All this speculating on how we could choose justiciar and make edicts of our own feels like it's not grappling with the fact we're getting a power that is based off of and incorporates the others, not their exact powers. It doesn't seem necessary the same architecture applies.
Project Prometheus (Original Setting Superhero Quest)
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- in the trash
Oh wait, there's also the New Dawn founders, which includes Cisma (prison dimensions) and Steelheart (Algernon... probably?). Someone also mentioned Osanyin, but they're also an Algernon so we can probably lump all of those under the same power.
So far:
Indemnity (damage transfer)
Heavenly Astrologian (inertia control)
Mr Whaa (SEP)
Cisma (pocket dimensions)
Shutdown (conceptual null)
Justicar (psychic edicts)
Seraph (true telepathy)
Apiary (construct creation, matter creation, etc)
Ali Baba (intangibility)
Copycat (power copying?)
City Crier (enhanced voice, sound manipulation)
Valiant Red (Algernon, IIRC?)
So far:
Indemnity (damage transfer)
Heavenly Astrologian (inertia control)
Mr Whaa (SEP)
Cisma (pocket dimensions)
Shutdown (conceptual null)
Justicar (psychic edicts)
Seraph (true telepathy)
Apiary (construct creation, matter creation, etc)
Ali Baba (intangibility)
Copycat (power copying?)
City Crier (enhanced voice, sound manipulation)
Valiant Red (Algernon, IIRC?)
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ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
...taking a break from the topic of what combination of powers to use, it sounds like SB does have some limitations on how she can use her clones. It seems like she can only use a single clone of a person at a time, and the way she's reacting makes it sound like our killing them somehow prevents her from using them again in a way that a clone killing itself doesn't. In addition, there's the complicating factor of the Scarlet Maturity clone to consider. I suspect that alterations to powers would carry on in the correct circumstances, which would explain how she managed to go undetected so long. But the precise mechanics of that are completely unknown.
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Plan: Satisfy Arcus With Overwhelming Firepower
-Novalight
-Automne
-Man O' War
You want blatant overwhelming strength? Here. High-Potency, high-power samples with blasting and punching out the wazoo.
-Novalight
-Automne
-Man O' War
You want blatant overwhelming strength? Here. High-Potency, high-power samples with blasting and punching out the wazoo.
ARE ANY OF OUR OLD TEAM ACTUALLY DEAD?
Now I want to put in valiant silver just to see what it says, even though tinker powers are less than useless right now.
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- Omniverse #1345
Also as a note to the people panicking: these declarations make it impossible for someone to actually kill themselves. This is really, really, awful. But people can't actually move in a coordinated fashion to kill themselves.
Someone already asked, she's invalid too.
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- in the trash
Who said I wanted overwhelming firepower? I explicitly said I'm not interested in trying to fight brute force with more force. Can you stop being so hostile and mischaracterising my position?
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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Bitterman has previously said that this isn't a 'they were secretly alive' narrative thing, so we've been assuming that they're all currently in fates worse than death which we'll have to free them from to bid them farewell for good - Valiant Silver being used as a weapon by the Interlocutor, Uiara possibly being half-dead/brainwashed by the Mysteries, and Radiant Silvergirl taken by the Americans.
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honestly it looks like R-Train living side clashing with its machine side programming.
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- Omniverse #1345
It feels like our best bet may be Shutdown + Seraph + Justicar.
Feels like you'd get something that amounts to "and now I can create, change, and enforce rules at the speed of thought, nullifying or overriding all existing rules and resistances"
Other option may be to try to go for something that just hits absurdly hard. Unfortunately (sort of) most people we know with that kind of strength are still alive.
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...she copies people at the moment she touches them. That's why she tries to touch people in non-combat scenarios or before they get hurt-if someone had a gash on their left cheek when she 'acquires' the 'sample', they would have that gash when she makes the clone.
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Or, hmm. Idle thought, could we make a sufficiently strong psychic that could wrest control of the clones away from SB and turn them on her? That would be hilariously ironic.
Oh God Damn it! It wasn't bad enough to roll a 1 but that 1 has to help White Hawk! I have never been more personally offended by something the author has done.
If he lives through this, I swear to God.
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- Omniverse #1345
Do we know enough dead psychics for that?
We're kinda defaulting to Seraph because our knowledge of dead metahumans is actually really limited.
Also frankly anything capable of turning the clones can probably more easily crush SB's brain into soup.
Suggestion?
-Plan No Fun Allowed.
Shutdown- (Turn off the edicts)
Zeno- (Complete battlefield control, hopefully extend the range of the other powers)
Mr whaaa- (The clones are stupid, if they forget about us, they'll stop fighting us, and I doubt sb is smart enough to set up a contingency for her own bullshit.)
-Plan No Fun Allowed.
Shutdown- (Turn off the edicts)
Zeno- (Complete battlefield control, hopefully extend the range of the other powers)
Mr whaaa- (The clones are stupid, if they forget about us, they'll stop fighting us, and I doubt sb is smart enough to set up a contingency for her own bullshit.)
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If we rely on Seraph as just the raw juice, other Mental Manipulation types could work.
Nox could juice it up. So could Feth Faida, Wild Speaker, Mr. Whaaa or hell, I think maybe Justicar could count? After all, several of her punishments involve the brain. That last one from the clone specifically mentioned stimulating the pain center.
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- in the trash
Maybe, but there's probably a reason she's had to tiptoe around true telepaths all this time and the clones are explicitly not thinking creatures.
In terms of hard counters to a mook maker who has no actual combat ability of her own, seizing control of her mook army and turning it against her is probably about as airtight a counter as you can get.
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- Strip-mall Hell
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It's so crazy to drop an update this good in the middle of the night. I'm trying not to wake everyone up like a weirdo while the hypest shit ever is happening.
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...hell, there's an idea. Out-Mook-Make her with some combo of Umibozu/Man 'O War/Dragonsteeth/Primtemps/Nephytys.
Hmm
[] Eminence in Shadow
-[] Justicar
-[] Seraph
-[] Mr Whaa
Shield everyone by making our enemies forget about them using mr whaa. Seraphs Teleapthy on the Clones and Justicar edict to be able to directly control them?
Mr Whha is bullshit considering you need a Telepath to detech his powers.
[] Eminence in Shadow
-[] Justicar
-[] Seraph
-[] Mr Whaa
Shield everyone by making our enemies forget about them using mr whaa. Seraphs Teleapthy on the Clones and Justicar edict to be able to directly control them?
Mr Whha is bullshit considering you need a Telepath to detech his powers.
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- Omniverse #1345
Right, but the clones not being thinking creatures is exactly why telepaths are probably useless against them directly. They aren't people. They are meat-puppet extensions of her power.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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She's not, though. If she can be mind controlled into all the clones standing down, the fight could end right then and there very anticlimactically.
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- Omniverse #1345
Forgetting everyone won't help with Justicar's current edict function, which seems to just be automatic, so this doesn't resolve the primary problem we are currently facing.
Yes, that is what I said. Though bluntly SB needs to die here. She's shown she could easily destroy the city, hell, conquer the world. And the primary reason she hasn't is she's too dumb and obsessed to think of it.
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Hey, @Bitterman dumb question, but I want to make sure we have all the options we can. Are there any dead supers that ellie would know about but never appeared on screen and she thinks might be useful.
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Obviously this is the perfect time to whip out CITY CRIER!
(he appeared briefly in the Global Justice Sidestory.)
(he appeared briefly in the Global Justice Sidestory.)