Hey @Dream Logic do you mind if I make a analysis report on the Fall of Cadia (Reforging the Legion timeline) based on how our chapters did in that fight?
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Meh. I like the primaris design more. And frankly the boxnaught pisses me right the hell off. As for the story, I never really got why it was so hated in the first place. I mean, I know all the arguments, but I thought the introduction was fine, not great, but fine.
The fact that GW can't introduce anything new without making it the most broken thing in the game may have had something to do
Game balance is an endless struggle. However that strategy does help with the money making. Buying the meta is a trap that works every time.
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Also it's coming out right after or near End Times, while also appearing to be "Space marines but somehow also different in every way" really didn't help.
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Not at all, though I'm going to be honest. It's pretty unlikely you guys can ever save Cadia fully.
My focus will likely be on filling out things in the margins and addressing the many smaller scale threats that haunt the Imperium.
People do have my full permission and support for doing fan stuff. Worst I'll do is say it's cool but non-canon.
Honestly my only real problems (as someone who does not play tabletop) are the aesthetics (petty) and the whole 'crossing the Rubicon' bit (pettier then salt).
That being said, I really do love the idea that they're mostly upgunned scouts and the reason they're all hyper specialized is that they lack the experience of their battle brothers.
True. I want to make it so our chapters causes more problems for the 13th Black Crusade forces. Also, how many more Cadian managed to escape before the Blackstone Fortress fell thanks to the Forever Knights?
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Anything that makes Abbaddons life worse is an objective good.
Thr battle of Cadia (Analysis)
Fall of Cadia (RtL Timeline) Report
The Burning Hand Role: While unable to assist Cadia in their time of need, by the time the Great Rift opened, many forge-worlds were ready for war, thus preventing the worse from affecting them.
The Forever Knights Role: They managed to destroy one of the Blackstone Fortress's engine, allowing more Cadians to evacuate before Cadia was destroyed. In addition, they managed to prevent the decimation of many chapters and regiments.
World Serpents Role: None.
Sons of Cerberus Role: Unknown
Result:
Mechanicus ready for war earlier than expected.
100 million more Cadian escape, 34 times the original number. (12.1% of the population of Cadia.)
Many chapters and regiments saved from destruction.
Imperium much stronger than canon.
Conclusion: More chapters are needed to mitigate the fallout of the destruction of Cadia or outright prevent the Fall of Cadia.
The Burning Hand Role: While unable to assist Cadia in their time of need, by the time the Great Rift opened, many forge-worlds were ready for war, thus preventing the worse from affecting them.
The Forever Knights Role: They managed to destroy one of the Blackstone Fortress's engine, allowing more Cadians to evacuate before Cadia was destroyed. In addition, they managed to prevent the decimation of many chapters and regiments.
World Serpents Role: None.
Sons of Cerberus Role: Unknown
Result:
Mechanicus ready for war earlier than expected.
100 million more Cadian escape, 34 times the original number. (12.1% of the population of Cadia.)
Many chapters and regiments saved from destruction.
Imperium much stronger than canon.
Conclusion: More chapters are needed to mitigate the fallout of the destruction of Cadia or outright prevent the Fall of Cadia.
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Hey @Dream Logic
How many more Cadian managed to evacuate when the Forever Knights came?
How many more Cadian managed to evacuate when the Forever Knights came?
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As many as deemed dramatically appropriate
Seriously though. I have no head for numbers and am going to try and avoid pinning them down to even the vaguest estimates. If your number seems too high then it's a really big planet and it makes sense there'd be that many. If it's too low then they were already committed and or suppressed by Heretic anti air and orbital dominance.
I think we can all accept that hard numbers really isn't 40k's strong suit.
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Knowing the tragic demise of others must not have been easy for Vidante, especially seeing what transpired during the Heresy.
So, it's not really any surprise he died in the line of duty as implied by his Relic lightning claws. Such is the lot of all Astartes in such times, and there is little that can be done to change it.
So his decision to not cut these daydreams from the people of Grand Quixote, and instead earnestly engaged and embraced their strange and overly optimistic traditions is a strange but weirdly heartwarming sight -- for being a member of the dreaded Night Lords, interacting with these foolish but good-hearted folk/aspirants might have helped him more than he realized.
At the very end, I like to think Serr Vidante left the mortal coil as content as someone like him can be. It may not have been his initial intention, but in a way he did stave his Chapter from the madness of the Night Haunter few else could have.
Hats off to Vidante, a seer who can finally dream again.
Serr death against the probably night lords would be so ironic, like Night lords almost learning that they are fighting brothers and old man Serr just grabbing the 2 nearest veterans of not-yet long war to protect dreams of his younger brothers.
that is absurdly low number on the planetary scale, especially during the war
Yeah, no even in the offical Gathering storm series, the number of cadians were not that, they may have been less then a billion at about 743 million all told before the planet blew up, but that is still more reasonable then just 500k cadians.
Damn really? Then what would be a safe number that would be evacuated with the extra few hours?
Ugh, made a mistake, it was supposed to be 850 Mil, not 743. As for how many? In canon, less then 3 million were able to evacuate before the planet died, so increasing that to maybe around like 100 million, would be a better feel, while still being impactful as a meaningful sacrifice from the knights in order to slow the Blackstone fortress so more people can still make it out before the end.
Well it was not a few extra hours but almost a day more time.
That actually would track as the dropping of the BSF was rather sudden so they did not have a lot of time to evacuate. Given nearly a full day more time and those numbers are doable for the Imperium.
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Thank you for the advice
My personal headcanon is that Cawl didn't make better Space Marines so much as finish off the added features that Emps originally planned to add but which needed to be cut because of time constraints. That's a much less implausible feat, especially since Cawl basically has the Emperor's original design notes in his head, courtesy of a failed bodysnatching attempt by the head of the Emperor's Biotechnical Division.
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And we already know that Primarchs contained a bunch of organs that the Astartes never had.
The problem is they just popped up out of nowhere. This is the sort of thing that you set up for years before unveiling, not just slap onto the setting willy nilly with ad-hoc explanations. There's no end of secret Geneseed experiments done in the Imperium, just look at the Cursed Founding. Just have more of that in the worldbuilding, and set up Cawl or an equivalent to Cawl as the non-Chaos counterpart to Fabius Bile, trying to make improvements to Space Marines for humanity. Then, when he succeeds, it is less of a shock because we know it's been an aim of his for a while.
I don't think altering a design created by the Emperor for what are considered demigods could be made "business as usual" in 40k. Not without opening up quite a few plot holes. Seriously, it's implied that even Cawl would consider it a bridge too far under most circumstances. The only reason he went through with it was because the Emperor kinda gave him a go-ahead in a vision during that attempted body-snatching incident I mentioned. It would need to be a much more hidden agenda, which would have also been good for building hype.