Reforging the Legions (Warhammer 40K)
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I personally don't super like all 3 being in charge, just my personal preference, I think it occasionally being an option will be fine but I don't know if it can lose vs the individual chapter masters since you do always get your favorite one plus bonus options if you vote in favor of it.
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Aye, in hindsight it should have been 'No One' to make the choice more interesting.
Mechanically you only get the one trait, so it is a real sacrifice. Narratively all three will be present but they're deliberately avoiding leadership positions as much as possible. Better that the chapter define itself with the new blood.
It's not something that will be available often. The only other legion I really see having a similar option is The Alpha Legion (who would likely favor a truly level structure)
I still like it, having Chapter based on pure brotherhood and informal leadership is something cool and I think fitting for a obscure Chapter. Chapters can have truly diverse and unique culture, traditions and structure that goes clearly against the traditions and social structures of most of the Imperium.
So I like, having such unique Chapter.
So I like, having such unique Chapter.
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Bit under the weather but will have some time tomorrow to finish (and do some prep for the finale). In the meantime here's a teaser.
Tip of the Spear, Favored Sons, Monster Hunters, Pathfinders, Brotherhood of Equals
Sic Svnt Dracones, Clad in Glory, The Better World
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Found a possible symbol for the Chapter.
Three heads for the three leaders. Wolf is to pay homage to their origins, totally the Luna Space Wolves.
Honestly with the strong comaraderie, death world with apex predator (Kraken on Fenris, Dragon on Jundyr), and probable wolf name or symbol, we're on route to perfectly disguising a traitor legion once again.
Honestly with the strong comaraderie, death world with apex predator (Kraken on Fenris, Dragon on Jundyr), and probable wolf name or symbol, we're on route to perfectly disguising a traitor legion once again.
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Chapter 4 Part 3: Training, Equipment, and Dragons
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[X] Plan: FRIENDSHIP
- [X] All of them: Yes, the Mournival ultimately failed, and the Warrior Lodges were always dens of corruption. However they existed in response to real issues within the culture of the legions. Issues that the chapter structure has alleviated but not solved. Instead of authority flowing from the center, it might be constructed from the bottom up. With leadership chosen by the needs of the moment and the consent of their brothers. The Lunar Wolves would be particularly suited to such an experiment. (Gain Trait: Brotherhood of Equals)
-[x] Jundyr: A rather novel death world. Whereas most are defined by a multipolar assortment of flora, fauna and environmental factors, this one has dragons. There are a variety of other beasts too of course, but nothing near so incredible. Within the jungles they are avoided, but upon the mountains? They are hunted. With ingenuity and teamwork teams of hunters perform feats that the one cannot. This is a people defined by adaptability and trust more then the stereotypical hyper competence. (Planetary Decision: The Sky Tyrants)
- [X] All of them: Yes, the Mournival ultimately failed, and the Warrior Lodges were always dens of corruption. However they existed in response to real issues within the culture of the legions. Issues that the chapter structure has alleviated but not solved. Instead of authority flowing from the center, it might be constructed from the bottom up. With leadership chosen by the needs of the moment and the consent of their brothers. The Lunar Wolves would be particularly suited to such an experiment. (Gain Trait: Brotherhood of Equals)
-[x] Jundyr: A rather novel death world. Whereas most are defined by a multipolar assortment of flora, fauna and environmental factors, this one has dragons. There are a variety of other beasts too of course, but nothing near so incredible. Within the jungles they are avoided, but upon the mountains? They are hunted. With ingenuity and teamwork teams of hunters perform feats that the one cannot. This is a people defined by adaptability and trust more then the stereotypical hyper competence. (Planetary Decision: The Sky Tyrants)
Despite all odds the three candidates have chosen to share the powers and responsibility of their position. While such councils are relatively uncommon their solution to it is even odder. They intend for the Chapter to select it's leadership via consensus amongst their battle brothers. While such a thing has some precedent it has not been used on such a wide scale before. Then again, the Lunar Wolves always favored at least the appearance of equality amongst their ranks. Only time will tell if they can succeed in their efforts.
