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Revolution (RWBY Planeswalker Blake)

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Ferretshock said:
I know....next to nothing about either new setting. Good times!
Regardless, Blue's "evasion/information/misdirection/don't-like-it-change-it" focus feels more "Blake" to me than Black's "Power-at-any-cost-preferably-a-cost-paid-through-somebody-else's-sacrifice" focus.
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This quest is also going with the interpretation of Black being ambition, self-improvement, and several other essential traits. It will explicitly not be inherently evil, although it can be used for evil purposes. (You'll need to discover most color traits IC, though; as with Ignition, they may or may not line up with MTG canon trends.)

EDIT: (Disclaimer) I am not trying to support Black winning over Blue, or vise-versa. I just don't want Blue supporters to worry if it looks like Black will win. :p
 
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[X] Black
[X] Fairy Tail
It's Blake's standard colour and I want to see a non-evil interpretation. Fairy Tail because it seems lower stakes and I want an adventuring world to grow and for when Blake needs a break from Remnant stress
 
[X] Blue
[X] Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

I just fancy many of the powers of a blue, they are much more atractive for me. And I dislike magic that pushes a good person to be self sacrificing. I like my protagonists at least a little selfish.

Also, I see more potential growth in Nanoha, the friend forever with blake thing would be neat. I want a unison device if at all posible.
 
Alivaril said:
This quest is also going with the interpretation of Black being ambition, self-improvement, and several other essential traits. It will explicitly not be inherently evil, although it can be used for evil purposes. (You'll need to discover most color traits IC, though; as with Ignition, they may or may not line up with MTG canon trends.)

EDIT: (Disclaimer) I am not trying to support Black winning over Blue, or vise-versa. I just don't want Blue supporters to worry if it looks like Black will win. :p
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I was aware that Black wasn't inherently evil (even in the MTG canon it's not...it's just that from 'sacrifice brings power' it's not a far jump to 'do I have to be the one sacrificing?') but I still appreciate your clarification.

Further clarification: It's important to remember the difference between a color's traits and its theme; I was referring to theme, and I still support Blue, but I definitely see Blake as a Blue/Black Walker.
 
[X] Blue

[X] Fairy Tail

Ferretshock said:
White is Order and Stability. The SDC is a thoroughly White organization, and Blake is a rebel against it.
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I actually disagree: While the White Fang is a primarily Red organization for sure, rebelling against an unjust authority, any sufficiently large organization has large numbers of members who lean White simply because that's what is required to functionally run an organization. The difference between the SDC and the White Fang is Black/White vs Red with big ties to White (which is different, because when you combine opposing colors they tend to bring out the worst in each other, rather than the White Fang taking some White elements and adding them to the Red).

Finally, Blake is such a follower. I see Black/Blue/Red, but she definitely has strong notes of White. The MTG color system is inherently flawed anyway: I'd personally put her as White/Blue/Red, with strong notes of Black, but the reverse is fair as well.
 
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I'd rather not get into ethical debates about influence/mind control. Tons of raw magical might sound more fun.

Also, a lot of settings in Alivaril quests are pretty high tech. I wanna chill out in low tech fantasy land for a while, get Blake's feet wet walking before I try to make her run.

[X] Black

[X] Fairy Tail
 
Raphael said:
I actually disagree: While the White Fang is a primarily Red organization for sure, rebelling against an unjust authority, any sufficiently large organization has large numbers of members who lean White simply because that's what is required to functionally run an organization. The difference between the SDC and the White Fang is Black/White vs Red with big ties to White (which is different, because when you combine opposing colors they tend to bring out the worst in each other, rather than the White Fang taking some White elements and adding them to the Red).

Finally, Blake is such a follower. I see Black/Blue/Red, but she definitely has strong notes of White. The MTG color system is inherently flawed anyway: I'd personally put her as White/Blue/Red, with strong notes of Black, but the reverse is fair as well.
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Oh, it's definitely hard to neatly categorize things using MTG color theory. What you have to do is pay attention to the dominant themes and traits of whatever you're looking at. I'd paint Blake as Blue/Black (Personal Sacrifice/Ambition and "Don't Like It? Change It"), Adam Taurus as Red/Black (Anger and At Any Cost), and the White Fang as a whole as Red. The SDC I'd paint as White or White/Black (Order built through the (unwilling) Sacrifice of its workers). It's also worth remembering that MTG doesn't have anything in direct opposition. Things can be generally opposed (Green and White have the mostly-opposing themes of Civilisation vs. Law of the Jungle) but they're never wholly opposite.
 
[X] Blue
[X] Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

IDs are pretty neat, and having to deal with well-meaning adults who actually know what they're doing sounds like a good experience for her.
 
[X] Black

[X] Fairy Tail

There's plenty of examples of doing wrong right. Blake would arguably be much better than most characters for Black since she's unlikely to let it get to her head. For Blue, I could care less about exactly how much mind control Blake engages in, but I really doubt we'd end up getting to use much of blue's go-to moves due to being bogged down in debates forever.

