners (i.e., Spain and Italy), and propose insuring these funds as a Triple Alliance joint venture. Insure these funds regardless of Spain's and Italy's answers.
- [x] Plan: Communism Is the Power of the National Assembly Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
-- [x] Have the state build out new power plants and power cables according to a common plan determined by the Assembly, and ensure they remain state owned and that all rates are set by the Assembly. Put this question to the people in a referendum if the Assembly majority will not pass it.
-- [x] Establish with Spain and Italy a Council for Republican Economic Integration to facilitate sharing of know-how and technical specifications, and in-kind transfers of bulk commodities, finished products, and skilled labor among members based on need. Establish social and democratic criteria for membership that the various American republics might reasonably meet.
-- [x] Expand the National Ration allotments to include the new medicinal drugs and medical devices being developed by the Republic, as well as semi-annual general practitioner, specialist (including obstetric), and dentist visits, and establish clinics and pharmacies for their distribution.
-- [x] Establish a National Institute for Higher Education and Research & Development that is endowed with a substantial budget to improve the quality & accessibility of tertiary education and fund research. Integrate as closely as possible with our allies fostering scientific cooperation and funding student exchange programs.
-- [x] Institute a program of military infrastructure and fortification rebuilding based on the doctrines developed out of the Civil War Report. Initial emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting second-line positions.
-- [x] Permit the International Workers' Association and International Radical Association to deposit their funds in the International Development Bank at terms otherwise reserved for friendly state partners (i.e., Spain and Italy), and propose insuring these funds as a Triple Alliance joint venture. Insure these funds regardless of Spain's and Italy's answers.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Responding to "that's paternalist" with "but won't someone think of the children" doesn't exactly make outside observers think you aren't being paternalist.
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- Your pantry
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- He/Him
So a legitimate argument about younger people's lower impulse control (which is literally how our brain development works) is paternalistic. Paternalism arises from false concerns and 'supposed' best interest from people in positions of authority. trying to deride my intentions and arguments because of a trope is just distasteful, to put it bluntly.
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"Lets not give everyone free coke" might be considered a paternalistic statement by some, that doesn't mean its unsound.
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- Your pantry
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- He/Him
If we wanted to be finicky, everyone in this thread is paternalistic in some fashion. We are after all deciding what's 'Best' for Germany and it's people, in all of our own fashions.
No? That's just mixing game mechanisms up with attitudes about how real things work. Medical systems, in this case.
Spylobster
Centrist-Malenyevist
[X] The Communist Party
-[X] Plan: Communism Is the Power of the National Assembly Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Have the state build out new power plants and power cables according to a common plan determined by the Assembly, and ensure they remain state owned and that all rates are set by the Assembly. Put this question to the people in a referendum if the Assembly majority will not pass it.
--[X] Establish with Spain and Italy a Council for Republican Economic Integration to facilitate sharing of know-how and technical specifications, and in-kind transfers of bulk commodities, finished products, and skilled labor among members based on need. Establish social and democratic criteria for membership that the various American republics might reasonably meet.
--[X] Expand the National Ration allotments to include the new medicinal drugs and medical devices being developed by the Republic, as well as semi-annual general practitioner, specialist (including obstetric), and dentist visits, and establish clinics and pharmacies for their distribution.
--[X] Establish a National Institute for Higher Education and Research & Development that is endowed with a substantial budget to improve the quality & accessibility of tertiary education and fund research. Integrate as closely as possible with our allies fostering scientific cooperation and funding student exchange programs.
--[X] Institute a program of military infrastructure and fortification rebuilding based on the doctrines developed out of the Civil War Report. Initial emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting second-line positions.
--[X] Permit the International Workers' Association and International Radical Association to deposit their funds in the International Development Bank at terms otherwise reserved for friendly state partners (i.e., Spain and Italy), and propose insuring these funds as a Triple Alliance joint venture. Insure these funds regardless of Spain's and Italy's answers.
-[X] Plan: Communism Is the Power of the National Assembly Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Have the state build out new power plants and power cables according to a common plan determined by the Assembly, and ensure they remain state owned and that all rates are set by the Assembly. Put this question to the people in a referendum if the Assembly majority will not pass it.
--[X] Establish with Spain and Italy a Council for Republican Economic Integration to facilitate sharing of know-how and technical specifications, and in-kind transfers of bulk commodities, finished products, and skilled labor among members based on need. Establish social and democratic criteria for membership that the various American republics might reasonably meet.
--[X] Expand the National Ration allotments to include the new medicinal drugs and medical devices being developed by the Republic, as well as semi-annual general practitioner, specialist (including obstetric), and dentist visits, and establish clinics and pharmacies for their distribution.