In terms of homeworld Jundyr was a natural choice. Traditionally death worlds produce high quality aspirants which can more reliably ascend into the ranks of astartes. Though it is a very minor difference compared to their counterparts from so called 'civilized worlds'. More important is the culture that a death world tends to imbue upon it's children. Unfortunately that tends to result in paranoiac, depressive, and hyper-violent tendencies consistent with long term exposure to traumatic experiences. Jundyr has proven an exception to that rule. It's people have maintained a relatively decent quality of life despite their harsh environment. With life defined more by the communal living than mass slaughter. In large part because this is because they keep a nomadic existence away from the planet's greatest dangers. Those being the Dragons of course. They're a constant threat to the people of this world. With large and settled habitation proving impossible in large swathes of the planet.
While they have given the planet a unique culture and character...such a thing would likely remain even without that degree of outside pressure. The question is not whether Jundyr will have monsters, but what purpose they serve. To guard the wilds and sharpen it's people? To test the mettle of the worthy? Or should they be cast out, and the world made anew?
What will the Chapter do about the Sky Tyrants?
[] Leave them be: Their numbers have been thinned sufficiently for human habitation. They should be only an occasional threat to the tribes and smaller villages, easily avoided by most. They will remain as teachers of wisdom and guardians of tradition.(Gain Trait: Hic Svnt Dracones)
[] Hunt them: They are fearsome beats, yet beasts they remain. As such squads of initiates will be tasked with slaying a dragon by whatever means they can. Such a mission will teach them to be more then mere soldiers. (Gain Trait: Clad in Glory)
[] Exterminate them: The people of Jundyr have lived under threat for too long. You will destroy that which hunts them and drive back the beasts into the fringes. It will be the work of generations but this world will be made safe for mankind. (Gain Trait: The Better World)
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Chapter Traits
Tip of the Spear (Lunar Wolves): Marines of this Chapter have a preference towards sudden and overwhelming force whenever possible. As such they tend to favor brief periods of high intensity warfare, carried out with whatever forces they have on hand.
Favored Sons (Lunar Wolves): The Emperor smiles upon this Chapter in all things. As such marines of this chapter are known to be blessed with skill and fortune. Furthermore they easily find allies amongst Imperial institutions.
Monster Hunters (Jundyr): Marines of this chapter specialize in tracking and killing individual behemoths. While they are most proficient against non-human monstrosities this skillset serves them well even against more mundane foes.
Pathfinders (Jundyr): There is an art to finding a way from point A to point B. Doubly so when considering such things as stealth, speed, safety and ease of travel. While hardly glamorous such skills are always useful.
Brotherhood of Equals (Chapter Master): Leadership in this Chapter is not determined by seniority or rank. Instead the battle brothers select Force Commanders from their own ranks. While some consider such a system unwieldy, it ensures each voice is heard in turn.
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[] Chapter Name
[] Chapter Symbol
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[] Chapter Creed//Battle Cry
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Training Options (Choose Two)
[] Veteran Scouts: Battle Brothers of this Chapter form their own dedicated Scout Squads and are used to take upon missions too difficult for their neophyte brethren. Improving their ability to perform recon, stealth, and assassinations in the field.
[] Apprenticeships: Each Battle Brother of this Chapter is expected to oversee the training of one or more initiates that catch their eye. Such measures will reinforce specialization within the chapter, for better and worse.
[] Specialists Companies: This Chapter dedicates each company to a specific specialty or method of war. Common examples are Terminator companies, fast attack elements and void warfare specialists. Though the specifics will naturally vary by Chapter and need.
[] Masters of Melee: Members of this Chapter show preternatural skill with melee weapons. The most skilled of them can pose a challenge to even the fiercest daemonic champion.
