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Respect Your Elders v2 - Galactic Boogaloo [Warhammer Lizardmen Quest]
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Xantalos
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Uuuuh I think I gave an answer to the first one a few pages after the Turn 12 threadmark, but in case I didn't, it's at least 150 less.
And, uh, the other research options that got lowered were … pretty sure a majority of them. It also unlocked a ton of new ones as well. Overall it probably saved you Slannpower in the long term from all the deductions, but I won't be able to math it out precisely until I finish this turn off.
I mean sigma manage to single handling beat a orge dragon, fight nagash and fight Morkar, there is not way a regular ass human can do that, making him a regular schmut risk to transform him into a batman: a chararter who do crazy shit because plot and yet fan love him because he is "Normal", meeeeeh
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i dont mind him being special,just not everything special has to be about the emperor
maybe a psyker?
maybe a warp god made flesh?
maybe a perpetual using his skills to ascend?
there can be other options not directly tied to emps
We know that long term exposure to runic items can change humans, as seen by Felix. Sigmar could just have been changed more than most, along with being a Chosen Champion of Ulric. Given how subtle divine spells can be in Warhammer, and how the chiefs of the proto-Imperial tribes were also originally their priests, he could well have been one of those as well and so benefited from self-cast buff spells and divine marks.
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You that the Warhammer world just has these ridiculously capable technically mortals just show up sometimes right? Aenarion, Sigmar, Nagash, Alcadizzar, Tyrion, Teclis and Grombrindal are all examples. This is also a world where divinely empowered champions and literal divine intevention are very much a thing and the Gods aren't exactly shy about empowering the likes of Magnus the Pious, Loun Leoncour, Allarielle, Grimgor Ironhide, Archaon or for that matter Gotrek and Felix.
Warhammer is very much a High Fantasy setting, legendary heroes and their evil counterparts are very much an intristic part of the setting.
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By which I mean that extreme statistical outliers (aka heroes) are just something that Warhammer Fantasy species produce. They aren't really a product of unusual or external traits like they are in 40k.
Warhammer is very much a High Fantasy setting, legendary heroes and their evil counterparts are very much an intristic part of the setting.
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By which I mean that extreme statistical outliers (aka heroes) are just something that Warhammer Fantasy species produce. They aren't really a product of unusual or external traits like they are in 40k.
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5e was in fact called herohammer because of how OP heroes and Lords were
Well, less OP, but more about how the meta was so based around characters and how to match them, in contrast to the wargame roots where unit manoeuvre had previously been more relevant.
Subsequently GW moved to a business model where they realised that incentivising very large units and big monsters made more money. A set up where a single relatively simple model can be very powerful and have high points value is too cost effective. Later editions were much more carefully balanced around the real world profitability of armies for GW.
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Sigmar is a diference case because there was hitn back them that he was a primarch when the conection between both setting was more clear: sigmar disapearing was about him being taken by the emperor, there was a knight order saying sigmar was taken by the sky, the implication was that the comet was his gestation pod,etc
Kinda and kinda not, while those mortal can grow powerfull they are by result of third party blessing there, Aenarion is strong because he got the blessing of TWO gods(which I wonder how that work in xanatos take of the setting) with a warp weapon, Alcadizzar was never nothing beyond a capable man who got a deadly weapon, Teclis and Tyrion are bless by a god, and so on.
Only nagash come close to doing by himself and that is because he pretty much become a abomination against life, which it tell you how much "do for yourselft" work in warhammer.
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Aenarion was ludicrous even before he became the Asur's designated walking apocalypse, that is why he gained the blessings in the first place. Nagash invented a completely new form of magic using only Nehekhara's native lore and scraps of knowledge about Druchii dark magic. Alcadizzar ruled and managed a massive prosperous empire consisting of the most advanced human civilisation of his era and defeated Nagash's undead armies at the near pinnacle of Nagash's power.
Many of the legendary blessed individuals were incredible before they recieved further divine blessings. Exceptional individuals in the mold of classical heroes are an inherent part of Warhammer Fantasy's thematics and lore.
Many of the legendary blessed individuals were incredible before they recieved further divine blessings. Exceptional individuals in the mold of classical heroes are an inherent part of Warhammer Fantasy's thematics and lore.
