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I find the resistance to Taylor being just straight somewhat annoying, not because I have a problem with her being bisexual but because it is very difficult to find stories written from a straight (not asexual) female point of view outside romance novels.

Because, frankly, both male writers and male readers are resistant to it. Which is... I'm not gonna lie, if your masculinity is threatened by reading or writing about some girl admiring a guy's abs, or talking sweet to a guy, and or even getting laid? I think you need to get over yourself. Skim through it if you want, but don't try to harangue authors into turning everything you read into yuri because you can't deal with female sexuality like some kind of Victorian blueblood or 1950s Puritan.

I guarantee you, many people have to deal with living in a straight-male world without being straight-male and it ain't fun. You can weather a bit of straight-female POV without exploding.
TheEldritchNight said:
I personally think she's Bi mostly because her mother was a Lustrum recruit and at least a little of that would have rubbed off on her.
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Lustrum was about women's lib and against the patriarchy, not about LBTQ. Big difference.

Women can want to have defacto as opposed dejure equal rights, or want to go after men exploiting or abusing women, without them being lesbians or bisexuals. And before you say it, Annette left because of the escalating violence, not because anyone in Lustrum's movement would have a problem with her dating or marrying Danny.
 
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TheEldritchNight said:
I personally think she's Bi mostly because her mother was a Lustrum recruit and at least a little of that would have rubbed off on her.
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I dunno man, believing a sexuality can be learned is kinda messed up. Same logic conversion therapy works on.

On the chapter itself it wil be interesting to see what Wakako wants going forward. Don't think 6th street will be too opposed to Gloria setting up shop in her own megabuilding.
 
drake_azathoth said:
I find the resistance to Taylor being just straight somewhat annoying, not because I have a problem with her being bisexual but because it is very difficult to find stories written from a straight (not asexual) female point of view outside romance novels.

Because, frankly, both male writers and male readers are resistant to it. Which is... I'm not gonna lie, if your masculinity is threatened by reading or writing about some girl admiring a guy's abs, or talking sweet to a guy, and or even getting laid? I think you need to get over yourself. Skim through it if you want, but don't try to harangue authors into turning everything you read into yuri because you can't deal with female sexuality like some kind of Victorian blueblood or 1950s Puritan.
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Assuming an awful lot there aren't you. Surprising as it may be I can both prefer Taylor to be Bi, and still enjoy reading straight romance from a female perspective. Generally male authors are crap at writing it, but like with all writing when it's done well it doesn't really matter what the content is. I'll admit to preferring f/f stuff, but a good book is a good book.

I genuinely think the worm fandom has latched so hard onto sticking Taylor with women because basically all the male characters in Worm in her age group are either non-entities in the story, bland, or shit people. Granted that describes a lot of the female characters too, but at least they usually have development. At this point it's just part of a lot of people's fanon view of Taylor, I wouldn't hate her being in a relationship with a guy, but I would need there to be actual build up and character development on both sides to really care about it. Like I could not give less of a shit about Grue as her boyfriend in canon, and it's because their relationship was very unhealthy and got almost no development, not because he was a guy. Currently the only character in fic with any level of development or interaction with Taylor is Gloria. Combined with the general Worm fandom culture and them being paired by people isn't that surprising.

Honestly this story doesn't really need romance at all. If the author isn't confident in their ability to write it I would rather it just take a back seat to other plot points.

Edit: I agree with you on the Lustrum bit though, from what I remember her Mom was a member when it was more of a woman's rights group before they moved up to targeted violence. That doesn't have much to do with sexuality, and was well before Taylor was born.
 
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highmongrel said:
I dunno man, believing a sexuality can be learned is kinda messed up. Same logic conversion therapy works on.

On the chapter itself it wil be interesting to see what Wakako wants going forward. Don't think 6th street will be too opposed to Gloria setting up shop in her own megabuilding.
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Not learned, just that her mother didn't care who she dated as long as she loved them
 
The Destroyer said:
Currently the only character in fic with any level of development or interaction with Taylor is Gloria.
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Honestly it seems like Jin has an equal amount if not slightly more than Gloria. Jin went from potential enemy slum lord to decent chummy guy to professional friendly associate. Gloria went from coworker with kid to business partner. Maybe some people get more out of Gloria due to her being in the show but having not seen it she's just kinda there.
 
On the topic of Sexuality....

We're in Night City in 2077. What even IS a sexual preference? You can have a full functional gender change in under a week for a few k, anyone can implant a Mr Stud/Lady implant....

Someone might have a specific part they prefer, but the line between Bi/Straight is more of a suggestion than a rule...

(edit) Admitedly Taylor is from a different time, but that doesn't mean if someone is interested in her, that they couldn't change their body to be more attractive to her.
 
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Vrenze said:
Honestly it seems like Jin has an equal amount if not slightly more than Gloria. Jin went from potential enemy slum lord to decent chummy guy to professional friendly associate. Gloria went from coworker with kid to business partner. Maybe some people get more out of Gloria due to her being in the show but having not seen it she's just kinda there.
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I disagree with that. Gloria gets a bit of a boost from being a canon character, but she has a larger role in multiple chapters, more scenes interacting with Taylor, and a much higher amount of implied time spent with her. She was her sole direct co-worker for almost a year.

Jin only has like two scenes and almost no implied time.