[] Sharpshooters: Marines of this chapter boast a particular skill at marksmanship and a familiarity with all sorts of ranged weaponry. From pistols to bolters or rocket launchers they show tremendous talent.
[] Drilled Discipline: This Chapter trains for almost every possible situation they might face. As such they have a high general competence and are resistant to onsets of fear or panic. Whether it be supernatural or mundane complications these marines will be prepared for whatever happens.
[] Deepstrike Doctrine: This Chapter is particularly capable at performing orbital drops, Terminator teleporter assaults, and other such 'death or glory' maneuvers. Woe betides the foe who thought themselves safe.
[] Breacher-Siege Squads: The practice of dedicated point-assault squads has fallen out of favor against an increased focus upon maneuver warfare. However they remain a potent option for fighting through entrenched positions on land or in the void.
[] Diplomatic Cadres: Marines of this chapter understand how to interact with and manipulate both individuals and the larger systems they create. As such they achieve the rare feat of being socially competent Astartes. Good for influencing others and rallying them to their cause.
[] Greater Librarium: The Librarians of this Chapter have proven to be both plentiful and powerful. They are more able to endure the dangers of their psyker nature. Furthermore they will be able develop their own unique specialties distinct from the standard patterns.
[] Expanded Chaplaincy: This Chapter fields additional and more effective Chaplains. They will prove more effective at inspiring their brothers to greatness upon the field and helping them find peace outside it.
[] Brotherhood of Mars: The Techmarines of this Chapter are fully inducted into the Cult Mechanicus. Displaying both greater ability and earning closer ties to Martian brotherhood.
[] Advanced Apothecarion: Apothecaries oversee the implantation and harvesting of their Chapter's gene seed from the fallen. If granted additional recourses then they would be able to expand into research or adaption rather then merely attending to the Chapter's upkeep.
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Equipment, Vehicle and Reliquary Options (Choose One)
[] Test-Slaves: This chapter uses servitors, criminals, and other stock to farm their gene seed on mass. Such measures are unseemly and create lesser recruits but will allow them to rapidly replenish themselves from any losses.
[] Expanded Assault Companies: This Chapter has a fondness for jetpacks, and are noted for fielding extra Assault Squads on the battlefield.
[] Expanded Devastator Companies: This Chapter has greater then usual access to heavy weapons and utilizes a larger number of Devastator squads.
[] Additional Bikes: This chapter has a large contingent of Combat Bikes. Ideal for Hit and Run strikes, it will be very difficult to pin down such a force.
[] Additional Rhinos: This Chapter is able to field a a larger contingent of Rhino troop transports. Their humble reputation belies their true utility upon the field.
[] Additional Predators: The Predator trades the Rhino's troop transport capability for extra arms and armor. Serving as the Astarte's main battle tank, an expanded regiment will serve well in armored warfare.
[] Additional Thunderhawks: More Thunderhawk troop transports will be granted to this chapter. Those fielded will also be given superior arms and armor so that they can better act as air support and skirmishing assets.
[] Additional Dreadnaughts: This Chapter will be granted additional dreadnaught chassis and has limited access to the venerable Contemptor Pattern Dreadnaught.
[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
[] Expansive Forges: This Chapter's Fortress Monastery features an expanded forge complex. Thus marines are better able to maintain and customize their gear to a greater degree then their cousins might.
[] Expanded Reliquary: The Chapter will be granted enough relics to equip it's greatest champions along with the facilities to hold and maintain many more.
[] Expanded Fleet: This Chapter's fleet of voidships will be reinforced with additional Strike Cruisers and a variety of escorts to support them.
[] Auxiliary Forces: Whether it be Chapter Serfs, Imperial Guard or something more esoteric this chapter has a reliable stable of worthy allies to accompany them onto any battlefield.
[] Greater Flagship: This Chapter's flagship is a Glorianna class Battle Barge, a truly irreplicable relic predating even the Great Crusade. (May only be taken once, ever)
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For the record, Jundyr has dragons but the chapter doesn't need to be named after or even reference them.
