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Renascence: A Homura Quest

Honorifics or Western-style Titles? I've used both before, which is bothersomely inconsistent

  • Japanese Honorifics (-san, -sama, -dono, -chan, -kun, -senpai, etcetera)

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • Western Titles (Mister, Miss, job titles, Lord, Lady, etcetera)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Use whichever works better for a given sentence.

    Votes: 24 66.7%
  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
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justinkal said:
Ahh. I thought it meant she currently has all those abilities simultaneously.

I generally think of Rebellion as her canonical strength.
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My headcanon is that Rebellion combat is basically what you see when Magi don't have to manage their Corruption. So Mami can create giant cannons and otherwise burn tons of magic, Kyouko and Sayaka can perform over-the-top combination attacks, etcetera. They could have done that kind of thing in the series too, but it would have drained their magic so quickly that they'd burn through it faster than they could acquire Grief Seeds.

As for pure skill? Yeah, Mami's just that awesome. Anyone besides a time manipulator or similar (Homura, Kirika, and Oriko come to mind) would be put down in seconds if Mami was focused, calm, and in full kill mode. Luckily for everyone, she's rarely in all three of those states at once while fighting Magi.
 
justinkal said:
Mami was also holding back.
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Yeah, sure, but Homura was holding back more!/petulantarguing/jk

No, but seriously, I'm not going to try to start an argument, but...I find it incredibly stupid that someone with Homura's utterly insane amount of experience would lose against someone that has significantly less. And it's not even just that; Homura has the sum total of every single time she's fought Mami before as back-up. Mami doesn't have the same for Homura.

Again, I would like to reiterate that I'm not trying to start an argument, but that I just find that some things in Rebellion...break my SOD. This isn't really on topic, though, so I'm keeping it short.
 
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ApocalypticFish said:
Yeah, sure, but Homura was holding back more!/petulantarguing/jk

No, but seriously, I'm not going to try to start an argument, but...I find it incredibly stupid that someone with Homura's utterly insane amount of experience would lose against someone that has significantly less. And it's not even just that; Homura has the sum total of every single time she's fought Mami before as back-up. Mami doesn't have the same for Homura.

Again, I would like to reiterate that I'm not trying to start an argument, but that I just find that some things in Rebellion...break my SOD. This isn't really on topic, though, so I'm keeping it short.
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The thing about Homura is that while she has experience with Time Stop and weapons, she really can't do that much else. Compared to the other Magical Girls, she has the least flexible skillset.

It's also been confirmed by Gen Urobuchi himself that Homura is only the strongest when no one knows about how she uses her powers as shown by the eighth answer here. Once they do and know how to counter it, Homura's advantage is significantly lessened.
 
JarringToaster said:
The thing about Homura is that while she has experience with Time Stop and weapons, she really can't do that much else. Compared to the other Magical Girls, she has the least flexible skillset.

It's also been confirmed by Gen Urobuchi himself that Homura is only the strongest when no one knows about how she uses her powers as shown by the eighth answer here. Once they do and know how to counter it, Homura's advantage is significantly lessened.
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First, Gen Urobuchi said that she is the strongest when no one else knows about her abilities. He never says that's the only time when she is the most powerful. I know that's not the point you're trying to make, and I can understand that line of reasoning, but don't say that he said that. Because he didn't.

In any case, actually on topic; Higure, if we were to just vote to meet Yuuko, like we've been given the chance to do several times, would we automatically get the sake we need for the business card, or...?

EDIT for clarification: would Homura get some sake of her own volition if we decided to go visit Yuuko?
 
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ApocalypticFish said:
First, Gen Urobuchi said that she is the strongest when no one else knows about her abilities. He never says that's the only time when she is the most powerful. I know that's not the point you're trying to make, and I can understand that line of reasoning, but don't say that he said that. Because he didn't.

In any case, actually on topic; Higure, if we were to just vote to meet Yuuko, like we've been given the chance to do several times, would we automatically get the sake we need for the business card, or...?

