(+_+) @Xantalos can we fit eldar Craftworlds/Exodite Worlds/Wraithbone/Infinity Circuits with geomantic designs? Basically give any allied eldar access to our geomantic web in return for making them a node in the web? Feel like this along with fellow old one servants would really bolster them in this will-be very very shitty time to be alive xD.

Likewise could we enhance the webway with geomantic designs and such as extra warding? Is closing+reinforcing breaches in the web way viable with rituals and eldar farseers combined efforts? I'm really hoping we catch them soon after the fall and help prop them up. Because being directed to the old ones plans and rebuilding their empire with allies worthy of them would probably be a help.....orks gotta die though cause their off the reservation.
Entirely possible, if probably pretty complicated to properly pull off (say that 5 times fast). The main issue with that would likely be convincing the Eldar to let you help them. Why would they know who you are, and who are you to know better than the Firstborn Children Of Creation, Scions Of The Eternal Empire, Most Glorious etc etc. Getting past their pride, and other things.
 
Oh I know their foolish unearned at the downfall of their empire arrogance is gonna be a hurdle. But simply put we can quote the tablets at them as instructions for things from the great Masters.

Once we describe that we were created by the Masters to build great works and dick on Chaos....well considering the Chaos God/Goddess that just ran rodded them hard? They'll at least agree to non-hostilities provided we stay out of the way or meat shield for them cx. I'm just glad those are possibilities, Exodites will probably be far more receptive. But if we convince them? We can leverage them to help with the craftworlders :).
 
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Entirely possible, if probably pretty complicated to properly pull off (say that 5 times fast). The main issue with that would likely be convincing the Eldar to let you help them. Why would they know who you are, and who are you to know better than the Firstborn Children Of Creation, Scions Of The Eternal Empire, Most Glorious etc etc. Getting past their pride, and other things.
Probably by going: 'Hey we're creations of The Old Ones too, and we have Toad Mages that can bitch smack literally the collected psychic power of your entire species, have a way to design gods so you might find a way to protect your souls from the Chaos God you degenerates murder fucked into existence, WE haven't created a Chaos God of anykind, and we're even capable of eventually closing the massive warprift that, and I know I'm repeating myself here, the Chaos God you murder fucked into existence made with it's birth, and hey while we're at it we may even try and help what remains of your gods to escape the clutches of Chaos. All you have to do is, pull that wraithbone stick out your asses, lose the pride that you lost the right too around ten million years ago, put on your big boy/girl pants, AND UNFUCK YOURSELVES!'

But you know. In a more Dignified And Ancient Toad Mage Manner Of Speaking.
 
you do realize that the eldar were made (or modified) to be weapons during the war in heaven? Alongside the Krork?

just checking...but still I agree the DE needs to be exterminated, don't care about the exodites, they can stay where they are.

The craftworlds?

do you really think they are just going to roll over and let us have the tech? To compete against them for galactic dominance? Allot of young eldar born after the fall are going to want those "Glory" days back...and they all follow criminally insane farseers as well as worship literally insane eldar who lose themselves on the paths of war...

were seriously going to work with them? the only way that's going to happen is if by some random and VERY unlikely event some minor craft worlds decide this is a good idea, all the major ones are going to say fuck that to us in our faces and try to steal our tech the chance they can, especially the way's to craft gods in the warp. especially if they want to make Ynead...and we all know how THAT turned out right?!?

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@Nix's Warden that's beautiful...but it wont work because of their fucking pride...were going to have to BEAT it out of them by mind fucking screaming into their faces as we show them the full fucking fault of their existence and shatter that pride. Then we may be able to fully get shit done if we humble the eldar.

the man-emperor might even thank us for that, because blame the eldar for everything, literally!!!
(there's instances and rumors that the eldar allowed Deamons to get into the men of iron to keep the stupid monkey people from messing with their murder/orgy, thus ties into chaos and fucking eldar fuckery as well as Cabal agents screwing mankind over during the dark age and the beginning of the age of strife.)
 