Sad to say I killed Supreme Adaptability. DD covers similar ground but I feel like it has more of a flavor hook for me to work with.
For an example of what specialists companies does look at the Dark Angels vs Codex compliant chapters. They both go even heavier on first company terminators but have things like the raven wing and the various other orders on hand.
Also a bit dead on my feet. So yay. Have fun, be polite. I'll try to answer any questions and correct any errors.
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[] Apprenticeships: Each Battle Brother of this Chapter is expected to oversee the training of one or more initiates that catch their eye. Such measures will reinforce specialization within the chapter, for better and worse.
[] Masters of Melee: Members of this Chapter show preternatural skill with melee weapons. The most skilled of them can pose a challenge to even the fiercest daemonic champion.
[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
I want to make them a brotherhood of champions, able to take on whatever is close enough to kill. Apprenticeships to foster greater comraderie, melee to make them extra killy with the monster hunter trait, and addition terminators for juggernauts. Could be convinced to replace terminators with reliquary. Make them strong enough to survive their heroic tendencies with tip of the spear, and make the overwhelming force completely overwhelming.
[] Masters of Melee: Members of this Chapter show preternatural skill with melee weapons. The most skilled of them can pose a challenge to even the fiercest daemonic champion.
[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
I want to make them a brotherhood of champions, able to take on whatever is close enough to kill. Apprenticeships to foster greater comraderie, melee to make them extra killy with the monster hunter trait, and addition terminators for juggernauts. Could be convinced to replace terminators with reliquary. Make them strong enough to survive their heroic tendencies with tip of the spear, and make the overwhelming force completely overwhelming.
[] Deepstrike Doctrine: This Chapter is particularly capable at performing orbital drops, Terminator teleporter assaults, and other such 'death or glory' maneuvers. Woe betides the foe who thought themselves safe.
[] Expanded Assault Companies: This Chapter has a fondness for jetpacks, and are noted for fielding extra Assault Squads on the battlefield.
These two when combined with Tip of the Spear would go crazy, murder blenders able to pop into the deadliest areas.
[] Expanded Assault Companies: This Chapter has a fondness for jetpacks, and are noted for fielding extra Assault Squads on the battlefield.
These two when combined with Tip of the Spear would go crazy, murder blenders able to pop into the deadliest areas.
hmm . . . 2 training options?
but what if . . . we have a thousand Gary Stus?
[] Plan: Into the Thick of It
-[] Leave them be: Their numbers have been thinned sufficiently for human habitation. They should be only an occasional threat to the tribes and smaller villages, easily avoided by most. They will remain as teachers of wisdom and guardians of tradition.(Gain Trait: Hic Svnt Dracones)
-[] Chapter Name: Sons of Cerberus
-[] Chapter Symbol: A Red Three Headed Dog on a Field of Black
-[] Chapter Colors: Primary Black with red arms and helmet
-[] Chapter Creed//Battle Cry: To Empty all of Hell
-[] Deepstrike Doctrine: This Chapter is particularly capable at performing orbital drops, Terminator teleporter assaults, and other such 'death or glory' maneuvers. Woe betides the foe who thought themselves safe.
-[] Drilled Discipline: This Chapter trains for almost every possible situation they might face. As such they have a high general competence and are resistant to onsets of fear or panic. Whether it be supernatural or mundane complications these marines will be prepared for whatever happens.
-[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
If they like throwing themselves where the fighting is fiercest then let them.
-[] Leave them be: Their numbers have been thinned sufficiently for human habitation. They should be only an occasional threat to the tribes and smaller villages, easily avoided by most. They will remain as teachers of wisdom and guardians of tradition.(Gain Trait: Hic Svnt Dracones)
-[] Chapter Name: Sons of Cerberus
-[] Chapter Symbol: A Red Three Headed Dog on a Field of Black
-[] Chapter Colors: Primary Black with red arms and helmet
-[] Chapter Creed//Battle Cry: To Empty all of Hell
-[] Deepstrike Doctrine: This Chapter is particularly capable at performing orbital drops, Terminator teleporter assaults, and other such 'death or glory' maneuvers. Woe betides the foe who thought themselves safe.
