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cauldrons possible stupid long term goal of heartbreaker includes him generating a large supply of masters that could be manipulated via carrot (freedom and safety from their father) and stick (Unstoppable thinker killing machine and I think alexandria is immune to mind control not sure.)
if they were planning around predictions on scion rampaging in a certain number of years then they might have started *harvesting* masters or have already done so in the past to have them in reserve ready to help the army form.
without escalation master taylor going control master on everyone to make em fight they would have holed up and hid and got picked off one by one. cauldron's plan might have been to use a small army of masters to doing something similar and it would make sense.
can't just have it be one master with a lot of prep time or the conflict drive and the broken person with it might get ideas and stop fearing cauldron. can't get enough masters over time that have the close enough power set they need so why not "farm" the one that fits what they need via power abuse and a governments constant want to kick the can down the road.
hell if they've had enough time already I would not doubt that at some point the "path" just had them mastering a number of world leaders into running along a path to keep everything running just wrong enough to become a trigger happy hell but just enough to thread the needle and keep held together.
Strong disagree even if you take it as whitewashed fanon Dragon Dauntless, Sundancer, Laserdream, Geneis, Gregor and a ton of maybes like Shielder exist.
Dragon has a list of about 9 morally bad things she did/does mostly regarding not caring about privacy and hacking. Firstly there's the dubious morality of her creepy foetus processors. Secondly there's how much she allows herself to run knowing Saint has some sort of hard counter to her and she can't disobey authority especially when she's had so many stolen or partially destroyed suits other tinkers could access. Thirdly there's the virus that allows remote accessing of infecting device's data and processing power that she sat back and let a cartel spread before taking them down for using it before taking over the network herself while implying she'd destroyed it.
Fourthly in Ward when Vicky connected her laptop to Dragon's systems to receive the prt case files Dragon snooped through all her files including reading the fake diary Teacher had planted on it which Dragon didn't know was fake, read and then held Vicky at arms length because of it's contents. Fifthly after Taylor killed Alexandria and Tagg Dragon buried that crime by releasing a false story about Alexandria being a Ziz bomb and her being stopped because Taylor came in and worked with them and was now a hero known as Weaver including making a new costume for it. Sixthly during the s9000 when they'd lost track of Jack Slash who was due to end the world at any moment Dragon was granted access to the stuff like traffic cameras specifically and solely to find him Dragon abused that access and slowed down the search by simultaneously running one for Saint using that access.
Finally there's how when Alec posted the contents of Sophia's phone online about the bullying. Dragon thought about what motive could he have for doing it and solely because she wanted to speak to Skitter again when she thought that the victim (Taylor) might be one of his teammates she went to a lot of effort doing an extensive look at the bullying and Taylor's life in general. This included combing the prt database, hospital records, police data and school records without consulting anyone or seeking any permission despite the fact she wouldn't be allowed to freely access them. She then did further digging and tracked down a really old photo of Taylor and ran a bunch of analysis on it against Skitter and confirmed they were the same person which no matter how you phrase it is at bare minimum breaking the unwritten rules if not laws which fanon Dragon would never consider doing. This btw is also how the prt had Taylor's id to use to unmask her at Arcadia.
Then as a maybe there's that possibility of contraceptives in the birdcage food.
USA probably got hit harder than Canada because Heartbreaker is Canada's sole known big threat while America has either 7 or 9 quarantined cities, has had other endbringer atks like Behemoth on New York and has had the nine specifically shatterbird roaming for a while.
Stranger effect on his suit from Dauntless's power
Like so many things the issue comes back to Cauldron are a bunch of idiots who think people will all come together willingly to fight Scion despite them not doing so for the endbringers because what else will they do which is why they pretty much just sat around not doing anything during gm.
non existent is word you looking for.
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When Alchemist slays the Dragonslayers, will he upgrade Ascalon so that Dragon can see him properly? Because when and if her restrictions are relaxed (but perhaps not completely released) so she no longer is forced to obey "rightful authority" (because authority in Worm is universally horrible, incompetent, stupid, and/or outright evil), she'd make for a great ally, especially if Al can pull her into his orbit like he's done with so many people in all the storylines so far.
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Unlike a cauldron where anything and everything is tossed in based on the hope of a good (soup) outcome, Alec works with known catalysts causing a particular reaction. He reduces the result and forms a solution.