--[X] Establish a National Institute for Higher Education and Research & Development that is endowed with a substantial budget to improve the quality & accessibility of tertiary education and fund research. Integrate as closely as possible with our allies fostering scientific cooperation and funding student exchange programs.
--[X] Institute a program of military infrastructure and fortification rebuilding based on the doctrines developed out of the Civil War Report. Initial emphasis should be on expanding and fortifying logistical nodes and axes of movement supporting second-line positions.
--[X] Permit the International Workers' Association and International Radical Association to deposit their funds in the International Development Bank at terms otherwise reserved for friendly state partners (i.e., Spain and Italy), and propose insuring these funds as a Triple Alliance joint venture. Insure these funds regardless of Spain's and Italy's answers.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
People are generally able to see to their own needs if they aren't under financial pressure, and if they fall into addiction, the solution isn't pushing them into illegality where they can be exploited, it's to also offer free care for that. Opioid addiction is driven more by profit seeking drug traffic and poor prescription practices than customer preference, the latter having no reason to prefer more addictive options if they're available.
We should be very careful about any legal restriction we put on accessing healthcare. Being forced to jump through bureaucratic hoops to get the care you know you already need is an extremely negative result for the patient, in addition to adding load on our healthcare bureaucracy. Instead we should invest in good education on the topic and assistance for addiction issues.
- Location
- Lake Wobegon
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Insufficient Content Promotion by SV
- Location
- Northern Virginia
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Anyway:
[X] The Cooperative Party
-[X] Plan Cooperativism is Local Control Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Organize local planning hubs as equal partners to the republic wide planning commission, tasked with short loop answers to local demand.
--[X] Invest in a country wide electrification drive, with the ultimate goal to reach every community in time.
--[X] Send human and financial assistance to Spain and Italy to help them build up their worker and farmer owned economies.
--[X] Connect with underground rebellious elements in our imperial league neighbours to organize revolutionary defeatist networks ready to sabotage the empires' war effort when liberation comes for them.
--[X] Set up non-territorial councils and communication hubs so that people of particular languages and culture groups can discuss matters relevant to them as such.
--[X] Compulsory Education shall include a course including outdoors survival, navigation and firearm operation.
[X] The Cooperative Party
-[X] Plan Cooperativism is Local Control Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Organize local planning hubs as equal partners to the republic wide planning commission, tasked with short loop answers to local demand.
--[X] Invest in a country wide electrification drive, with the ultimate goal to reach every community in time.
--[X] Send human and financial assistance to Spain and Italy to help them build up their worker and farmer owned economies.
--[X] Connect with underground rebellious elements in our imperial league neighbours to organize revolutionary defeatist networks ready to sabotage the empires' war effort when liberation comes for them.
--[X] Set up non-territorial councils and communication hubs so that people of particular languages and culture groups can discuss matters relevant to them as such.
--[X] Compulsory Education shall include a course including outdoors survival, navigation and firearm operation.
- Location
- Your pantry
- Pronouns
- He/Him
How would a prescription from a doctor be a terrible legal restriction? Quite frankly, What we should build up to is an an efficient, large and modern medical system, where people can get serviced quickly by a physician and assigned a prescription. No need for ANY risk of addiction. The large amount of doctors would allows us to assign everyone the bi-yearly appointements the Communists want. As for dealing with addicts, the best options we have for that is ALWAYS prevention, so proper prescriptions from doctors, lessons in class etc. What I'm seeing from the communist plan is just people trying to jump the gun on all these shiny new innovations and reforms when logistically, it'd be an absolute mess. Non-prescription drugs are a whole other story, I find. Those, I'd agree with freely supplying them without any hassle. Besides, people will always use non-prescription drugs more than prescription ones that have a chance of causing addiction or overdoses, so a doctor's appointment for the latter seems like a non-issue.
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Solarstream
It's all in the cards
- Location
- Zombie World
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] The Cooperative Party
-[X] Plan Cooperativism is Local Control Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Organize local planning hubs as equal partners to the republic wide planning commission, tasked with short loop answers to local demand.
--[X] Invest in a country wide electrification drive, with the ultimate goal to reach every community in time.
--[X] Send human and financial assistance to Spain and Italy to help them build up their worker and farmer owned economies.
--[X] Connect with underground rebellious elements in our imperial league neighbours to organize revolutionary defeatist networks ready to sabotage the empires' war effort when liberation comes for them.
--[X] Set up non-territorial councils and communication hubs so that people of particular languages and culture groups can discuss matters relevant to them as such.
--[X] Compulsory Education shall include a course including outdoors survival, navigation and firearm operation.
-[X] Plan Cooperativism is Local Control Plus Electrification of the Whole Country
--[X] Organize local planning hubs as equal partners to the republic wide planning commission, tasked with short loop answers to local demand.