-[] Drilled Discipline: This Chapter trains for almost every possible situation they might face. As such they have a high general competence and are resistant to onsets of fear or panic. Whether it be supernatural or mundane complications these marines will be prepared for whatever happens.
-[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
If they like throwing themselves where the fighting is fiercest then let them.
[] Exterminate them: The people of Jundyr have lived under threat for too long. You will destroy that which hunts them and drive back the beasts into the fringes. It will be the work of generations but this world will be made safe for mankind. (Gain Trait: The Better World)
[] Plan Underworld Guardian
-[] Cerberus
-[] A Black with Red eyes 3 Headed Dog on a Field of Gold
-[] Black with Red and Gold Markings
-[] We Hunt as One // To Empty All Hell!
-[] Veteran Scouts: Battle Brothers of this Chapter form their own dedicated Scout Squads and are used to take upon missions too difficult for their neophyte brethren. Improving their ability to perform recon, stealth, and assassinations in the field.
-[] Deepstrike Doctrine: This Chapter is particularly capable at performing orbital drops, Terminator teleporter assaults, and other such 'death or glory' maneuvers. Woe betides the foe who thought themselves safe.
-[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
Alright I think its better to get rid of the dragons in terms of culture.
For Training Pathfinders and Scouts should work really well together. Thn Deepstrik for Tip of the spears High Intensity conflict same with Assault Bikes since Hit and Run tactcs is a classic for High Intensity battles.
For Name I went with Cerberus fitting for a Chapter founded by 3 Leaders and descended from Luna Wolvs. Colors is black since that what Cerberus is commonly depected as then Red and Gold for flames and Drachma.
Edit: Though Hmm I suppose Assault Squads do work well with Deepstrike and Tip of the Spear too. So I can Change it to that.
Edit2: Actually Yeh Terminators works even better for the mission of Killing Bronze Midir and Deepstrike Doctrine. Since Terminators means Teleport assaults which Scouts would help too.
Scouts find the targets and set up mark for Terminators to Teleport and Kill Midir.
[] Plan Underworld Guardian
-[] Cerberus
-[] A Black with Red eyes 3 Headed Dog on a Field of Gold
-[] Black with Red and Gold Markings
-[] We Hunt as One // To Empty All Hell!
-[] Veteran Scouts: Battle Brothers of this Chapter form their own dedicated Scout Squads and are used to take upon missions too difficult for their neophyte brethren. Improving their ability to perform recon, stealth, and assassinations in the field.
-[] Deepstrike Doctrine: This Chapter is particularly capable at performing orbital drops, Terminator teleporter assaults, and other such 'death or glory' maneuvers. Woe betides the foe who thought themselves safe.
-[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
Alright I think its better to get rid of the dragons in terms of culture.
For Training Pathfinders and Scouts should work really well together. Thn Deepstrik for Tip of the spears High Intensity conflict same with Assault Bikes since Hit and Run tactcs is a classic for High Intensity battles.
For Name I went with Cerberus fitting for a Chapter founded by 3 Leaders and descended from Luna Wolvs. Colors is black since that what Cerberus is commonly depected as then Red and Gold for flames and Drachma.
Edit: Though Hmm I suppose Assault Squads do work well with Deepstrike and Tip of the Spear too. So I can Change it to that.
Edit2: Actually Yeh Terminators works even better for the mission of Killing Bronze Midir and Deepstrike Doctrine. Since Terminators means Teleport assaults which Scouts would help too.
Scouts find the targets and set up mark for Terminators to Teleport and Kill Midir.
