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Renascence: A Homura Quest

Honorifics or Western-style Titles? I've used both before, which is bothersomely inconsistent

  • Japanese Honorifics (-san, -sama, -dono, -chan, -kun, -senpai, etcetera)

    Votes: 12 33.3%

  • Western Titles (Mister, Miss, job titles, Lord, Lady, etcetera)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Use whichever works better for a given sentence.

    Votes: 24 66.7%
  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
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Higure said:
At least one such encounter has occurred during Homura's current loop.
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At the time of at least one such encounter taking place during this loop, Homura, our heroine, could truthfully describe herself as a witch.

At that time, Homura, our heroine, could falsely describe herself as a witch.
 
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Higure said:
Alright, this is a message to my Omake writers...

I really dislike leaving you hanging so long, but a large amount of time and effort goes into balancing your options when rewarding Omakes, not to mention the difficulty of concocting enough thematically appropriate rewards based on a given Omake.

In light of this, I would like to ask your thoughts on a possible system change...that change would result in non-Canon Omakes receiving a single reward, chosen by myself, rather than allowing a choice. Canon Omakes would continue as before, and the most impressive Non-Canon one's might occasionally see an exception being made.

I'm willing to proceed as I have until now, but you would likely end up with long waits for rewards (not as long as this recent deadzone, perhaps, but still a substantial wait), especially when the Omake gives me limited thematic material to work with in designing rewards.
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The only thing I'd caution, when it comes to single rewards chosen by GM, is that you will need to be very careful about traits with drawbacks. For example, there were some traits offered earlier that made us better at one thing but more vulnerable to another. Another example might be traits that activate beyond our control fairly often, like the notorious Akemi Madness. I'll note that when it comes to choosing traits, ones with drawbacks or costs have been somewhat unpopular with the playerbase, who as typical of most quests, are rather risk-adverse.

That said anything that gets us omake rewards faster or lessens the burden on the GM is fine with me. Especially if it lessens the GM workload.
 
Higure said:
It is not impossible that Homura can encounter someone who has seen the Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica anime.
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Such an encounter was always possible...indeed, at least one has already occured.
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Higure said:
Homura, you heroine, does remember that encounter or encounters. The Homumind, however, is not aware that individual(s) Homura encountered had seen PMMM.
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Higure said:
SV was not in control of Homura during at least one such encounter(s).
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I just archive binged through this whole quest and loved it!

I have two separate theories. Please let me know if this is the correct format for presenting Blue Truths.

No such encounter(s), regardless of remembrance or recognition by Homura and/or The Homumind, occurred prior to the loop Homura, our heroine, is currently experiencing in this Quest.

The individual(s) that had seen PMMM appeared at least visually human to Homura (or would have, had she seen/noticed them) during all such encounters.
 
Sasha said:
The individual(s) that had seen PMMM appeared at least visually human to Homura (or would have, had she seen/noticed them) during all such encounters.
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I might change the phrasing on that, since 'visually human' can be ambiguous when referring to Puella Magi, and 'at least' is an ambiguous phrase in general.

Also,
Higure said:
In that case...At least one such encounter has occurred during Homura's current loop.
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At the time of at least one such encounter during this loop, at least one involved party--other than Higure and the readers of Renascence--has seen the Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica anime.

At the time of at least one such encounter during this loop, at least one involved party--other than Higure and the voters of Renascence--has seen the Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica anime.
 
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Mykenae said:
I might change the phrasing on that, since 'visually human' can be ambiguous when referring to Puella Magi, and 'at least' is an ambiguous phrase in general.
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I can't think of any Puella Magi that don't appear to be humans, even when transformed. The 'at least' part is admittedly rather vague, but I intended for it to specify that the individual(s) only needed to seem human based on sight, not any supernatural senses.

I may change it or add a follow up question, but that depends on Higure's response to my original theory, should he give one.
 
Sasha said:
I can't think of any Puella Magi that don't appear to be humans, even when transformed. The 'at least' part is admittedly rather vague, but I intended for it to specify that the individual(s) only needed to seem human based on sight, not any supernatural senses.

I may change it or add a follow up question, but that depends on Higure's response to my original theory, should he give one.
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The main thing I can think of is that you can interpret 'visually human' to mean 'someone Homura sees as human,' or in other words, 'someone Homura recognizes as human.' So if it were a puella magi, Higure could answer that question either way in Red Text depending on whether he chooses to interpret it based on Homura's assumptions or the assumptions of the average bystander.

(To be fair, there's also the issue that none of the characters in this quest are visually human--we either see them as letters on a page, or as pixels on a computer screen. Or, if you really want to be technical, electrical signals being sent to the brain. At some point in a witch's game like this, you just have to have faith that the witch isn't going to screw you over.)
 
