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Drasizard said:
Is there a creative writing site, fanfiction or original, that doesn't have plenty of stories with bi or gay characters? It's hardly a minority of stories and hasn't been for a long time.
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It varies. I hardly have exhaustive experience myself, but some sites are more accepting than others. Anonkun and 4chan's writing sections, for instance, tend to represent lesbian women in a fetishistic light, and almost never represent gay men. Ao3 on the other hand has a range of representation wide emough to drown in, while sv biases mildly towards the LGBTQ+, ish. It depends entirely on where you are on the internet.


Drasizard said:
As for complaining? I'm with the crowd that doesn't like changing an established characters preferences. At most I'll role my eyes if happens in fanfiction and continue reading if the story is good but absolutely hate it if it's done to an established character in a comic, book or a show.
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I could not possibly disagree more. Changing the characters in one way or another is half the point of fanfiction. Making them gay, putting them in a coffeshop au, giving them different powers, crossing them over with another setting, etc. Limiting a story to only ever putting characters in new situations is, well, limiting, and it closes off huge swathes of possibilities.

The same goes for reworks or reimaginings of existing properties. Changing nothing about the characters is pointless. Imagine taking Batman and changing nothing about him at all and making a comic about it. It's just more of the same.

Also I find it interesting that no one seems to complain about those other things I mentioned, just the sexuality. Alt powers? A-okay. Alternate universes? Totally cool. Completely overhauling a characters personality? Go for it. But making them gay? Absolutely outrageous how dare you deviate from the established character.
 
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GamingGeek said:
I mean we don't know anything about CP Taylor's preferences. That would be the "Everyone" you're referring to, not the Worm Insert Taylor here.

I feel like you're trying to start a fight over some silly reason.
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Pretty certain you're the only person who has been talking about CP Taylor. Vrenze at least to me has always been talking about Worm Taylor (the MC of this story).

Sole Purpose said:
Also I find it interesting that no one seems to complain about those other things I mentioned, just the sexuality. Alt powers? A-okay. Alternate universes? Totally cool. Completely overhauling a characters personality? Go for it. But making them gay? Absolutely outrageous dare you deviate from the established character.
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I mean, they do though? I've seen people complain about all of those things.

Edit: But this is kinda off-topic so let's drop it, or take it elsewhere.
 
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AzrielIlluminare said:
Pretty certain you're the only person who has been talking about CP Taylor. Vrenze at least to me has always been talking about Worm Taylor (the MC of this story).
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Correct, I have since entering the convo been talking about Worm!Taylor the MC of the story.
Sole Purpose said:
Not nearly to the extent or with even a shread of the vehemence that they do with changes to a characters sexuality.
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Because those other things aren't protected characteristics that we've been told for years are not a choice and to change or insist they be changed them is a form of (presumably hyperbolic) genocide as has been the case with sexuality and now gender. That you haven't seen it or heard about is either massive coincidence or you being in some way dishonest/inobservant
 
Vrenze said:
That you haven't seen it or heard about is either massive coincidence or you being in some way dishonest/inobservant
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I'll confess that I don't spend a lot of time reading people complaining about the things they consume, so I suppose it's entirely possible that I missed it. I have however seen numerous threads get derailed by people having a flame war over a character being gay.
 
Sole Purpose said:
I'll confess that I don't spend a lot of time reading people complaining about the things they consume, so I suppose it's entirely possible that I missed it. I have however seen numerous threads get derailed by people having a flame war over a character being gay.
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Then those people should have backed away when they expressed their opinion and determined the thread wasn't for them. People get stuck in more than they should on occasion.
 
DragonSlayer08 said:
I'm a straight white male but after reading allot of fanfics Taylor being straight is just weird to me idk why.
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You're use to it because it's common for people to ship Taylor with Lisa and Glory Girl. Most commons ships I see.

Anyways I was more complaining that it shouldn't be sadge. It's just different from what most people wanna ship.

Anyways I'm also glad for a straight Taylor because people were getting weird trying to ship gloria with taylor despite gloria being straight (she has a son people!). It comes down to people shipping so hard that they have to change a character completely to make it work, but that's fanfiction for ya.
 