Oh yeah, and Fairy Tail would probably give her a nice cushy world to just be and make friends, without a ton of government oversight.
 
[X] Black

[X] Fairy Tail

EVERY color is bad without balance Black is just more obvious about that bad. White without other colors or philosophies leads to totalitarian tyranny as white is Order. Just as it can be a force of justice to those without it can also be an iron fist of tyranny and Orwellian shit(Although that also requires the bad side of blue that is obsessive needs to control and plan). Green is growth but its also the element of savagery and brutalism(What's more natural than survival of the fittest). Red is passion and Drive but it is also the color of anger and if not controlled will lead to manic short sightedness and poor impulse control(and with it massive collateral damage). Black is linked to death and decay but it also represents good parts the ambition to keep going forward for a goal the ability to give anything be it other or Yourself(that IS a part of black) and the ability to turn even the most decayed and atrophied aspects' of the world into usable resources.
Blue is thoughtful and plans forward but it can lead to nothing but thought and no action or such a reliance on plans that when they fall apart are left helpless. It can also lead to obsessive knowledge gathering even when that knowledge is something out of Cthulhu simply because those too far into it cant comprehend such a thing as better left unknown.

YES black is easy to see as evil but like i said above ANY color is evil in the correct situation.
 
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[X] Black
[X] Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

As an MTG player let me clear this up. Black is not evil.

Black is selfish, it seizes power and pursues it's wants in whatever manner it sees fit. This doesn't mean you cannot be a good person, but more to say you choose to be one rather then out of duty, obligation or emotional gratification. Black is perhaps the most honest of the five colors, it doesn't hold an ideal beyond that pursuit of want and in that it doesn't care about the justifications. That is to say if you want to use necromancy to save your village or to conquer the world both are equally valid. It's amoral rather then immoral.

As a shorthand for the general attitudes I like this as an example.

White: You HURT My Friend
Blue: You hurt my friend...
Black: You hurt MY friend
Red: YOU HURT MY FRIEND!
Green: You hurt my FRIEND!

White cares about the action, blue is analytical and a bit detached, black cares about them being their's, red is emotional as hell, green protects its grouping albeit not as much as white.
 
[X] Black
[X] Fairy Tail

Fairy Tail sounds like a better place to figure out her new powers, rather than Lyrical "Friendship through Overwhelming Firepower" Nanoha.
 
Dream Logic said:
[X] Black
[X] Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

As an MTG player let me clear this up. Black is not evil.

Black is selfish, it seizes power and pursues it's wants in whatever manner it sees fit. This doesn't mean you cannot be a good person, but more to say you choose to be one rather then out of duty, obligation or emotional gratification. Black is perhaps the most honest of the five colors, it doesn't hold an ideal beyond that pursuit of want and in that it doesn't care about the justifications. That is to say if you want to use necromancy to save your village or to conquer the world both are equally valid. It's amoral rather then immoral.

As a shorthand for the general attitudes I like this as an example.

White: You HURT My Friend
Blue: You hurt my friend...
Black: You hurt MY friend
Red: YOU HURT MY FRIEND!
Green: You hurt my FRIEND!

White cares about the action, blue is analytical and a bit detached, black cares about them being their's, red is emotional as hell, green protects its grouping albeit not as much as white.
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Thank you and EVERY colour philosophy is bad in extremes the 1984 government is the worst of white and blue. Raven would be the wort of Green since her philosophy is ostensibly of the fit surviving while the weak regardless of circumstance(Law of the jungle if you died you were weak and thats what matters). Yang season 1-3 is the worst of Red, passionate to the point of stupidity and unless tempered WILL get them or other people killed. Ironwood as of recent volumes is the worst of White order bound to the point were dissent or debate is treasonous. And all colours contain the nature of being Black is simply a lot of the parts we dont like to think are necessary. Ambition CAN be bad but it can also drive a movement of change as easily as a power hungry necromancer. Selfishness can and does hurt people but its also the part that helps be able to put ourselves first rather than constantly giving till it hurts or even kills the person giving.
 
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[X] Blue
[X] Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha

I am picking this because blue is my favorite color overall and Nanoha is the only one I know anything about

I might have picked red if it was available. What quest is @Alivaril talking about?
 
[X] Black
[X] Fairy Tail

We already went to Nanoha in Ignition and while we will almost certainly not be getting anything as potent and game changing as the royal device, I'd still rather see something new than go down that old path.
 