Chemistry. -Ist not -y
Chemistry. -Ist not -y
Pure fanon. Say what you will about the authorities, but they absolutely did not do this.
In fact, them going after him is a plot point. The whole reason Cherish left the family in the first place is because they had just recently gotten attacked by the Heroes, and had to sacrifice almost everything to escape.
And to have Dragon, of all people, make the argument, after she was just waxing poetic about wanting to be free?
They went after him solely in retaliation for him kidnapping a famous actress but once they rescued her they stopped even if it had cost him something like half his thralls. In fact they had nothing to do with Heartbreaker's defeat in canon after Behemoth's death at some point Aisha by herself tracked him down and tormented him into suicide.
You are, to put it simply, making stuff up. That is absolutely not in the text.
The only evidence that the authorities might not be so keen on pursuing Heartbreaker comes from a Reddit post from the author, explaining how hard it is to pursue someone like that. And in that same post he explained that they kept going after him anyway, even though it always ended in mass casualties and no capture.
Not only is there nothing in the story to justify what you're saying, the author has flat-out contradicted you.
Thozmp
Gets my kicks above the waistline, Sunshine.
What exactly was the expectation of "handle them?" Like, was he expecting Dragon to foam them all up so they wouldn't be a risk to themselves or something?
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They're tied up and ready to haul out. Dragon needs to call in for Capes that are immune to Master effects, or at least some drones.
After that, it's whatever the PRoT's policies are for such things.
Dragon is the officer of what passes for the law, sworn to (presumably) assist civilians and deal with Cape matters.. Al is not. It's her job to handle the aftermath of this situation, not his.
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Dragon is disaster relief and existential threat combat no? Not law enforcement.
Hm. It seems that the idea that wild bow went with when making Heartbreaker problematic was...
To have actually be a hedonistic fuck stick who cares only for himself. But also actually operate in cult like and intelligence focused manner.
"Maybe it's one of the once-a-year times when something slips. A kid gets recognized. Forces mobilize, the mole alerts Heartbreaker. Forces teleport in or mobilize via. flying vehicles, and Heartbreaker is already gone and running. He's got kids like Guillaume and the like, who already have dozens of unwitting spies watching (Guillame touches everyone in a crowd, and senses through their eyes, like Taylor's swarm sense, minus the control aspect, and can temporarily blind them or fuzz their senses), allowing the escape route to be plotted, and the group gets a few seconds of warning time before the flying suit passes over the area. Capes are forced to move in groups, because moving out alone means running the risk that Cherish might sense them, and the small group of Heartbreaker's kids, a handful of captured capes, and his elite zealot-soldiers could flank them and give Heartbreaker the moment he needs to wololo the solo cape."
Still it's unlikely anything could be satisfying enough when the government allows this level of evil to exist. I'm not going to think about the kinds of evils governments have been happy to ignore or encourage in the past.
If heartbreaker used his power even remotely as widely as Wildbow said there are going to be fireworks.
Not that it really excuses people letting things get this bad : /
Still yelling at Dragon. Someone he knows could not countermand orders stings.
Hm. It seems that the idea that wild bow went with when making Heartbreaker problematic was...
To have actually be a hedonistic fuck stick who cares only for himself. But also actually operate in cult like and intelligence focused manner.
"Maybe it's one of the once-a-year times when something slips. A kid gets recognized. Forces mobilize, the mole alerts Heartbreaker. Forces teleport in or mobilize via. flying vehicles, and Heartbreaker is already gone and running. He's got kids like Guillaume and the like, who already have dozens of unwitting spies watching (Guillame touches everyone in a crowd, and senses through their eyes, like Taylor's swarm sense, minus the control aspect, and can temporarily blind them or fuzz their senses), allowing the escape route to be plotted, and the group gets a few seconds of warning time before the flying suit passes over the area. Capes are forced to move in groups, because moving out alone means running the risk that Cherish might sense them, and the small group of Heartbreaker's kids, a handful of captured capes, and his elite zealot-soldiers could flank them and give Heartbreaker the moment he needs to wololo the solo cape."
Still it's unlikely anything could be satisfying enough when the government allows this level of evil to exist. I'm not going to think about the kinds of evils governments have been happy to ignore or encourage in the past.
Alchemist didn't have a plan. And if I guess right is actively trying to avoid thinking about the fallout.
