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[X] Pray
Hubris is a coward's word.
Hubris is a coward's word.
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Revolution (RWBY Planeswalker Blake)
- Thread starter Alivaril
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- He/Him
Would that be a Big Bang?
Sure, but black is all about personal power. Any Black entity that tries to offer you something has another motive. That motive might end up being fairly harmless to you, and may even help you, but making a deal with anything in Black WILL have side effects. You might not see them for years down the line, but they are there.
Alivaril
On a magically-deficient journey of self-discovery
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Pray is correct.
IC: Blake is fairly certain that the Grimm are not what was singing in her dreams. Part of that is admittedly how much trouble she has with imagining them singing, and much of the rest is that they don't seem like the sort to wait for an invitation.
OOC: "You were expecting help but got us, the Grimm!" would honestly be a terrible plot twist. I mean, that's basically unleashing an apocalypse that overrides the preexisting traits of a given plane from one choice.
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Probably still a better idea to wait to Pray until we are either desperate or a lot stronger. Because it sounds like we'll want a definitive target to point... whatever it is at, and probably some way to put it back into a box once its done if it turns out uncontrollably murderous.
If you must deal with demons, always keep enough demon-slaying equipment on hand to get rid of them if you need to.
If you must deal with demons, always keep enough demon-slaying equipment on hand to get rid of them if you need to.
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
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- Your nightmares.
This is SV. Even if you were joking, that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't consider it.I...was making a joke? Tongue in cheek, as evidenced by theemoji in my post?
Guilty as charged, with the former one. Especially when I'm a little bit over-excited.
...Let me rephrase that: you got any likely interpretations? Because I'm fairly certain those aren't concepts the people (and assorted dark entities) of this version of Earthland would be familiar with. I don't think they even have horseless carriages yet.
...I guess? But I don't find that too likely. For multiple reasons, the first of which being that crossing the Blind Eternities isn't easy for non-'walkers, and I think we'd have noticed some sort of mobile demi-plane that could bridge the gap between worlds or whatever would be involved there. And if they did have that, why would they need Blake, specifically, to conjure them. They seem to have no trouble visiting Remnant as they please.
Secondly, why in the name of The Black Goat of the Woods With a Thousand Young would the Grimm expect Blake to be okay with summoning them? Yeah, I know, Cinder and her goons are fine with working with the Grimm. But Blake considered being a Huntress, so I doubt she's cool with summoning and commanding a force of monsters that have threatened her life since she was a child.
Finally, why would the Grimm even want to come to Earthland in the first place? I'm fairly sure the apex of the local fauna would tear the most powerful Grimm to tiny pieces. Also, here be Gods. Lots of them. I don't think they'd appreciate the s of some outsider butting into their sandbox.
World=/=Planes. They likely travelled to either a new dimension (not the same as a plane) or a different planet. And, if the Grimm were from outside Remnant...why didn't we see that Plane when we were in the Blind Eternities? Casual extraplanar travel isn't exactly easy for those without a Spark, Eldrazi not withstanding.
...I'm still posting the counter-arguments. I put too much effort in not to. Though I'm actually rather surprised that the Grimm would be an apocalyptic scenario for Earthland/FT. Like...this place has dragons (probably), demons, and out-and-out gods. Not to mention experiencing Lost Magic disasters that can apparently warp life and create monsters frequently enough that they'd serve to explain our cat ears, and that people make money off expeditions to the affected areas. Why would the Grimm be so much more powerful that they'd threaten that sort of world? And don't even get me started on MGLN. I would assume that the Grimm would barely be a blip on their radar, even if they overran a whole planet. For the people of Remnant, that would the most important (and final) day of their lives. For the people of MGLN, it would be Tuesday.
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Firstly, I'll note that Yawgmoth wasn't really a god (though he did possibly ascend or at least start getting treated as one). He was a normal guy who figured out a way to traverse the blind eternities at least somewhat safely, and used it to start waging a war on other planes, proving himself more effective and eventually powerful than the old planeswalkers (probably in part due to his transhumanist ideals that may have had him significantly upgraded from default human.