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Mykenae said:
The main thing I can think of is that you can interpret 'visually human' to mean 'someone Homura sees as human,' or in other words, 'someone Homura recognizes as human.' So if it were a puella magi, Higure could answer that question either way in Red Text depending on whether he chooses to interpret it based on Homura's assumptions or the assumptions of the average bystander.

(To be fair, there's also the issue that none of the characters in this quest are visually human--we either see them as letters on a page, or as pixels on a computer screen. Or, if you really want to be technical, electrical signals being sent to the brain. At some point in a witch's game like this, you just have to have faith that the witch isn't going to screw you over.)
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I used the word 'visually' specifically to make that distinction between "human based on Homura's sense of sight" and "someone that fits Homura's idea of a 'human.'"

In hindsight, perhaps 'physically' would be more suitable.
 
Try "apparently."

That said...

At the time of at least one such encounter during this loop, at least one involved party--other than Higure and the readers of Renascence--has seen the Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica anime.

At the time of at least one such encounter during this loop, at least one involved party--other than Higure and the voters of Renascence--has seen the Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica anime.

Sasha said:
I just archive binged through this whole quest and loved it!

I have two separate theories. Please let me know if this is the correct format for presenting Blue Truths.

No such encounter(s), regardless of remembrance or recognition by Homura and/or The Homumind, occurred prior to the loop Homura, our heroine, is currently experiencing in this Quest.

The individual(s) that had seen PMMM appeared at least visually human to Homura (or would have, had she seen/noticed them) during all such encounters.
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Glad to have you! I hope you continue to enjoy it as we progress. Also, yes, that's the right format. Very nice.

One such encounter occurred long, long ago...far before this loop.

If you want to find out more about that particular incident...beat Walpurgisnacht.

The individual(s) that had seen PMMM appeared at least visually human to Homura (or would have, had she seen/noticed them) during some such encounters, but not all.
 
Higure said:
Glad to have you! I hope you continue to enjoy it as we progress. Also, yes, that's the right format. Very nice.
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Glad to be here! Are revisions of my previous theories acceptable, or would that violate the spirit of these Truths?
Higure said:
One such encounter occurred long, long ago...far before this loop.

If you want to find out more about that particular incident...beat Walpurgisnacht.
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Interesting...

I have another theory.

The Kyubey and/or Incubators in this loop know/suspect the cause of the weakening of the multiversal barriers (or whatever it is that has caused the crossover elements of the Quest.
 
Sasha said:
Glad to be here! Are revisions of my previous theories acceptable, or would that violate the spirit of these Truths?
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Nope, Blue Truth Shotguns are a classic.

Interesting...

I have another theory.

The Kyubey and/or Incubators in this loop know/suspect the cause of the weakening of the multiversal barriers (or whatever it is that has caused the crossover elements of the Quest.
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Quest and Find Out. Kyubey is certainly a possible source of information. Also, since we haven't met him yet IC...I don't run Kyubey like most QMs. Productive interaction is entirely possible...you just have to understand incubator culture and ethics in order to do so. Crow got you guys a good start on that early on in the Quest with one of his Omakes, so that'll help.

He's still the same soul collecting bunnycat we all know, but I try to treat him like what he is: an emotionless alien who cannot understand the essential nature of humanity, nor any of the pain he causes.



The following info is based on the Homumind, not on Word of Witch. Objective accuracy is not guaranteed:

Kyubey doesn't desire understand Grief or pain or sadness...in his mind, those are words for states that human beings enter when exposed to certain stimuli, and those states cause the production of energy that breaks thermodynamic laws.

His thoughts on a Puella Magi grief spiraling aren't sadistic, sympathetic, predatory, or even condescending...rather, it's something like, "Subject has entered state of exponential Grief production. Death of genitor appears to have triggered state-change. Projected output is suboptimal...I will need to crossreference subject's developmental process and base statistics with those of of other subjects, in order to determine cause of diminished output. Subject appears to be attempting to induce death state in self...intervention is necessary to prevent abortion of development."

Homura's read some of his records in the past...the above is very similar to one of them. Kyubey, on that occasion, asked her for her perspective on optimizing output...she informed him that variance in human social connections and personal mentality make the cause of the suboptimal output impossible for her to deduce. She did not present any possible explanations, because she didn't want to help him make girls suffer more. Kyubey was likely aware of this, and did not waste energy by attempting to obtain such information from her, instead moving on to another topic.

...in summary, you can't offend the little guy, you can't make him hate you, you can't make him fear you, you can't make him love you...but interacting with him in what he perceives as a civilized manner may just earn you something like respect...or at least he might acknowledge you as a resource worth improving relations with, it's not clear.
 
