Like, the part where Ellie did a bunch of housework and etc, etc to prove that she could help and contribute and HA broke down crying actually sticks in my fucking memory. I could not place the exact update it came from (I believe it's in her introductory arc), but as a thematic element it was very powerful and heartening (and heartbreaking).

It made me think about Adultification and overwork, about all sorts of things.
 
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But I was referring to its internal designation (seemingly?), ALSW-2.
In my experience the full name of these kinds of designations are either mundane or nearly incomprehensible to get a specific combination of letters. Since its *apparent* purpose is keeping the QZ contained I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like Autonomous Lockdown Security Weapon.

If there's additional meaning I would expect it from the previously discussed nickname R-Train or for the designation itself to spell out a word or name.
 
[] Plan: LowTierTelepath
-[] Seraph
-[] Mr. Whaaa?
-[] iSpy

Now, I hear what you're saying! The highest Potency Profile here is Seraph, isn't it a waste to not use Potency 9s or 10s?

But you see, with iSpy able to percieve things from the perspective of her foes and Seraph having true telepathy, we can do the very funny tactic of hijacking Socialite Butterfly's clone network WHILE she has 0 idea who's doing it and how because of Mr. Whaaa's perception filter and iSpy's invisibility.

Juiced!Justiciar? Stops her edicts and turns them on Socialite Butterfly instead. The other clones? Dogpiles White Hawk before killing themselves.

Socialite Butterfly herself? Dies immediately via telepath mindfry. It also achieves the bonus of hiding what we did exactly to Crusade and our enemies! No clues for Project Prometheus for them, not even when we dropped it right in front of their eyes!

Narratively, there's something satisfying about SB finally getting a telepath like she so desires, only to be killed by her latest admirer. That, this really feels like the first and only time Seraph will remain narratively important thanks to her death at SB's hands, and since we know this will influence Ellie, it points her to the direction of Elysium and the Ladder which will be very plot important.
 
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[] Plan: LowTierTelepath
-[] Seraph
-[] Mr. Whaaa
-[] iSpy

Now, I hear what you're saying! The highest Potency Profile here is Seraph, isn't it a waste?

But you see, with iSpy able to percieve things from the perspective of her foes and Seraph having true telepathy, we can do the very funny tactic of hijacking Socialite Butterfly's clone network WHILE she has 0 idea who's doing it and how because of Mr. Whaaa's perception filter and iSpy's invisibility.

Juiced!Justiciar? Stops her edicts and turns them on Socialite Butterfly instead. The other clones? Dogpiles White Hawk before killing themselves.

Socialite Butterfly herself? Dies immediately via telepath mindfry. It also achieves the bonus of hiding what we did exactly to Crusade and our enemies!

Narratively, there's something satisfying about SB finally getting a telepath like she so desires, only to be killed by her latest admirer. That, this really feels like the first and only time Seraph will remain narratively important thanks to her death at SB's hands, and since we know this will influence Ellie, it points her to the direction of Elysium and the Ladder which will be very plot important.

Aren't Mr. Whaaa and iSpy "Literally who's"?

...even more obviously in Mr. Whaa's case, where that's his power.
 
Aren't Mr. Whaaa and iSpy "Literally who's"?

...even more obviously in Mr. Whaa's case, where that's his power.
Narratively, I want the focus to entirely be on Seraph so those two having no to minor narrative presence works for me. The last few chapters have done a lot to humanize Crusade (White Hawk is still a massive ass) and hinted at their complex history with Elysium, the Ladder, and the people in it, and putting Seraph at the spotlight reinforces that.

Granted, Mr. Whaaa? was part of a precious childhood memory of Ellie's since it's because of his power and his games that she spent a lot of time playing with her mother, so he's not completely irrelevant to her.
 
Since I noticed I spelled a name wrong/got part of it wrong, reposting this here for later grabbing :

[] Cruel Angel's Thesis
-[] Heavenly Astrologian
-[] The Red Huntress
-[] Justicar

Justicar's edicts thematically (and practically) absolutely WILL counter what's going on with the suicide, it'd be legit silly to argue otherwise considering this is partially a narrative exercise and fighting fire with fire is common.* It will likely work in interesting ways with Red Huntress, whose "get stronger as the threat escalates" power when taken up to Power 30 will likely go fucking hogwild on one of the most stupidly and unfairly (and as I said, kinda uninterestingly) overpowered characters in the entire setting.

Plus, sister v. sister is the narrative juice. It's all the fucking narrative juice.

Finally, Heavenly Astrologian is her mother... but she's also an absolute fucking powerhouse whose powers would work well with Edict-like bullshit and The Red Huntress' ability to mark or target.