EDIT for clarification: would Homura get some sake of her own volition if we decided to go visit Yuuko?
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She'd get enough to meet Yuuko, but she wouldn't bring along any extra...and only if she can readily do so. Vote to go visit Yuuko while Homura has no good way to get Sake, and Homura will just shrug and skip that action (or I'll just veto it). A specific plan for getting Sake, however, might let you do it despite significant inconvenience.
 
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Higure said:
A specific plan for getting Sake, however, might let you do it despite significant inconvenience.
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Hm. We don't have any of-age allies yet, so unless we can con Sayaka's mom into buying some we're probably stuck cheating with magic: Kyouko's illusions or Homura's five-fingered discount.

Actually, have we went around robbing any Yakuza weapons caches in this Quest yet? They should have plenty of booze lying around.
 
AzureGhidorah said:
An NPC introduced early has demanded a bottle of sake every time Homura wishes to meet and chat with her.
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Ah yes, I remember something along thouse lines... It was some weird women, and she offered us some sort of faustian bargain, right?

Also she turned Sayaka in some sort of EMIYA wannabe... Or was this some other quest that did that?.. Damn I need "previously in this thread" section so bad!
 
B_mod said:
Ah yes, I remember something along thouse lines... It was some weird women, and she offered us some sort of faustian bargain, right?

Also she turned Sayaka in some sort of EMIYA wannabe... Or was this some other quest that did that?.. Damn I need "previously in this thread" section so bad!
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You've got the right quest.

Though Sayaka's less "EMIYA Expy" at the moment and more "Hearing EMIYA's voice because freaky EMIYA sword". Pretty much guaranteeing she'll gain his skills though.

EDIT: Although she can see more then just the history of swords, since she saw Homura's past one time when she looked at her. Pretty sure it was Homura directly and not one of her guns because, well, she was hit with the Bag of Spilling and doesn't have any weapons that don't come from this loop. Homura was also in civilian form so the shield wasn't out at that time.

.... now that I think about it... might wanna blue truth something about Homura possibly seeing herself as just a weapon at this point and see what Higure says, if anything. I don't know...
 
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AzureGhidorah said:
.... now that I think about it... might wanna blue truth something about Homura possibly seeing herself as just a weapon at this point and see what Higure says, if anything. I don't know...
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EMIYA's magic don't work like that...

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Meh, might as well...

Homura intentionally or unintentionally changed her Origin into something close enough to a weapon/had such origin to begin with, and that was enough for someone with EMIYA powerset to get a read on her.

Homura was recorded in UBW.

It is posibble for Sayaka to became profitient enough with EMIYA powers to trace Homura.


I have no regrets/
This is the only path...
 
B_mod said:
EMIYA's magic don't work like that...

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Meh, might as well...

Homura intentionally or unintentionally changed her Origin into something close enough to a weapon/had such origin to begin with, and that was enough for someone with EMIYA powerset to get a read on her.

Homura was recorded in UBW.

It is posibble for Sayaka to became profitient enough with EMIYA powers to trace Homura.


I have no regrets/
This is the only path...
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I know EMIYA's magic doesn't work like that. But we're not talking about EMIYA, we're talking about Sayaka who is gaining EMIYA-like powers. So we can probably consider old restrictions tossed out the window, but have to beware potential new ones in their place.
 
justinkal said:
Note to self. Don't let Mami find out about Gilgamesh.
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She already is capable of doing that.
TheEyes said:
Hm. We don't have any of-age allies yet, so unless we can con Sayaka's mom into buying some we're probably stuck cheating with magic: Kyouko's illusions or Homura's five-fingered discount.

Actually, have we went around robbing any Yakuza weapons caches in this Quest yet? They should have plenty of booze lying around.
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No, that's why we have no r
Dakka.at.the moment.

We really should get around to that.
B_mod said:
Ah yes, I remember something along thouse lines... It was some weird women, and she offered us some sort of faustian bargain, right?