Vrenze said:
I'm not talking about "everyone in NC" I'm talking about Taylor who is canonically straight based on her choice of partner and word of god. "Everyone" includes Taylor.
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I'll be honest, I trust Wildbows WoG as much as I trust the Russian government, or well any government.

More relevantly this debate should, as Taylor said:

View: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IAQfglRyPlM&feature=shares

(And straight Taylor is almost always poor written with shitty partners where, like in deputy, the aegis relationship was forced as fuck and contributed nothing to the story as opposed to lesbian Taylor who is generally better written)
 
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Dalriaden said:
(And straight Taylor is almost always poor written with shitty partners where, like in deputy, the aegis relationship was forced as fuck and contributed nothing to the story as opposed to lesbian Taylor who is generally better written)
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Ok I don't wanna get stuck on this topic, but this pisses me off. The sexuality does not denote how well written something is. It's the writers. They decide that. If the writer can't do romance well then they shouldn't bother, and another thing. That is subjective, and it's anecdotal.

That is all I'm willing to say on this subject because it gets heated.
 
Slaggedfire said:
. The sexuality does not denote how well written something is. It's the writers. They decide that. If the writer can't do romance well then they shouldn't bother, and another thing.
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On that we agree. The problem is some authors feel like since Worms original tone is grimdark they must follow that tone and what better way than to force a love interest and have them killed off. There's nothing wrong with writing a grimdark story, there's a lot wrong where you force the tone instead of letting it flow organically.
 
Let's get back on the rails yeah? It's been three pages since the post that started this whole thing so move on, start a thread about the topic and drop the link for others, or move to PMs or something. Please.

Edit: :ninja:
 
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One of my favorite bits of in Cyberpunk 2077 is Claire is trans and V doesn't remark on it at all. Like, yeah ok. But then Claire mentions she has no chrome at all and he's shocked! How can you not replace your eyeballs with cyber eyes! In a transhumanist society, gender doesn't matter as much.

Although there is one funny detective mission where a man suspects his wife cheated on him because his kids look like someone else. It turns out his wife had a total body work done, so she doesn't look anything like her genetic kids.
 
So, anyone wonder what potential situations might pop up because of Taylor's suspected familial connection on her mother's side? Or any thoughts about that fact in general? Like hoping the connection does or does not exist?

I mean Wakako at least seems to think it might be valid, and so do Taylor's bosses.
 
AzrielIlluminare said:
So, anyone wonder what potential situations might pop up because of Taylor's suspected familial connection on her mother's side? Or any thoughts about that fact in general? Like hoping the connection does or does not exist?

I mean Wakako at least seems to think it might be valid, and so do Taylor's bosses.
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I've already said my thoughts. It's a red herring and everyone is falling for it.
 
I'm surprised that Taylor would choose red for her nails. I would think that she would have picked up that with her normal dark wardrobe, she's now recreated the corporate colors of Arasaka. Sure, she's no longer officially linked with Militech, and I don't see her liking the slightly kitsch look that having Militech yellow as an accent color. But not even a little consideration about whether she is skirting too close to a corps look, or grumbling that Arasaka took the classiest color palette?
As an IRL concern, the giant winter storm hitting most of the US is probably slamming hospitals and making flying hell. I wish good deicing, magically clear visibility, and heated cockpits to all our air ambulance pilots.

Araurlis said:
Still surprised that she hasn't had her Shard develop the ability to grow them internally and without surgery. Still, once she does have them I suppose she could have the Shard develop auto-regeneration so they don't have to be replaced.
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I think that sort of generic regeneration is more the territory of Panacea. Her Shaper shard is biokinesis, ie. manipulation of existing organic matter. Taylor's shard is budded from Bonesaw's original shard Chirurgeon, which as the name suggests, is the power of surgery. Implanting her nails fits better with the theme of both her shard and the setting.
 