All of the wholes we create will be greater than the sum of their parts, but this one combines actually giving a shit about narrative (something we've been told is important) with actually having synergistic powers for the situation.

*Like, arguments that the powers will happen to combine in some "womp womp it does nothing and you all die of suicide and the Quest ends" sense isn't frankly a sensible or honest evaluation, when Ellie is choosing them in this specific moment where Clone!Justicar is about to kill everyone.
Hmmm, you know what, countering Justiciar clone with her own power aside, I think I also buy this in a narrative sense to an extent. It's not as potentially big and impactful as Red Huntress or Heavenly Astrologian, but well Ellie also came out of a fight against Stockpile not too long ago and gave him the biggest lecture (and breaking his spirit a bit). Speaking with Justiciar's spirit might have some relevance.
 
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Her power isn't interesting because it doesn't actually have meaningful limits and is completely busted without actually including any interesting weaknesses or elements
This really doesn't seem true to me.

In fact, her power is pretty bad in a fight, what's mostly scary about her is preparation, ie that she's had decades to collect very strong admirers.

1) It takes time for her to create a new clone, it's not instant. This is quite relevant, her waiting for a Wolong clone is the only reason we had a chance.

2) It seems like she can't summon clones on demand, but does need to touch that clone? Ie the Admirers we've killed are actually kind of gone from her repository? Not sure about this.

3) Clones are quite stupid and immensely inflexible. We could have leaned on that more, but got value from it either way.

but well Ellie also came out of a fight against Stockpile not too long ago. Speaking with Justiciar's spirit might have some relevance.
Tbh I totally expect it to fuck Silvio up that Justiciar left him behind, but when Ellie cries for help she gets it from his captain.

I love it.
 
Tbh I totally expect it to fuck Silvio up that Justiciar left him behind, but when Ellie cries for help she gets it from his captain.
Knowing what I do of his personality he's going to see it as Ellie graverobbing, not as Justicar's ghost helping her of her own free will.

And, frankly, that's a perfectly reasonable assumption if you don't know about the stage and how this module works.
 
Man its offcial, this tops Faustian from the 1st place podium of the "Oh Leviathan What the hell is this clustefuck" award.

Im game for either the HA, RH and Justiciar combo
Or the Variant with Shutdown.
 
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This really doesn't seem true to me.

In fact, her power is pretty bad in a fight, what's mostly scary about her is preparation, ie that she's had decades to collect very strong admirers.

1) It takes time for her to create a new clone, it's not instant. This is quite relevant, her waiting for a Wolong clone is the only reason we had a chance.

2) It seems like she can't summon clones on demand, but does need to touch that clone? Ie the Admirers we've killed are actually kind of gone from her repository? Not sure about this.

3) Clones are quite stupid and immensely inflexible. We could have leaned on that more, but got value from it either way.

The problem is that it's not really a meaningful limitation because this Quest began three months ago in-universe. Being told that the villain spent decades prepping behind the scenes doesn't really necessarily narratively matter?

We never had any chance to actually interact with this foible, which makes it pretty useless narratively.
 
To be frank, I don't think he's going to see her ghost? Like, this is going to be an epic mind conversation sequence followed up by some sort of kickass battle.
I don't think that either. The problem is her power is... quite distinctive, so if the mixed power that comes out includes an Edict component it's, uh, gonna be pretty obvious she's borrowing Justicar's power, somehow. Hopefully he leaps to the conclusion it is because of the nearby clone.
 
Reviewing this fight makes me think that unless we want to protect someone who will go out of Doctor Silver's range, we should just command something like "protect people when possible, keep a shield in reserve" because those wasted shield levels felt painful.

About Socialite Butterfly, I'm actually still less annoyed by her than Yellow Qilin, but to be honest the most engaging villains so far were Faust and Scarlet Maturity, and even then as I said before they feel like shounen clichés. The rest have been rather meh.

On powerlevels, I'll just say I expected that sort of shit and it's even somewhat tame since she seems rather unskilled at using her power because she has never needed brute force.

And the only reason Black Swan hasn't nuked her from orbit is that we actually care about collateral damage. If we didn't she'd have to rely entirely in a Radiant Silvergirl clone despite her inflexibility, and if the clone messed up just once she'd might die right then and there.

Scarlet Maturity? He literally could punch the air so hard the atoms fuse and cause a nuclear explosion. And if he's not sure he killed her he could just do it again for the fans. Hell, put in this exact situation he could still use his power to fuse the atoms of his own body; it's not like he'd die from it.

Anyway, we should stop getting our underwears' in a twist because the Interlocutor will be much worse.
 