As part of a shipping discussion, one is a single genuinely nice person in her early 20's with similar interests, the other is...not that. It should be pretty obvious why Mr. Jin isn't being forwarded as a candidate in thread. I think Bandbox has a better shot and I've been reading him as old enough that would be pretty creepy. Even Gloria is kind of old for her honestly, but they've been interacting as co-workers/equals for a while and Taylor is handling enough of a load of responsibilities you can't really call her a child by the time she reaches 18.

That said I don't really see romance being a big part of this story, Cool Aunt Taylor is the most likely outcome here for David to be a sassy teenager to.
 
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I nodded at her, "Sure. I never intended to be doing it, really, but I wasn't born a Corpo for nothing. I can certainly help you sketch out a business plan. One of the biggest issues is..." I paused and glanced at the other people in the van and coughed, "Well, I'll tell you when I get back to Night City."
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I suppose she needs to help Gloria to negotiate with 6th Street. Help her get set up right and proper and minimize potential issues. I think the gangers won't mind as a medic on hand as long as they get their tax.
 
ChaosTheVoid said:
I suppose she needs to help Gloria to negotiate with 6th Street. Help her get set up right and proper and minimize potential issues. I think the gangers won't mind as a medic on hand as long as they get their tax.
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Biggest issue there would be the gang pushing her to become more involved. Taylor got really lucky in that she genuinely helped the Tyger Claws out of a massive bind they weren't aware of, and the one interacting with her was reasonable. Their warped sense of honor basically prevents them from fucking with her and she's not important enough to break that over.

What type of gang are 6th Street? If they don't have a similar culture it could go bad. It could also be pretty sustainable if they're reasonable and just want their tax.
 
The Destroyer said:
Biggest issue there would be the gang pushing her to become more involved. Taylor got really lucky in that she genuinely helped the Tyger Claws out of a massive bind they weren't aware of, and the one interacting with her was reasonable. Their warped sense of honor basically prevents them from fucking with her and she's not important enough to break that over.

What type of gang are 6th Street? If they don't have a similar culture it could go bad. It could also be pretty sustainable if they're reasonable and just want their tax.
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6th Street likes to preach good ol' American values. They like to style themselves as vigilantes looking out for their community, keeping law and order.

Of course they did start out that way and have been degenerating since.

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In 2064 I think the 6th weren't even a gang yet. They formed after Night City broke away as a Protection Gang against Arasaka.

I'll check the screamsheets to verify the history
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They were founded by 4th Corporate War veterans, so that was a considerable time ago.
 
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Hm, indeed. Founded by 4th war vets. For some reason I thought they were founded by vets of the Night City war.

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6th Street

6th Street is a gang operating in Night City. The uniforms of 6th Street gangers were heavily influenced by military and patriotic accents: military boots, tactical vests and knee pads, cargo pants, baseball caps with NUSA flags, stars, stripes, and eagles. Cyberware used by the gang include...
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Looks like they started turning away from being a protection gang about 20 years before the current story. So no idea how they'd be in this story.

In 2077, the NCPD had this to say about their area
NCPD Threat Level
WARNING: The NCPD has issued a warning about a vigilante force active in Santo Domingo known as the 6th Street Gang. Though the veterans who fill its ranks claim they protect their neighborhood from hostiles, the NCPD has received numerous reports of their involvement in typical gang activities, including but not limited to protection rackets and armed robbery.
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So an average level of Danger for Night City I guess?
 
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I personally hope there isn't going to be any romance in this story at all.
One night stands to relax and de-stress are okay, but an entire separate plotline dedicated to her love life is going to ruin the story.
 
Dakkah said:
True, true, yet not every pilot is going to be rocking a fire wall or Self-ice at Tays level. And this Taylor is rather proactive when it comes to soothing her paranoia.

Though admittedly, I hadn't even thought of the pilots question as anything but a throw away line or a nod to Spira's own profession.

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Probably would depend on when and how she made em, I barely know anything about CP's lore, but in a setting like this I would be surprised if she was the only one dabbling or experimenting with extra limbs or tools.
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I was thinking about Doc Ock Tentacles and Mechadendrites....

Made me remember a Machine from UK Sonic the Comic (Fleetway)

Called the Octonought, it had Tentacles which could detach from the Main Body, they would then operate like independent Mecha Danger Noodles!

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Octonaught

Octonaught, also formatted Octo-Naught, is an object that appears in the Sonic the Comic series published by Fleetway Editions. It is an octopus-shaped sea craft controlled by Captain Claw. Claw uses the Octonaught to patrol the waters of the Mobian Channel. The Octonaught resembles a giant...
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Maybe Taytay could get Tentacles that Detach to become Snek Robots too?
 
SpiraSpira said:
Thank god I could use my sleep-inducer again
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I thought Taylor didn't bring her sleep-inducer (my thought is that the camp had a list of banned items so why would Taylor bring it in the first place)

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did require me to synthesise it a number of times on tape or BD to include that with the payoff along with directions.
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How is tape and BD require to synthesize drugs
Also, change synthesise to synthesize

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at a small chihuahua who was growling and worrying at the shoe of a dead dognapper.
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why would the dog be worrying
Also, "growling at the shoe of the dead dognapper."
 
SpiraSpira said:
Taylor's still not quite seventeen, so there won't be any romance for a while, but I did like that Omake so I put it on the threadmarks. :D

I do think its pretty obvious that canon Taylor is straight though.
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...I mean, she WAXES POETICALLY after every female's appearance in canon, even if she only dates Brian for a little while. You could argue that is Wildbow's biases, but I prefer the "Emma was her first crush" theory.
soulreaper22 said:
How is tape and BD require to synthesize drugs
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It will be included in "selling the production" packet as part of the proof that it works.
 
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