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The biggest problem with the Eldar is that they were created/uplifted (IIRC there was old fluff that stated that the Old Ones actually modified an existing species to create the Eldar) solely for the War in Heaven. The Eldar feel emotions too keenly and vividly. This is perfect for being warp using soldiers meant to be psyker commandos and combat units against the Necrons and the C'tan, but in the long run they fall into decadence and they feel pleasure all too well and become sensation freaks unless they have iron will and forgo such pleasures (Exodites) or work away from the pleasure and keep themselves busy (Craftworlds).

The key to fixing the Eldar frankly is modifying their soul/body to feel emotions less vividly and thus be less likely to fall into the decadence trap.

Because as it stands they either need to mutilate their mind (which is effectively what the Craftworlds Paths system does, locking them into the paths until they master it or are lost in it), or be so busy with surviving day to day that they won't have the time to fall into the decadence trap.

Considering how Chaos God birthing works in my headcanon...
*ominous cackling in the distance*

Anything's possible, though.
Eh, to be fair, the Phoenix Lords (before they became Phoenix Lords) survived on a croneworld (or one of the worlds in the Eldar Empire) that was engulfed by daemons, sheltering for a time in an old temple that still had lingering presence of the Eldar Gods.

So presumably, shortly after the Fall there *are* places in that shithole that are shielded from Chaos for a time.
 
you do realize that the eldar were made (or modified) to be weapons during the war in heaven? Alongside the Krork?

just checking...but still I agree the DE needs to be exterminated, don't care about the exodites, they can stay where they are.

The craftworlds?

do you really think they are just going to roll over and let us have the tech? To compete against them for galactic dominance? Allot of young eldar born after the fall are going to want those "Glory" days back...and they all follow criminally insane farseers as well as worship literally insane eldar who lose themselves on the paths of war...

were seriously going to work with them? the only way that's going to happen is if by some random and VERY unlikely event some minor craft worlds decide this is a good idea, all the major ones are going to say fuck that to us in our faces and try to steal our tech the chance they can, especially the way's to craft gods in the warp. especially if they want to make Ynead...and we all know how THAT turned out right?!?
No I don't expect them to just roll over. I expect either a partnership/alliance of somekind or us putting our scaled foot to their throat and making it clear they are going to help us clean up the mess that THEY made and unleashed on the galaxy.

The only Craftworld with a stated mission to rebuild the Eldar Empire are Ulthwe, most others are just doing whatever the fuck they have to do to keep themselves and the rest of their people alive, and since you apparently don't know your lore that well The Eldar Paths don't even exist at the time of the Collapse, they aren't founded until years/decades pass by Asurman, with his initial students going on to create Paths and Shrines of their own.

Yes we are. By speaking softly and carrying a big stick.

Seriously dude, your looking at the Eldar, taking the worst possible view, and running away with it. Full Stop. Your not considering that many are going to be shocked and confused and regretful after the Collapse, that they aren't shaped by ten thousand years of peril and war from The Orks, The Necrons, The Imperium, Chaos, and all the other dangers of the galaxy, they are People, and as such have just as much capacity to be good as any human does.
 
No I don't expect them to just roll over. I expect either a partnership/alliance of somekind or us putting our scaled foot to their throat and making it clear they are going to help us clean up the mess that THEY made and unleashed on the galaxy.

The only Craftworld with a stated mission to rebuild the Eldar Empire are Ulthwe, most others are just doing whatever the fuck they have to do to keep themselves and the rest of their people alive, and since you apparently don't know your lore that well The Eldar Paths don't even exist at the time of the Collapse, they aren't founded until years/decades pass by Asurman, with his initial students going on to create Paths and Shrines of their own.

Yes we are. By speaking softly and carrying a big stick.