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I'll be honest, while I've been very much enjoying the fight, I definitely think the only reason SB didn't stomp all over us is because of her own incompetence. She had everyone in the house at her mercy once she got in and used Shutdown to incapacitate everyone but Yara, and... she used the opportunity to monologue and rave like a lunatic instead of stabbing everyone in the neck.

It's not a good feeling to know that your team survived not on its own strengths but on the enemy's weakness.

Edit: How the hell would this mission have gone if we'd taken it on Issue 2?? Would SB just outright win? ...Or maybe, without Wolong, she wouldn't have known we were recruiting her in the first place?
 
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This might be a stupid question to ask but will that be the case every time Ellie has to pull off Dynamite?
To an extent, but she's never used this before. The first time hits the hardest.
Yeah. Also, it does not have the canon tag? I thought I made it good enough. Was I wrong in the characterization of the mom?
She knew more about what was going on that was implied in the update!
I mean, that feels like it's overstating things, considering she apparently had the power to solo the entire JU at basically any time she wanted with the power of her clones, and JU was not--or at least we're told they were not--chumps.
She had no meaningful way of handing Eve. If a technopath realize she existed, she would have no way to hide.
That's the one!
Do we know any heroes with a time stop ability?
Zeno.
she doesn't make up for it by being interesting or having an interesting personality or having interesting goals or intentions.
Tbf, you don't know all other goals yet. This appears to be something she was ordered to do, and the went off the reservation doing it. Why she's a member of The Hand of Mysteries and what she wants is opaque to you.
…why do I feel like Bitterman is going to have another long quote post to do when he gets back?
😭
@Bitterman I assume there's a reason Ellie is going straight to Dynamite when it seems Power Null would still clean people up?
RS and HA are out of range. Even if she stops Justiciar, they'll kill her and SB will do it again.
@Bitterman , when does the vote open?
Now, but it will be open for at least two days!
I'll be honest, while I've been very much enjoying the fight, I definitely think the only reason SB didn't stomp all over us is because of her own incompetence
Again, that missed ESP check with her set the table. The second you missed her and she leaned you were coming, she had the advantage. And, if VG or VJ had been around to notice her, things would have changed. She got as lucky as you did.

I actually like SB, which is a shame I missed the mark writing her. Her powers of then definition of "prep" time. She can't make clones quickly and they're dumb as rocks without orders (see Rhys' shenanigans). She has all the power in the world, given not earned, and she can't maximize it because she has never truly been challenged in her life. The only thing she's truly good at is gaining power.
 
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If voting is now open…

[X] Plan Love, Unending (and Zeno's There)
-[X] Heavenly Astrologian, Han Yu
-[X] Apiary, Rosemary Ward
-[X] Zeno, Camdyn Poole


Freeze everything within sight, and while time's frozen, create more clones to create more eyes. Also good narratively and encourages us to take the Defiance Unit Fill-in for delicious angst.

Edit:
[X] Plan: I'm just here for the narrative
[X] Plan: LowTierTelepath
 
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiWVxhYDfsY




"Let Justice Be Done, Though The Heavens Fall."

*

"Leizi, I know you don't really like me. I don't care. I'm telling you this because I know you're the only one who will do it. You're not scared like the others. I need you to kill my sister."

*

"Tch. You wanna hear something stupid? After that, I thought . . . I thought if I learned to take care of myself, then maybe Mom wouldn't have to worry about me so much. Maybe she could do normal things she liked like reading, or exercising, or finally going out with Uncle Gabriel. So, one day, when I was eight, I cleaned the house and had dinner ready for her when she got home. I was so excited to show off what I could do. Stupid. Stupid. Mom came home, saw what I had done, and burst into tears. I thought it was because she was so happy, but then she started sobbing apologies to me. She said she was so sorry for being the worst mother in the world. That she was sorry she wasn't home enough. That her powers were the only thing that let her provide a good life for us, and New Dawn was the only organization that would let her keep her identity private. I . . . I didn't get it at the time. I just thought she was making excuses. So . . . I told her I hated her. I said I wished I had a different mom. I took it back immediately, and she said it was okay, but I know she never forgot it."




The Edict from Heaven, from some false God, has been called down:

"EDICT: ALL THINKING CREATURES MUST LOVE SOCIALITE BUTTERFLY WITH ALL THEIR HEARTS. PUNISHMENT: A LOSS OF ALL MOTOR SKILLS."

"EDICT: ALL THINKING CREATURES MUST RECOGNIZE THEY ARE LOWER THAN DIRT COMPARED TO SOCIALITE BUTTERFLY. PUNISHMENT: A LOSS OF ALL SENSORIUM."