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So repeatedly shooting him will accomplish nothing except making him consider us someone not worth the difficulty of interacting with. Oh and provide stress relief for Homura.
 
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spaceman1997 said:
So repeatedly shooting him will accomplish nothing except making him consider us someone not worth the difficulty of interacting with. Oh and provide stress relief for Horuma.
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Generally it just means he tries to keep you out of the loop in general, as you're clearly going to attempt to obstruct his efforts to save the universe...he doesn't understand why, but he isn't going to just ignore it...he'll factor you in as a problem. He won't hate you though.

Also, that lost most of its value as stress relief a long time ago. She doesn't really hate Kyubey anymore...it would be like hating a tornado or earthquake. Kyubey just does what he does, and it's easier to deal with him if he considers you worth associating with...hell, she's even managed to convince him to leave Madoka alone on several occasions, by presenting him with a cost/benefit analysis regarding Krimheld Gretchen and the end of the universe.

She doesn't bother now, though, because it doesn't really increase Madoka's survival chances...if she Wishes and kills Walpurgisnacht, she dies. If she doesn't Wish, that doesn't save anyone besides her...and even then only sometimes. If she Wishes for something more reasonable, however, she doesn't immediately Witch...but becomes vulnerable to Grief Spiral and loses her chance at a peaceful life...which Homura has mixed feelings on.

It's a complex problem to solve, even with only the parts Homura is fully aware of. Keeping all seven of them alive, well, and not at each others' throats until April 2nd has always escaped her, mostly because Walpurgisnacht usually kills at least one or two of them, or else Madoka Witches.

I think I have something useful in store for you guys next time you go to sleep...it should help you prep for the big fight, among other things.

You'll need all of the help you can get.

...and some extra Witch advice? If you don't develop or unlock new abilities and weapons, not to mention improving the ones you have, you cannot defeat Walpurgisnacht. Period. Homura as she is now has been outpaced by the Playwright by a vast measure...she's only keeping up at all because she's insanely experienced.
 
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We need to get to Madoka at the same time as Kyubey and offer a contract immediately after he offers his, while advertising our contract as not requiring her to fight until the day she dies or loses her humanity. And not possibly turning her into a monster.
 
Higure said:
Nope, Blue Truth Shotguns are a classic.
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Awesome!

The individual(s) that had seen PMMM appeared at least visually human to Homura (or would have, had she seen/noticed them) during all such encounters she has had in the current loop.

Higure said:
you can't make him fear you
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I can certainly try. Who knows? With all the crossover elements there may be a way...
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There exists in this Quest a course of action(s) and/or occurrence(s) resulting in Kyubey and/or other Incubators developing (through means unspecified in this statement) thought patterns analogous to human emotions.
Or, to rephrase this:
There is a non-zero chance that Kyubey and/or other Incubators will develop (through means unspecified in this statement) thought patterns analogous to human emotions in this Quest.
 
You would have to restructure his brain to make him capable of feeling emotions. And once you've gone to those lengths just to scare him, can you really call him Kyubey anymore?
 
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Higure said:
...and some extra Witch advice? If you don't develop or unlock new abilities and weapons, not to mention improving the ones you have, you cannot defeat Walpurgisnacht. Period. Homura as she is now has been outpaced by the Playwright by a vast measure...she's only keeping up at all because she's insanely experienced.
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Um, FTFY? :)
 
justinkal said:
Information regarding at least one such encounter is contained within one or more locked Memory Access Files.
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I will not answer that at this time.

...and no, I don't ignore Blues on purpose. I may lose track of or miss them, but I try to provide some form of response to them, even if it's just the above.

Mykenae said:
At the time of at least one such encounter taking place during this loop, Homura, our heroine, could truthfully describe herself as a witch.

At that time, Homura, our heroine, could falsely describe herself as a witch.
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Homura, our heroine, could truthfully or falsely describe herself as a witch at any time.

Perspectives and definitions warp easily, especially in an unstable mind.
 
Higure said:
Homura, our heroine, could truthfully or falsely describe herself as a witch at any time.
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At the time of at least one of the encounters with a party or parties who's seen Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica which takes place during this loop, at least one of the parties involved in that encounter--excepting Higure, his readers, his voters, and Homura, our heroine--could truthfully describe himself, herself, or itself as a witch.

At the time described above, at least one of the parties involved in that encounter--excepting Higure, his readers, his voters, and Homura, our heroine--could falsely describe himself, herself, or itself as a witch.

At the time described above, at least one of the parties involved in that encounter--excepting Higure, his readers, his voters, and Homura, our heroine--could not truthfully describe himself, herself, or itself as a witch.

At the time described above, at least one of the parties involved in that encounter--excepting Higure, his readers, his voters, and Homura, our heroine--could not falsely describe himself, herself, or itself as a witch.
 
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