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Good enough for me. Deny all the way baby. We sticking by our girl Isendral through thick and thin.
Respect Your Elders v2 - Galactic Boogaloo [Warhammer Lizardmen Quest]
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Professor Vesca
Good News Everyone!
If we leave I wont have a reason to yell in the thread anymore. It will be a travesty! A miscarriage of justice!
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
Basically anything attached to the planet - Isendral and the question of what happened to her husband, how Lauvanel and the Orks fit into it, the Ayacmanik and what their future will look like. Also some lead-on stuff like your local interstellar neighborhood being less ... spicy if you choose to go with Isendral's offer.
The Froggy Ninja
The Blade Will Never Die
He has stated that her willingness for prep work was extant.
I feel like dedicating 90% of our efforts to ensure the project goes as well as possible counts as making progress on the prep work.
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Maybe it was aimed as a way to safeguard her when Slaneesh formed? During the birth, Isha is canonically taken by Nurgle, right? Maybe he saw a future where she sees the new Chaos God forming and gets nommed and couldn't stand that outcome, so tried to save her by having her sleep through the shitstorm? Regardless of however many other people got hurt? Cuz if Isha lives, the Eldar can always regrow stronger than they were?
Only he didn't quite think through the consequences of his actions? Warmbloods thinking with things other than their brains, ya know?
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I maintain my position from 3 years ago. I am fully onboard with fucking off and leaving this planet in the hands of it's proper caretaker.
Now having said that, I would much rather a hybrid vote where we fuck of from this shithole planet and still help her.
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Do I need to bring up the prophecy again?
This is *exactly* what the fucking Prophecy is about!
We either hunker down like cowards and allow events to pass us by and thereby have certainty of survival OR we go ALL IN and go with a giant Fuck You to Chaos!
The Storm (Slaanesh's birth) cannot be controlled. It can either be allowed to pass by or, here's the important bit STOPPED IN ITS TRACKS.
Like, really guys, you are way, way WAY too pessimistic in this. Like to a astonishing extent. Do you think we have no cards to play? That we can do nothing against the Great Enemy? You think we'll be facing the enemy alone?
There's a reason why Ork mercenaries were used to hit this world instead of trying to eliminate Isendral and her husband directly.
You are seriously underestimating the power that two Eldar demi-god avatars of their respective Gods. The lead up to the Fall was outright a mid to low level civil war in the Eldar Dominion. The problem is that those opposing the Pleasure Cults never had figures or centers if power to rally around. Guess what unleashing *two* demi-Gods into current Eldar internal conflict would do?
Again: Slaanesh's birth is completely possible to stop.
It just means we need to go all in instead of trying half measures.
Either we hunker down in a isolated corner of the galaxy- or we gamble it all to shank the Warp tumor before its done gestating!
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and I would rather not stop Slaanesh's birth, as stoping it means that we will need to continue to deal with the Eldar Dominion.
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Against an individual Eldar, I think we'd stand a reasonable chance, but against an actual group or force, we're screwed.
Though Isendral is a very relevant ally on that scale, and she probably has friends she can call on if shit gets weird.
Besides, it feels like the 'person' thing to do.
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BungieONI
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I'd like to raise a point here for consideration.
We have an untapped source of Frog Fuckery in the Tomb Collective. This is where our remaining First and Second Generation's lie in the Interstice as Relic Priests and so far we haven't done much with them except generate the Prophecy and understand the Stone. And we know from WoG that the more we interact with them the more better we become at interaction - and thus the more we can understand and make use of their assistance and spooky eldritch power.
I'd say if we decline the offer, then our best move is to push hard on using them and unlocking Slann Spawning by directing the Relic Priests at Spawning Research. I don't know if we'll be able to do Tombs of Negative Space as well, but its a possibility to consider. And we were already planning on doing Slann spawning anyway and threw some of it there way this turn, so it'd be following that plot thread to its conclusion.
And as weird and sus as this situation is, he still might be.
We may be at moderate risk from Dominion Eldar fuckery, but its not necessarily from him. It might be from a fourth wacked out Eldar or something.