As for the two brothers gods, one somewhat interesting idea would be that they are actually a pair of eldrazi that were doing something similar to the canon trio with Inistrad. They showed up in ages past, acted as proper gods with none of the excess horror, shaped the world mostly to their liking, and eventually left when they got tired of how things were turning out. Grimm could potentially be akin to eldrazi spawn that were created by the Dark God, while Salem would be akin to someone corrupted by them.
If this were the case, then gathering the artifacts to call them back could essentially result in Eldritch Moon 2: Remnant Version.
Not necessarily though? Most grimm do not have the ability to make more grimm, so calling just one or two wouldn't really be an apocalypse. Really, they're almost like summons already with how they generate from mostly nothing, don't really need food or drink, do a task, then vanish when killed. Basically, as long as she doesn't summon a full grimm spawning pool, she'd probably be fine.
There's also the element of grimm only really being so offensive against humanity due to Salem controlling them. It seems rather unlikely her power would stretch to other planes, so they would be without that influence. It's possibly they would take cues from Blake as the one who summoned them (though admittedly they do have destruction as a core part of their function, so attacking things is probably required when using them).
Point is, while I'm not suggesting it needs to be grimm, there's no reason they couldn't be summoned elsewhere without dooming that plane if taking them down doesn't replace the plot of said plane.
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Alivaril
On a magically-deficient journey of self-discovery
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Sorry, I probably should've been clearer instead of using a DIO joke: yes, I was talking about calling the Grimm to the whole world rather than just a few. Blake is also pretty sure that the Grimm don't need any extra guidance to see people as prey; that's practically the whole reason for their existence.
Blake does not know how or where the Grimm spawn from. Their absence on her new world might rule out the "concentrations of negative emotion" hypothesis she formerly subscribed to.
Blake is almost completely sure that the Wizards of her current plane are, in fact, using mana supplemented by the odd bit of inefficiently-used Aura.
(Unrelated: The dice gods are clearly feeling frisky.)
EDIT: There was almost a character named Sigrid before I realized that this might not be the best of ideas. Oops.
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King Arthur
The Once and Future King
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
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- Your nightmares.
Then you shouldn't have used phrases like "fairly confident". Caveats don't mean much if you don't continue to qualify your statements or make it abundantly clear that you're speculating. When you send mixed messages, people are going to misread your statements. I'm fairly sure I saw at least a few people acting like they were true further down in the thread (particularly those worried about how much stronger Blake might be than the locals), so I'm not the only one who misread you. I do apologize for not noticing those caveats my first time around. But, whether you meant to or not, you were making confident statements based on pure supposition with very little basis in evidence, and other people were treating them as a basis for their own conclusions. That's an issue, and I think I was well within my rights to call it out as such, especially in a post where I'm dealing with others who could have been building their ideas off a misunderstanding of your post.
I also did more than just say it was wrong because it was metaknowledge/"not definitive". Which is another awful choice of phrase if you wanted to be taken as not attempting to be definitive, IMO, as it seems to imply a "but". I cited why your ideas had basically no basis in the Quest, and are purely based on one facet of canon Fairy Tail: they call the source of their Magic "Ethernano" not Mana. That was the entire foundation for your argument. Now, you're certainly allowed to have and share personal hypotheses that aren't well-grounded in the evidence. That's fine. But I don't feel that you made it clear that was what you were expressing in your first post. You expressed far more confidence in the idea than I feel it warranted. So I pointed out the flaws, albeit not as explicitly as I could have.
I will grant that I didn't express my problems with it as explicitly or clearly as I probably should have, mostly due to having other misunderstandings I wanted to handle, hence why my counter argument was so short. And, yes, because I didn't fully process all the words you had written. That's on me, for sure. If I had, I probably would have nixed the last few sentences and stuck with just:
Also, as a word of advice, don't edit your original post if you want to defend your ideas or correct misinterpretations. People are much less likely to see them if you do it that way. If Alivaril hadn't brought it up, I probably wouldn't have ever noticed. I'm happy he did, because that meant I can both correct my errors, and point out why I feel my points are/were valid. Editing also looks kinda passive-aggressive, IMO. Especially when you don't name names, but there's only one person who quoted you. Again, I doubt that's how you intended to come across, but that's how it came across to me. If I sound a bit snippy in places, that's probably why. I would suggest that, in the future, you quote the other person and respond by pointing out those sections they missed when you're aiming to clear things up. An argument/correction doesn't mean much if the intended audience misses it.