Also she turned Sayaka in some sort of EMIYA wannabe... Or was this some other quest that did that?.. Damn I need "previously in this thread" section so bad!
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Yuuko a qt m8 Ill cut U!

Eh I kinda like her deals and the potential for bullshit she brings.
 
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"Someone's going to get sacrificed, at this rate."


...so yeah, no update tonight. My phone's keyboard is not suited for that amount of typing, nor for creative work (yay, mobile firefox glitches!).


I'll give a formal Red later, but in regard to Homura being readable by Archer/Sayaka...Homura's end endless struggle has made her more swordlike, sufficiently for UBW to get *something* from her, but she's far too complex for UBW to grasp her full nature.

That said, even this much is beyond the reach of Shirou's Magecraft. Things work a bit differently in this universe, however.
 
Higure said:
I'll give a formal Red later, but in regard to Homura being readable by Archer/Sayaka...Homura's end endless struggle has made her more swordlike, sufficiently for UBW to get *something* from her, but she's far too complex for UBW to grasp her full nature.

That said, even this much is beyond the reach of Shirou's Magecraft. Things work a bit differently in this universe, however.
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Blue Truth time!
  1. Rho Aias is a shield. Rho Aias can be recorded and reproduced in the Reality Marble known as Unlimited Blade Works (UBW). UBW can record and reproduce shields.
  2. Homura's time-magic comes from her shield.
  3. UBW can record and reproduce Homura's shield.
  4. Said reproduction would retain its time-magic capabilities.
  5. UBW can record and reproduce the weapons created by Magical Girls (e.g. Kyouko's spears, Madoka's bow, Mami's muskets/cannons).
  6. Said reproductions would retain their magical capabilities (e.g. segmentation/elongation, energy arrows/anti-Witch arrows, dakkadakkadakka).
 
Sasha said:
Blue Truth time!
  1. Rho Aias is a shield. Rho Aias can be recorded and reproduced in the Reality Marble known as Unlimited Blade Works (UBW). UBW can record and reproduce shields.
  2. Homura's time-magic comes from her shield.
  3. UBW can record and reproduce Homura's shield.
  4. Said reproduction would retain its time-magic capabilities.
  5. UBW can record and reproduce the weapons created by Magical Girls (e.g. Kyouko's spears, Madoka's bow, Mami's muskets/cannons).
  6. Said reproductions would retain their magical capabilities (e.g. segmentation/elongation, energy arrows/anti-Witch arrows, dakkadakkadakka).
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Just remember that said reproductions, if these are true, are inferior to the original.

... Actually wait, if there is no... Ah I forget what the spirit's name is, but the one that rejects the application of Magecraft making it weaker the longer its around without extra prana being supplied. If it's not around then my first comment might actually be false in this case. I'd blue truth it myself but, again, can't remember the spirit's name.
 
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AzureGhidorah said:
Just remember that said reproductions, if these are true, are inferior to the original.

... Actually wait, if there is no... Ah I forget what the spirit's name is, but the one that rejects the application of Magecraft making it weaker the longer its around without extra prank being supplied. If it's not around then my first comment might actually be false in this case. I'd blue truth it myself but, again, can't remember the spirit's name.
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.....you talking about Gaia, the planet itself?
 
justinkal said:
.....you talking about Gaia, the planet itself?
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Ah, ya. Entirely possible really since such a spirit probably wouldn't take too kindly to the unnatural grieving abominations that are Witches. And as far as I'm aware the Type-Moon series is one of the few works where the planet does actually have a spirit.

Then again, its more likely that I'm just really over thinking things and need to shut up.
 
AzureGhidorah said:
Just remember that said reproductions, if these are true, are inferior to the original.
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I don't believe that's how UBW works. If I recall correctly, any copies should be exactly as capable as the originals in UBW--and should be just as capable outside of UBW, assuming they've been projected precisely in line with the UBW blueprint--but they're not nearly as durable when projected, since the world's constantly wearing away at them.
 
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