I think he's pretty sus and we're probably gonna have to help her fight him, but there is an alternative here to "The Clown Man is going to come spank us".
We have an untapped source of Frog Fuckery in the Tomb Collective. This is where our remaining First and Second Generation's lie in the Interstice as Relic Priests and so far we haven't done much with them except generate the Prophecy and understand the Stone. And we know from WoG that the more we interact with them the more better we become at interaction - and thus the more we can understand and make use of their assistance and spooky eldritch power.
I'd say if we decline the offer, then our best move is to push hard on using them and unlocking Slann Spawning by directing the Relic Priests at Spawning Research. I don't know if we'll be able to do Tombs of Negative Space as well, but its a possibility to consider. And we were already planning on doing Slann spawning anyway and threw some of it there way this turn, so it'd be following that plot thread to its conclusion.
Also. Lauvanel is her friend.
And as weird and sus as this situation is, he still might be.
We may be at moderate risk from Dominion Eldar fuckery, but its not necessarily from him. It might be from a fourth wacked out Eldar or something.
I think he's pretty sus and we're probably gonna have to help her fight him, but there is an alternative here to "The Clown Man is going to come spank us".
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Choose Slann. Logic, or Feeling?
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I will take the Dominion a thousand times over before willingly taking Slaanesh.
Not to mention that event being the primary reason the other 3 become active problems.
I mean fuck, the humans are still in their pre-Strife Federation era right now. We can LEGITIMATELY unfuck 40k and usher in a golden age for the galaxy.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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I'm down for committing to this if the rest of you are.
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
I'm going to clarify this as well, just because it's important.
Technically.
Accomplishing this would be extremely difficult for a variety of reasons, and personally I don't think it'll actually happen. However, there are still significant benefits to engaging in that plot line of 'interfere with the Fall of the Eldar' that would not otherwise be possible to get. Significant, setting-shaping benefits - it's just that the general message the prophecy's giving of 'don't half-ass your involvement if you try to do Eldar stuff' still applies. Either commit to it and accept the risk, or try to ride the various forms of Eldar-caused drama out as best you can.
Hence the reason for this vote at all, really - if you don't think it's worth the risk to tangle with the biggest fish in the galaxy while you're still planet bound, Isendral's offering a get out of jail free card. No penalty if you decline it, I'd just be prepared to commit to advancing that plot, even if it means such sacrilege as sub-optimal research turns.
This is not wrong. Stopping Slaanesh from being born is possible.
Technically.
Accomplishing this would be extremely difficult for a variety of reasons, and personally I don't think it'll actually happen. However, there are still significant benefits to engaging in that plot line of 'interfere with the Fall of the Eldar' that would not otherwise be possible to get. Significant, setting-shaping benefits - it's just that the general message the prophecy's giving of 'don't half-ass your involvement if you try to do Eldar stuff' still applies. Either commit to it and accept the risk, or try to ride the various forms of Eldar-caused drama out as best you can.
Hence the reason for this vote at all, really - if you don't think it's worth the risk to tangle with the biggest fish in the galaxy while you're still planet bound, Isendral's offering a get out of jail free card. No penalty if you decline it, I'd just be prepared to commit to advancing that plot, even if it means such sacrilege as sub-optimal research turns.
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Right now?
Yes actually.
I think that, right now, the Lizardmen can do fuck all about Slaanesh.
I do not think that will remain true, but we've got a fair bit of work ahead of us for that. At minimum, we need to get interstellar.
Personally im invested in following through on the lore, as i am a blatant lore whore.
In regards to slaanesh, my personal take is that i think it would be easier, and more likely to succeed not in annihilating slaanesh...but in splitting it up.
For me, i feel itd be both more manageable and plausible to act like we are lancing a boil and if we hit the right place at the right time as it were, prevent the formation of a supergod of chaos and cause a spawning of several weaker gods.
One: this would hopefullygive the eldar gods a better fighting chance as the lesser chaos gods will have to work in flawless and perfect unison to match og slaa esh's power, which is unlikely.