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    • Ave Anathema said:
    EVERY colour is bad without balnce Black is just more obvious about that bad White without other colours or philosophys leads to totalitarian tyranny as white is Order just as it can be a force of justice to those without it can also be an iron fist of tyranny and orwellian shit(Although that also requires the bad side of blue that is obsessive needs to control and plan) Green is growth but its also the element of savagery and brutalism(Whats more natural than survival of the fittest) Red is passion and Drive but it is also the colour of anger and if not controlled will lead to manic short sightedness and poor impulse contro(and with it massive collateral damage) Black is linked to death and decay but it also represents good parts the ambition to keep going forward for a goal the ability to give anything be it other or Yourself(that IS a part of black) and the ability to turn even the most decayed and atrophied apsects of the worldinto usable resources
    Blue is thoughtful and plans forward but it can lead to nothing but thought and no action or such a reliance on plans that when they fall apart are left helpless. It can also lead to obsessive knowledge gathering even when that knowledge is something out of cthulu simply because those too far into it cant comprehend such a thing as better left unknown
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    You, uh - you might want to invest in some punctuation. You use one period in 240 words and have a number of spellcheck-caught typos besides. The legibility issues make it much less likely that people will bother to read your points, and harder to read when they do decide to take that time. (Pseudo-edit: And your next post isn't really any better. Have you considered using bullet-point lists?)


    Before people get too far into the color debate, I'd like to note that the colors of MTG will not perfectly line up with the colors in this quest. Specifically because I don't want to let the thread get consumed by arguments over what trait belongs to what color, among other reasons. :p

    For those who didn't read Ignition, please also be aware that looking for specific cards and the costs of those cards will not help you. This actually works in your favor most of the time - many effects won't even cost a full mote of mana. (EDIT: And she doesn't have "cards" or a deck.)

    Looking at the general summary for a given setting might help, but I try to ensure that even that won't be required; setting knowledge is not required to participate in this quest, and metaknowledge is overrated. (All the settings are AU. ALL OF THEM.)

    WheelOfFortune said:
    I might have picked red if it was available. What quest is @Alivaril talking about?
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    Ignition, what used to be the #2 quest on this site before it went on hiatus.
     
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  • Informational
    • [X] Blue
    • With red locked out, Blue is pretty much the colour of rebellion and freedom.
    [X] Esper
    • I get that it isnt happening soon, but Artifacts is a great theme for someone who doesnt want all of remnant to know she is using magic. Plus, if she ever decides to draw some red, she can go full artifice deck.

    [X] Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha
    • Partly I just dont like Fairy Tale, but also - is coming back to Remnant with all this magic knowledge a good idea when you could be bringing back a bunch of useful new aura skills that anyone could learn?
     
    Ferretshock said:
    Oh, it's definitely hard to neatly categorize things using MTG color theory. What you have to do is pay attention to the dominant themes and traits of whatever you're looking at. I'd paint Blake as Blue/Black (Personal Sacrifice/Ambition and "Don't Like It? Change It"), Adam Taurus as Red/Black (Anger and At Any Cost), and the White Fang as a whole as Red. The SDC I'd paint as White or White/Black (Order built through the (unwilling) Sacrifice of its workers). It's also worth remembering that MTG doesn't have anything in direct opposition. Things can be generally opposed (Green and White have the mostly-opposing themes of Civilisation vs. Law of the Jungle) but they're never wholly opposite.
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    While I agree that it's not direct opposition, 2-color combinations are an interesting exception. If they're allied colors, they focus on what they have in common (green and white focus on the idea of everyone contributing to a greater whole, white and blue focus on order, blue and black focus on knowledge and the price it costs, black and red focuses on self-determination, and red and green focus on instinct), but if they're enemy colors, instead they bring out traits that are typically seen as more negative, because they don't have as much in common (red and white is violent protection of order, white and black is about weighing costs and benefits to get the most for what you consider to be your in-group, black and green is specifically about death as it relates to the natural world, green and blue is about unhindered progress, blue and red is about unfettered imagination and creation). I definitely think that Blue/Black fits for Blake the best as a two-color thing tho, now that I think about it. Both White and Red kind of are the same for her, representing the reason for her cause and as the show goes on, she becomes less Red and more White.

    Ave Anathema said:
    Thank you and EVERY colour philosophy is bad in extremes the 1984 government is the worst of white and blue Raven would be the wort of Green since her philosophy is ostensibly of the fit surviving while the weak regardless of circumstance(Law of the jungle die Yang season 1-3 is the worst of Red, passionate to the point of stupidity and unless tempered WILL get them or other people killed, Ironwood as of recent volumes is the worst of White order bound to the point were dissent or debate is treasonous. And all colours contain the nature of being Black is simply a lot of the pparts we dont like to think are necesarry Ambition CAN be bad but it can also drive a movement of change as easily as a power hungry necromancer
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    Raven is a good example of Black and Green being the both of them bringing out the worst in each other, and Ironwood Black and White. Raven has simply a fatalistic belief in Survival of the Fittest, which isn't just a Green philosophy but a Black one. Assigning worth to someone based on their ability to survive and make their decisions impact the world around them is completely a Black philosophy. Similarly, Ironwood has closed in his circle. He has declared rules, and is willing to sacrifice anything to get his goals accomplished. That doesn't mean that he will kill someone for 0 gain, but if someone's life has 0 value but their death has value? He'll take it.

    On the other hand, look to Dr Merlot. He's Blue, Red and Green: Pure, unfettered creation. Very few rules, and without much of a greater design in place. His goal is to create the perfect Grimm, Grimm that can be controlled and can control other Grimm, and then something something world peace. That's just as bad as any far-Black idealogy.
     
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