If heartbreaker used his power even remotely as widely as Wildbow said there are going to be fireworks.
Not that it really excuses people letting things get this bad : /
Still yelling at Dragon. Someone he knows could not countermand orders stings.
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She's a member of The Guild and The Protectorate.
If she's not an enforcer of the law, then members of either organization are incapable of enforcing the law, which means they're useless.
Well, even more useless.
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these last 2 chapter were realy good, the heartbreaker scene had this mafia feel to it.
on a side note i do wonder how alchemist would do if he ended up in undertale, with no gamer powers save for determination, just how different his journey would be, compared to Frisks.
on a side note i do wonder how alchemist would do if he ended up in undertale, with no gamer powers save for determination, just how different his journey would be, compared to Frisks.
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Not true, off the top of my head the smallest virus I can think of is three lines of code, and that's far less than 1kb. You can do a crapload with 90, and the average in 2010 (think that is this timeline) was around 300 according to the first google result I found.
The Dragon perspective might not have been the best for this last scene in the house. It felt unnecessarily unclear to me, even if it was still understandable with a little more effort.
Thozmp
Gets my kicks above the waistline, Sunshine.
The first time Al says "Handle them" they are not tied up, they are unbound, holding knives and other makeshift weapons, panicky and distressed. So, I wasn't sure what he was expecting Dragon to do there.
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Well, she's the hero, and she's the responder to the death of Niko Vasil. If she didn't come prepared for civilians in trouble, that's kind of her fault. I mean, she knew the kinds of things that had to happen in the Vasil household, so expecting broken women and children should have been expected. Therefore, he's not wrong to expect her to be able to handle it, or to have someone else who can waiting in the wings.
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im more interested in what kind of conversations he will have with the monsters, would he get along with Papyrus and Sans well? what about Toriel or Undyne? it could be very interesting, mabe he will convince undyne to stop fighting him, mabe monster kid will intervene and Undyne will spare him becouse he left a big impresion on them, so many possibilities!
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Alec wasn't saying "Handle this current/immediate mess in this dwelling", he was saying "The societal cancer that should have been surgically removed well before it metastasised to this extent has much belatedly been cut out and now YOU are in charge of the consequences of the increased damage this incurred AND the overall healing/recovery/restraint of these traumatised victims, further trauma perpetrators and traumatised victims-future-perpetrators."
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So Al did this both because it's necessary and also to distract Dragon.
Saint and the Birdcage next, I guess?
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Is this protagonist centered morality in action?
You guys are giving Alec far too much credit.
Unless they sterilize the prisoners before tossing them in The Birdcage. Although with the brutes that would seem hard to do.
I know Wildbow wanted to avoid rape in his story, but it really should have been mentioned with regards to The Birdcage being mixed gender how there were no babies born in there.
I thought there were 8, but I don't know if that's canon or fanon. I don't know how many were still alive.
Teleport to Teacher in The Birdcage, then shoot Teacher in the head before leaving the Dragonslayers behind.
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Oh, Teacher is absolutely going to die.
I kind of hope Al dangles him right in front of Saint just before crushing his ribcage (and Saint's hope) like a Christmas cracker and tearing out his heart.
Can't fire off guns in such a fragile death trap, after all.
Brave Sir Alec ran away!
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Sadly only in worm where he at least keeps it to background details at most having something like Alec reveal he's raped people before and I think the closest worm itself actually gets is when Alec takes over Sophia's body and he uses her own hands to feel herself up. Ward tho is a lot more explicit and nasty about stuff like that even down to what powers some people have I wouldn't even go into detail about nursery for example because that's the kind of thing you hear about trashy Japanese hentai horror movies doing so idk if you even can go into detail without breaking site rules.
There are still other horrible powers tho like the guy with his own personal torture pocket dimension or sidepiece I think they are called who peels, picks or tears off bits of their own body because they explode when thrown with her preferring her stomach organs especially her ovaries so she also goes around most of the time with her stomach innards exposed because while they slowly regrow it's not that fast. Plus then there's things like Cradle working out how to make cuts that leave the things cut connected via portals so wounds etc don't bleed and he gave it so a bunch of psychos who diced groups of people into chunks so small it took a long time before they even realised they were bits of people.
Pretty much the only thing in doubt is which reference or one liner will he drop as he does it.