Lanthanoid Slime said:
I'm surprised that Taylor would choose red for her nails. I would think that she would have picked up that with her normal dark wardrobe, she's now recreated the corporate colors of Arasaka. Sure, she's no longer officially linked with Militech, and I don't see her liking the slightly kitsch look that having Militech yellow as an accent color. But not even a little consideration about whether she is skirting too close to a corps look, or grumbling that Arasaka took the classiest color palette?
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I can see her overlooking it because she's not a native?

Plus it's funnier if it creates confusion later.
 
Lanthanoid Slime said:
I'm surprised that Taylor would choose red for her nails. I would think that she would have picked up that with her normal dark wardrobe, she's now recreated the corporate colors of Arasaka. Sure, she's no longer officially linked with Militech, and I don't see her liking the slightly kitsch look that having Militech yellow as an accent color. But not even a little consideration about whether she is skirting too close to a corps look, or grumbling that Arasaka took the classiest color palette?
As an IRL concern, the giant winter storm hitting most of the US is probably slamming hospitals and making flying hell. I wish good deicing, magically clear visibility, and heated cockpits to all our air ambulance pilots.


I think that sort of generic regeneration is more the territory of Panacea. Her Shaper shard is biokinesis, ie. manipulation of existing organic matter. Taylor's shard is budded from Bonesaw's original shard Chirurgeon, which as the name suggests, is the power of surgery. Implanting her nails fits better with the theme of both her shard and the setting.
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I was surprised Taylor didn't just go for a pale pink or something similar. Some more neutral colors that aren't obvious.


Adding this image so people can see what I'm talking about.
 
Lanthanoid Slime said:
I'm surprised that Taylor would choose red for her nails. I would think that she would have picked up that with her normal dark wardrobe, she's now recreated the corporate colors of Arasaka. (...) But not even a little consideration about whether she is skirting too close to a corps look, or grumbling that Arasaka took the classiest color palette?
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Nyvis said:
I can see her overlooking it because she's not a native?

Plus it's funnier if it creates confusion later.
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Plus, Arasaka isn't the only Corp that uses black/red, Kendachi (Kenshiri-Adachi) also use black/red sometimes as an example.

Edit: And Arasaka sometimes uses white/red, which a bunch of other MegaCorps also use.
 
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SpiraSpira said:
As it stood, I might still need to remove them if I ever got a boyfriend and made it past second base. I mean... some of the romance books I had read indicated that sometimes the girl might scratch the boy's back... you know... in her... fervour. It would really kill the romance if I found someone I liked and then accidentally paralysed him, including their diaphragm, in flagrante delicto.

The chemical produced by these small bioactive pads would tend to stop even the muscles a person used to breathe at high doses, so they would require rather prompt medical assistance or a counter agent, which I figured I would start carrying in a small EpiPen-like dispenser. That would be so embarrassing.

Oh, who was I kidding? It wasn't like I would likely find anyone that wanted to date me any time soon anyway. Or ever.
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... Taylor do you not realize anything?

You are a young woman who has received tasteful and subtle bio sculpting whose preferred style of dress is, if Meredith in 2077 any indication, what I like to refer to as "Step on me Mommy, military casual." One who moonlight as a mercenary who alongside her impressive, but not obvious Cyberware set up makes use of monowire, which you noted was seen as a weapon for femme fatales and just added killer red nails to the mix. Yet you are also a doctor who consistently shows your inner kindness by going out of your way to save lives when other would not and are constantly showing hints you are more then you seem on the surface.

I'm sorry honey but whether you intended it or not you are a femme cyberpunk fatale! The only thing to determine is who you are going to have your eventual dramatic romance with!

My bet is on her meeting Yorinubu Arasaka at some point and bonding over their days on the street trying to find freedom from the corporate world. Then it develops into a romance that pisses of his dad because his son daring to date an American Millitech dependent girl because of he is still an old, spiteful bastard angry about Japan losing World War 2. Meanwhile the two of them are torn in two as they try to find peace between Yorinubu's willingness to do whatever it takes to destroy his father's empire and Taylor's desires to be a hero.

But the point is that you are getting a boyfriend at some point whether you like it or not.
 
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