--[X] Invest in a country wide electrification drive, with the ultimate goal to reach every community in time.
--[X] Send human and financial assistance to Spain and Italy to help them build up their worker and farmer owned economies.
--[X] Connect with underground rebellious elements in our imperial league neighbours to organize revolutionary defeatist networks ready to sabotage the empires' war effort when liberation comes for them.
--[X] Set up non-territorial councils and communication hubs so that people of particular languages and culture groups can discuss matters relevant to them as such.
--[X] Compulsory Education shall include a course including outdoors survival, navigation and firearm operation.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
In this era doctors think that recreational cocaine use is healthy. They are still putting chloroform in the cough medicine. Requiring Rx for meds won't really slow down addiction rates.
- Location
- France
- Pronouns
- She/They
I'm trans, I have personal experience of "oh just get a prescription" as sufficient bureaucracy for disingenuous people to fuck you over. I also know there's some history of doctors not recognizing pain in minority patients and thus not prescribing enough.
We have a semi-planned economy, I have no doubt there'll be some control of our more potent healthcare supplies. But I don't think panicking about an opioid crisis is a reasonable reaction to the idea people might request what they need directly when they have the knowledge to make that decision. This isn't the kind of setup that causes crisis anyway. Countries with prescription systems have had such crises because it's often over prescription and lack of alternatives that causes it, not customers specifically seeking the addictive opioids.
We should seek to empower our people as much as possible to make intelligent decisions, even if some control based on the requisition system is reasonable for the most dangerous products.
If anything I'd be worried of over prescription, which is known to have caused such crises.
- Location
- Your pantry
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Those happening in Germany as it is seems unlikely, to say the least. And if they do, I'm sure we'll crack down on It.
The thing is, those 'bureaucrats' are something I'd hope to crack down on if it ever happened in our Germany. The solution in that case is to have watchdogs who prune the bureaucracy of those kinds of people. Like, it's clear at this point that people already have made up their minds about the issue (God knows how stubborn SV'ers really are) so I won't continue my diatribe, but I hope it's made my position make sense.
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And what about the logistics of it?
Wed have to massively overproduce everything to be able to service the possible demand, a Demand that doesn't even necessarily coincide with medical cases.
Nevermind the fact that as far as im aware healthcare is already freely provided, so i don't really see the reasoning why we should do this?
Nevermind that it would also force every pharmacist in the nation to become a direct state employee, which is an awful idea for a number of reasons.
- Location
- Castle Drakenhof
[x] The Radical Party
-[x] A Radical Tomorrow, Together with Socialists
--[x] Assist Spain & Italy in military-industrial build-up in preparation for our showdown against the Imperial League.
--[x] Incorporate radicals and Jacobins into the International Worker's Association to the socialist one. Create a sub-branch called the Volunteers for Liberty group which will coordinate revolutionary volunteers for foreign conflicts.
--[x] Consolidate our "Alpine Academy" as a foreign intelligence service to begin establishing networks in the Imperial League. The networks should support radical and revolutionary movements and prepare to impede the Imperial war effort, and if feasible, prepare uprisings.
--[x] Continue both naval expansion for Baltic supremacy & the reforms of the Leutewehr in line with the Civil War Report.
--[x] Establish the Academy of Advanced Sciences and Engineering to begin an investigation into new forms of technology, such as Benz's internal combustion engine and the development of new medicines.
--[x] Organize intercultural committees with Spain and Italy to have regular exchanges between our peoples to celebrate our common struggles against monarchism.
-[x] A Radical Tomorrow, Together with Socialists
--[x] Assist Spain & Italy in military-industrial build-up in preparation for our showdown against the Imperial League.
--[x] Incorporate radicals and Jacobins into the International Worker's Association to the socialist one. Create a sub-branch called the Volunteers for Liberty group which will coordinate revolutionary volunteers for foreign conflicts.
--[x] Consolidate our "Alpine Academy" as a foreign intelligence service to begin establishing networks in the Imperial League. The networks should support radical and revolutionary movements and prepare to impede the Imperial war effort, and if feasible, prepare uprisings.
--[x] Continue both naval expansion for Baltic supremacy & the reforms of the Leutewehr in line with the Civil War Report.
--[x] Establish the Academy of Advanced Sciences and Engineering to begin an investigation into new forms of technology, such as Benz's internal combustion engine and the development of new medicines.
--[x] Organize intercultural committees with Spain and Italy to have regular exchanges between our peoples to celebrate our common struggles against monarchism.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
... Why would it be unlikely? Cocaine is a wonder drug right now. The addictive properties are not well understood, but the various beneficial properties are both understood and touted by many in the medical literature.
This isn't a case where dumb people just like smoking crack. The smart people think smoking crack is a benefit to society.