So, assuming I'm reading your byzantine terminology correctly, that table is non-standard between 10 and 90...but only 2 rolls ended up in that range, with the others being a 100 and 99 on the high end, and a 2,4 and 9 on the low. I'd ask why on earth you'd make a table like that, but I've stopped questioning why you do that sort of thing at this point. I figure that your methods of table construction are to you as the techniques I use to enable my compulsive looting habits in video games are to me: entirely rational sounding to you, and utterly baffling to everyone else.
To be fair, I don't know that avoiding character names because you used a similar one in an entirely different work is really all that necessary. It might be going a step too far, though I can see why you might want to in this particular case.EDIT: There was almost a character named Sigrid before I realized that this might not be the best of ideas. Oops.
Maybe whatever is speaking to Blake is just bad at poetry and "ray" is the best it managed to come up with that rhymes with other "-ay"s.
You should have specified useful interpretations
Perhaps the translation ability applies to meaning rather than language. When someone speaks or hears the words have meaning applied by the individual. But written language is just lines and squiggles until someone gives them meaning. Once Blake understood the word she was giving the writen word meaning and thus the translation ability kicked in. It would be interesting to see what her translation ability would do to a recording that only she could hear.
I actually really like this idea. A powerful entity that isn't malevolent, just bad at expressing itself.
But why would it translate sentence structure, of which Blake knew nothing?
Elda had begun teaching her at that point and word order is usually one of the first things you learn. Its possible that Blake simply didn't notice when that started. This idea does still fall apart a little because how could it know how to order words she doesn't already know. Could be that Elda's active attempts at teaching caused some 'meaning bleedover' or something. Or Alivaril hasn't actually thought out all the memetic implications and this doesn't actually have a solution. Or Alivaril has thought out all the memetic implications and this doesn't actually have a solution.
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
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- Your nightmares.
...The obvious joke here is "No, it's just the author who sucks at poetry", but I vaguely Alivaril having something of an alright track record there. But I could be misremembering, because the only one I recall off the top of my head is that one about stoplights.Maybe whatever is speaking to Blake is just bad at poetry and "ray" is the best it managed to come up with that rhymes with other "-ay"s.
You should have specified useful interpretations
Alivaril
On a magically-deficient journey of self-discovery
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That one wasn't actually mine; it's a meme. There is "Steampunk Musical" tho.
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King Arthur
The Once and Future King
These are both in Ignition, right?That one wasn't actually mine; it's a meme. There is "Steampunk Musical" tho.
Guess I'll have to go read that.
I would expect that "Steampunk Musical" is from the steampunk quest (Abrogation). There was a scene with a lot of poetry. No clue what the stoplight thing is, might have just been IRL between them.
Alivaril
On a magically-deficient journey of self-discovery
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- She/Her
The stoplight thing was from Sanctioned, and "Steampunk Musical" is a nickname for Abrogation. I'm certainly not going to stop you from reading Ignition, though.
EDIT: Next Revolution update is coming along at a fair pace. It's just taking a bit cuz fanboys gonna fanboy.
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Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
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- Your nightmares.
I did wonder about that, because it sounded kinda memetic. But I also vaguely recalled Googling it, not finding it for some reason, and assuming it was original. The memory is vague enough that I could just be remembering one of my stupid "far too close to IRL" dreams again.That one wasn't actually mine; it's a meme. There is "Steampunk Musical" tho.
We didn't exactly swap poetry IRL, even before Alivaril moved. I suck at it, for one thing. Turns out having a massive vocabulary doesn't necessarily help with rhyming when your primary mental indexing is based on how the words start, not how they end.