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Plus let's be honest, the Emperor would wish his sons were like Sigmar. Like would you rather have 500 pounds of genuine HRE all-natural barbarian muscle or twenty emotionally unstable GMO manchildren? If Sigmar was a Primarch the Heresy would have lasted 3 hours and ended with Sigmar throwing Emps and Horus into the Retconia before leading humanity into an era of loin cloths and flowing long hair.
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Or, to put it another way, the question you have to ask about a divinely empowered champion is:
"Did the gods empower this person so that they could achieve great things? Or did the gods sensibly decide to back a winning horse?"
Xantalos
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Yeah, one thing I'm carrying over from … I think it was Imrix I first heard this from, is that non-chaos gods require you to do a lot of the legwork a lot of the time in building up a connection to them so you can channel their powers. You've gotta emulate their legend, so to speak, but they don't chain you to it like Chaos would, so it's harder to do and depends more on the individual rather than their circumstances.
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I wonder how we're going to react to the Necrons whenever we meet them. I imagine it'll be somewhat cordial at first, even if we'll probably be kind of standoffish because of how warp-negative they are, and they'll be imperious asshole cuz, y'know, Necrons. Then, all of a sudden we start blabbering to them about being "Children of the Old Ones", and they immediately start blasting us 
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One of our questing Slann already found the original world of the necrons it seems. Another is in the webway, and if we're lucky he's currently putting webbed foot to Eldar ass in order to stymie the birth of Slaneesh.I wonder how we're going to react to the Necrons whenever we meet them. I imagine it'll be somewhat cordial at first, even if we'll probably be kind of standoffish because of how warp-negative they are, and they'll be imperious asshole cuz, y'know, Necrons. Then, all of a sudden we start blabbering to them about being "Children of the Old Ones", and they immediately start blasting us
Something to remember is that Chaos Champions have to work very hard to attract and retain the good graces of their patrons, otherwise they get killed by a rival or degenerate into spawndom. They walk a very steep, narrow path.
It's just selection/survivorship bias that means we usually hear about the very few successes rather than the very many failures.
It's just selection/survivorship bias that means we usually hear about the very few successes rather than the very many failures.
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Did the Traitor Primarchs get any stronger after they ascended to Daemon Primarchs? The different books are a bit unclear about this.
The obvious answer would be yes, but then again, Roboute seems to be soloing them 24/7 7 days long without actually suffering from the encounters.
Makes one wonder wether they actually gained anything from their deals...
The obvious answer would be yes, but then again, Roboute seems to be soloing them 24/7 7 days long without actually suffering from the encounters.
Makes one wonder wether they actually gained anything from their deals...
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Depends on the writer. Doesn't have much to do with this quest.
Aenarion become the blessing less for being exceptional and most for drawing to whatever aspect the gods demanded, let remeber that he sacrifice himself toward the flame in way to become part of Asuryan, and he was so fully enrage that he become perfect to the sword of khaine.
In general being conected to the gods means you need to be conect to a certein emotional states to be.
Considering sigmar barely conquer a polis in a time many primarch end conquerir words and lose against chaos in the end, it fit right as other primarch: as faliure, specially now in age of sigmar he took a page of the emperor with puting gold in everything.
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Quality over quantity, the Primarchs conquer worlds and 5 seconds after they fuck off to Brazil these worlds start going against every principle they have had for funsies. Sigmar conquers a country and they make him prouder and prouder every day.
Also whadya mean losing against Choas? Sigmar and his god buddies saved the world from Choas and gave the gods a papercut with the help of their magic frog friends, maybe the Primarchs could do the same if they stopped killing everything that isn't a human and took a page from Horus' book and started trying to make friends, now that's a Primarch that compares to ole' Sigmar
Which is working as intended for chaos, makes them look cooler than they actually are, thus luring more victims in.
As An Investigation into the Primarch Sigmar's Homeworld [Warhammer Fantasy x 40K] is very fond of pointing out, in many ways the other primarchs got the easy jobs.
And end times where he "loses" to chaos is often a bundle of awful writing that makes zero sense, why is Teclis of all people ripping the Vortex to pieces, Teclis of all people! (from what I've heard).
(Also, games workshop got salty and yelled 'rocks fall everyone dies, NEW SETTING' even though chaos LOST).
insert long rant about all the stupid in end times and how there's probably even more stupid I haven't heard of
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Which resulted in a order tide that FUCKED chaos up.
Shame that the forces of order could not have counter invaded the chaos gods realm and sealed it off forever, thus paving the way to a better world now that the big 4 would be gone, and the forces of order could finally heal and grow.