Seriously dude, your looking at the Eldar, taking the worst possible view, and running away with it. Full Stop. Your not considering that many are going to be shocked and confused and regretful after the Collapse, that they aren't shaped by ten thousand years of peril and war from The Orks, The Necrons, The Imperium, Chaos, and all the other dangers of the galaxy, they are People, and as such have just as much capacity to be good as any human does.
Yeah. Have to remember that immediately after the Fall what's left of the Eldar that aren't the sadistic fucks in the Webway that fled the consequences of their actions consist largely of nomadic traders and shellshocked survivors that were rescued by said traders. And the Exodites. But the Exodites are fully into their 'leave us alone' mode.

It's highly possible that we can pull a large amount of the surviving Eldar into a protectorate if we demonstrate the ability to protect them from Chaos and other dangers of the galaxy.

Hell. If we can reverse engineer and produce their soulstones then they will have no choice but to come to us as the only other choice is to commit to near suicidal expedition to gain more from croneworlds.
 
Yeah. Have to remember that immediately after the Fall what's left of the Eldar that aren't the sadistic fucks in the Webway that fled the consequences of their actions consist largely of nomadic traders and shellshocked survivors that were rescued by said traders. And the Exodites. But the Exodites are fully into their 'leave us alone' mode.

It's highly possible that we can pull a large amount of the surviving Eldar into a protectorate if we demonstrate the ability to protect them from Chaos and other dangers of the galaxy.

Hell. If we can reverse engineer and produce their soulstones then they will have no choice but to come to us as the only other choice is to commit to near suicidal expedition to gain more from croneworlds.
There is also possible research in reducing their emotional extremes, so they don't need to bind themselves to a path so much, and making either a God Of The Dead for them, or helping to pull Khaine and the other surviving Eldar Gods together as a partial pantheon.

Speaking of... @Xantalos Would it be possible for us, assuming it happens, to rescue Isha from Nurgle with a Ritual or something?

Edit: Sorry aceraptor, I had to delete and repost my response since the @ Tag for Xantalos didn't work the first time.
 
That's an extremely specific thing possibly taking place in a highly variable future. One can't really expect an answer.

It's a fantasy of the far future that's nebulous at best.
*Shrug* At worst, Xantalos says he can't share any info about that scenario because of reasons, and at best we learn something new and interesting. Either way, nothing of value is lost, so I might as well ask.
 
*Shrug* At worst, Xantalos says he can't share any info about that scenario because of reasons, and at best we learn something new and interesting. Either way, nothing of value is lost, so I might as well ask.
It's an issue when you keep asking these sorts of far off maybe/probably fantasy things. It just takes away from Xantalos' time and effort.

It's almost as troublesome as spitballing ideas.
 
It's an issue when you keep asking these sorts of far off maybe/probably fantasy things. It just takes away from Xantalos' time and effort.

It's almost as troublesome as spitballing ideas.
:rolleyes: Yeah I really don't see that being an issue, and if Xantalos does have an issue with my questions, he can just say so and I'll tone it down. Until then I'll post and ask him anything I damn well please.
 
If we end up dealing with Isha and the fantasy world isn't wrecked then I will be very interested in seeing how the Everqueen works in the larger galaxy.
 
Speaking of... @Xantalos Would it be possible for us, assuming it happens, to rescue Isha from Nurgle with a Ritual or something?
That'd likely be a campaign in and of itself, involving invading the Warp and freeing her by force. Rituals would be involved to make the endeavor possible in the first place, letting you temporarily gain territory in the warp to march your armies through.

It just takes away from Xantalos' time and effort.
I do appreciate your willingness to filter hypotheticals on my behalf, but it's really not necessary. An advantage of my excruciatingly slow writing process (I haven't written anything for like 4 days because I'm studying for a final) is that it really doesn't detract from me at all to answer lots of questions. Not that it really does when I'm writing in the first place anyhow, I like brainstorming stuff.
 
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That'd likely be a campaign in and of itself, involving invading the Warp and freeing her by force. Rituals would be involved to make the endeavor possible in the first place, letting you temporarily gain territory in the warp to march your armies through.
Sounds like a worthy Battle Turn and hype as hell.
 