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I say we have some of the Dragons hunted. It's important for the people to know that the Beasts can be slain.
[] Hunt them: They are fearsome beats, yet beasts they remain. As such squads of initiates will be tasked with slaying a dragon by whatever means they can. Such a mission will teach them to be more then mere soldiers. (Gain Trait: Clad in Glory)
I like this one, still lets the planet keep some pizzaz and keeps our recruits sharp. Hunting tactics are best learned early, and having our elected Chapter Masters all be certified Dragon Slayers sounds badass.
I like this one, still lets the planet keep some pizzaz and keeps our recruits sharp. Hunting tactics are best learned early, and having our elected Chapter Masters all be certified Dragon Slayers sounds badass.
I can undertand but honestly I just Like For a Better World more than Glory. Since I'm pretty sure this vote is another one that sets the chaps culture.
And Well id ratther have the wolves try to for a Better World as a form of redemption to their fathrs failing rather than go for Glory again.
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[] Masters of Melee: Members of this Chapter show preternatural skill with melee weapons. The most skilled of them can pose a challenge to even the fiercest daemonic champion.
This feels necessary.
This feels necessary.
Not Really we dont have a Trait thats specifically for Melee and Kiling MIdir in a Duel isnt really the goal, but hunt him like a dragon with pack tactics.
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[ ] Plan The Hounds Prowl Again
-[] Leave them be: Their numbers have been thinned sufficiently for human habitation. They should be only an occasional threat to the tribes and smaller villages, easily avoided by most. They will remain as teachers of wisdom and guardians of tradition.(Gain Trait: Hic Svnt Dracones)
-[] Chapter Name: Kerberos Fellowship
-[] Chapter Symbol: Three dog heads, pointing left, right and forward
-[] Chapter Colors: Red primary, with gold secondary and black trims.
-[] Chapter Creed//Battle Cry: To Empty all of Hell // "We hunt as one!"
-[] Veteran Scouts: Battle Brothers of this Chapter form their own dedicated Scout Squads and are used to take upon missions too difficult for their neophyte brethren. Improving their ability to perform recon, stealth, and assassinations in the field.
-[] Drilled Discipline: This Chapter trains for almost every possible situation they might face. As such they have a high general competence and are resistant to onsets of fear or panic. Whether it be supernatural or mundane complications these marines will be prepared for whatever happens.
-[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
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Really liked the Creed and Battlecry from Crimson and Wing, so respectifully copied them.
Was a toss-up between Drilled Discipline or Masters of Melee, but feel like Scouts were a better choice to play with their planet culture.
-[] Leave them be: Their numbers have been thinned sufficiently for human habitation. They should be only an occasional threat to the tribes and smaller villages, easily avoided by most. They will remain as teachers of wisdom and guardians of tradition.(Gain Trait: Hic Svnt Dracones)
-[] Chapter Name: Kerberos Fellowship
-[] Chapter Symbol: Three dog heads, pointing left, right and forward
-[] Chapter Colors: Red primary, with gold secondary and black trims.
-[] Chapter Creed//Battle Cry: To Empty all of Hell // "We hunt as one!"
-[] Veteran Scouts: Battle Brothers of this Chapter form their own dedicated Scout Squads and are used to take upon missions too difficult for their neophyte brethren. Improving their ability to perform recon, stealth, and assassinations in the field.
-[] Drilled Discipline: This Chapter trains for almost every possible situation they might face. As such they have a high general competence and are resistant to onsets of fear or panic. Whether it be supernatural or mundane complications these marines will be prepared for whatever happens.
-[] Additional Terminators: This Chapter can field enough suits of Terminator armor to equip a significant portion of it's Veteran Astartes. Such detachments are capable of winning almost any battle...if they can be used effectively.
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Really liked the Creed and Battlecry from Crimson and Wing, so respectifully copied them.
Was a toss-up between Drilled Discipline or Masters of Melee, but feel like Scouts were a better choice to play with their planet culture.