2: this will, again hopefully, also 'relieve the pressure' as it were when the formation happens and thus lessen it not remove the future eye of terror. The eldar dominion is going to fall either way but the less materium space that the chaos gods have access to, the better
In regards to slaanesh, my personal take is that i think it would be easier, and more likely to succeed not in annihilating slaanesh...but in splitting it up.
For me, i feel itd be both more manageable and plausible to act like we are lancing a boil and if we hit the right place at the right time as it were, prevent the formation of a supergod of chaos and cause a spawning of several weaker gods.
One: this would hopefullygive the eldar gods a better fighting chance as the lesser chaos gods will have to work in flawless and perfect unison to match og slaa esh's power, which is unlikely.
2: this will, again hopefully, also 'relieve the pressure' as it were when the formation happens and thus lessen it not remove the future eye of terror. The eldar dominion is going to fall either way but the less materium space that the chaos gods have access to, the better
IAmNotAlpharius
Not Omegan either
This seems plausible, as it's technically something that's even happened in Warhammer, with Malal being turned into Zuvassian and Necho, two weaker Chaos Gods embodying his domains rather than one stronger Chaos God with all of them
Now, I'm not sure if the question of Malal has been brought up already, or what the verdict was by Xanatos if it has, but the fact that Warhammer shows this to be possible means that it's probable we could do the same here, especially since Slaanesh hasn't even been born yet
Would I prefer to remove Slaanesh as a possibility entirely? Of course, but that seems like the tail end of improbable and bordering impossible. So I think we should try and see if it IS doable but also prep the lancing option so that if removing slaanesh fails, we can still avoid the worst of its birth. Plus, GW really didn't go into much of the Eldar pantheon prior to their fall...so in theory this would just be turning slaanesh into the darker gods of the elven pantheon from fantasy, hopefully.
Either way, the Dominion as a united and cohesive force has fallen, the eldar have gone full cenobite (pinhead) for too long and are most likely going to devolve into warring kingdoms if slaanesh doesn't come into being in the same way as canon. This can be both good and bad but honestly there are few if any things worse than Chaos and I will stand by it.
Yup, with the slaan's proven efforts in god making and our alliance with our resident avatar of Isha...i honestly think that it would be possible/probable that we can...drain the overall mass if that makes sense, into lesser gods.
Basically, instead of the ocean of concentrated debauchery, corrupted perfectionism and so on that Slaanesh becomes, we poke holes in the ocean and drain it into several seas and lakes. it has the added benefit of letting US design the lakes as it were to make sure they can't get too powerful, have control over too many domains, and so on.
This would also allow us to not have to directly interfere with the Eldar side of things as even if it doesn't fully work...it still leaves whatever is formed from the remaining mass as lesser than it would otherwise be with underlings it has to control. Still a better fighting chance for the eldar gods.
I mean, that's just crazy talk.
IAmNotAlpharius
Not Omegan either
Something else to consider is whether or not any, one, some, or none of the resulting Minor Chaos Gods would be able to still auto devour Eldar souls upon their death, because if it's a specific domain that allowed Slaanesh to do that then it's possible that only one of the Minor Chaos Gods would be able to do so, or perhaps it wouldn't even be able to do so due to being too weak
I mean, ensuring more Eldar gods survive would probably be a good start for safeguarding souls. And the Slann have a good start on studying gods.
True, but if I recall correctly, part of what allowed slaanesh to *do* that was eating the gods that handled the eldar afterlife, without that devouring, that lessens the hold slaanesh will have on eldar souls after death.
Because that's the thing, Slaanesh had TWO powerups: Its initial formation...and the eating of the eldar pantheon.
If we successfully manage to split it off or even lessen its size, it will never reach canon size and power unless things go IMMENSELY wrong.
So you most likely would have the lesser slaanesh or the corrupted god fo the dead, rather than having carte blanche over all eldar souls, would most likely go after the ones that commit deeds that it has association with, basically rather than one cohesive afterlife, you have something similar to what the elves in fantasy have with each deity having their own afterlife for those that keep to their creed.