That'd likely be a campaign in and of itself, involving invading the Warp and freeing her by force. Rituals would be involved to make the endeavor possible in the first place, letting you temporarily gain territory in the warp to march your armies through.


I do appreciate your willingness to filter hypotheticals on my behalf, but it's really not necessary. An advantage of my excruciatingly slow writing process (I haven't written anything for like 4 days because I'm studying for a final) is that it really doesn't detract from me at all to answer lots of questions. Not that it really does when I'm writing in the first place anyhow, I like brainstorming stuff.
Very well, sorry about that, @Nix's Warden
 
Sounds like a worthy Battle Turn and hype as hell.
Oh it'd most certainly be multiple turns. And even if that specific scenario doesn't come about, I fully intend to see a warp invasion scene of some sort come about in this quest's lifetime. It's too badass an image not to happen.

Very well, sorry about that, @Nix's Warden
Hey, you're invested in keeping this quest around, the intent wasn't bad.
 
whelp if were invading the warp we might as well have the best quality gear and units possible to do it, heck they might as well if they get lost just be wandering around killing Deamons, listening to them scream and driving the chaos of chaos before them until they get bored and decide to go back home for supplies again, And then request reinforcements because that's how the damn lizards roll.
 
I'm actually really curious how our divine template r search could interplay with the Dar developing Ynnead. Sure, the movement didn't really start developing momentum until closer to the 40th millennium from my understanding but if they can point at us and our successes programming warp deities it will probably come across as a lot more feasible. Not only is an earlier Ynnead a huge boon for anyone not chaos, but that could be one hell of a way to tie us closer to the Eldar remnants while powering them up.

And I can't imagine the Farseers wouldn't pick up on our warp constructs sooner rather than later either way.

Edit: Hmm. If the Farseers could pickup on Sotek and Friends, then the big E probably could- and in that case artificially creating a positive racial pantheon for humanity could be an alternative to him pursuing the Imperial Truth.
 
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Entirely possible, if probably pretty complicated to properly pull off (say that 5 times fast). The main issue with that would likely be convincing the Eldar to let you help them. Why would they know who you are, and who are you to know better than the Firstborn Children Of Creation, Scions Of The Eternal Empire, Most Glorious etc etc. Getting past their pride, and other things.

I was thinking that the eye of terror wasn't a planned move, it was afterbirth breaking reality. If we realized in time we might be able to do a ritual to strengthen reality enough that the rip would be smaller and repairable. The main problem being that such a ritual would likely need us to expand the web near the eye of terror where the Elder's murder sex party is happening.

So I was wondering, how exactly does future sight work. If we say crafted a ritual designed to go off as Slannesh was being born, Would their future sight notice? It feels like a ritual triggered by the birth of Slannesh would only be visible if they could see the trigger condition and if they did see Slannesh they would have other things to worry about then a ritual meant to weaken the effects of their fuckup.

The other option would be that they see a ritual that they don't understand; that seems to have no purpose or trigger being created by a primitive Xeno race without space travel. It would seem that that would create more incomprehension then danger if they got it at all.
 
"Your performance so far is unsatisfactory."

Well, we have to remenber a couple of things: for one, the old ones are dead, ether by chaos or the ygnir, second, the lizardman were defeated by chaos in the end, we denied them victory sure but we lose as well, so is not like we have the higher horse around here.
 
@Xantalos
Is obsinite psychoreactive material in any way?
Only in the sense that most stuff is, ie it can be enchanted. Its main strength as a material is that it can get obsidian-like sharpness without being brittle or prone to cracking, making it possible to have those wacky sword-axe-mace things you have be a viable weapon. But it's not particularly more resonant to psychic stuff than any other material, despite being an artificially manufactured thing.

Does give me an idea for an upgrade though.
 
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I have to ask...Is Malal canon to this quest? I always have a liking to the old fucker so I will like to battle their demons so for the sake of it.
 
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