"EDICT: ALL THINKING CREATURES NOT NAMED YARA OLIVEIRA OR KAITLYN ENGLISH MUST KILL THEMSELVES. PUNISHMENT: CONSTANT STIMULATION OF THE PAIN CENTERS OF THEIR BRAINS."


Another monster who puts herself first, another horror of this horrifying world. Justicar's justice had the magnificent equality that bans both rich and poor from sleeping under bridges, and reinforced the power and image of a country gone wrong. Yet now it is being used to enforce not some cruel justice, but the most vicious and absurd injustice: Thoughtcrime for not worshipping a false idol.

Ellie has faced down Stockpile, someone who idolized her as the Perfect Justice, among other things. We know it is not true, but now Stockpile's life is at stake as well. Though they are enemies, this sort of death is something you cannot wish on anyone.

Justicar's beliefs… even, or perhaps especially, they will cry out against the evil being done here. She cannot object, she cannot deny that in this moment, Socialite Butterfly must be stopped.

Justice must be done, and these are Edicts. Even powered up by Scarlet Maturity's clone, they are the edicts of a fool, and let the True Heaven strike down all who stand beneath it!

*​

The Red Huntress had terrible parents. Indeed, just about the only sympathetic thing about Socialite Butterfly is the clear fact that her parents were all-time worsts. She's long past the point of being saved, there's nothing left… but there was a child, once.

But Harper knows this. Harper knows it all, and even long before this moment she said it: kill my sister.

It has to be done, it has to be accomplished.

The Red Huntress marks her targets, and the Red Huntress grows stronger the greater the foe. And here Socialite Butterfly has brought before us the most stacked deck imaginable. Mark those who are unjust, those who are monsters, and grow strong from the bloody justice you will enact against those who cannot be given another way.

The time for mourning a girl long dead is later… now is the time for justice, red in tooth and claw.

Now is the time for the Red Huntress to ride again.

*​

Heavenly Astrologian always felt as if she was a failure. Ellie Han has lived in the shadow of a loving mother, a mother who clearly tried so hard, and against the likes of Harper's parents might as well have been the greatest parent of all time.

She defined herself by her powers, and by her love for her daughter, and in the end she died. She died, but her daughter lives.

And now her daughter is trying to save a child, to save another daughter cast to the winds. To try to save everyone she loves. To try to save the only people willing to work with a vision of the hero group that chewed her up and spit her out… that wouldn't have done that.

To come face to face and know this, that there is no reason to cry: her daughter has become a hero, and though one wishes always that you might be the last, that others might be safe, now Valiant Gold is seeking to protect others, to keep the world safe… and she can do it, with her mother's help.



A girl is crying in pain for salvation, and the Heavens shall and must answer. To mark that lives justly and doesn't, to tear apart the bonds of earth and sky alike, to let the hunt be guided by the stars above… to Exceed Beyond all limits, Ellie Han must come to face this… and then overcome it.

Justice,

Hunt

Heaven​



An angel needs only a single wing, for it is not its wings but its divine spirit that holds it aloft.




Go forth, young girl, and you'll become a legend


[X] Cruel Angel's Thesis
-[X] Justicar
-[X] The Red Huntress
-[X] Heavenly Astrologian​
 
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@Bitterman I've been reading another quest (Fractured Fantasy) with a bounty board and I was wondering if you would be interested in doing something similar.

Essentially it's a prompt list of scenes or fanart you would be interested in seeing get made. We already have the +1 system so you wouldn't have to worry about the reward. For fan art at least it definitely helps to have some sort of prompt to get the creative juices flowing.
 
[X] Plan: Cruel Angel's Thesis
-[X] Justicar
-[X] The Red Huntress
-[X] Heavenly Astrologian

[X] Plan: Narrative plus Shutdown
-[X] Heavenly Astrologian
-[X] The Red Huntress
-[X] Shutdown

I think Im going to vote for these.
If we ever get a Valiant Gold and Black Swan Team up Vs. Scarlet Maturity I want to (if needed) Dynamite him with a Combo of Apiary and Zeno.
Zeno since apperently he got killed before SM got there and Apiary for Round Two. Hell add Shudown to the mix as well.
 
[X] Cruel Angel's Thesis
-[X] Justicar
-[X] The Red Huntress
-[X] Heavenly Astrologian
Only one I'm not convinced of is Justicar, but the fact that her clone is the one causing such suffering is probably a serious narrative hammer here. The original destroying the fake.

[X] Plan: Cruel Angel's Thesis
-[X] Justicar
-[X] The Red Huntress
-[X] Heavenly Astrologian

[X] Plan: Narrative plus Shutdown
-[X] Heavenly Astrologian
-[X] The Red Huntress
-[X] Shutdown
 
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