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Hopefully it'll get a bit less weird.
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Hopefully it'll get a bit less weird.
Wade Garrett
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"Cromwell Jr. will never expect my paddleboat armada to cross through Egypt and come at him from the other side of the map!"
Let me see. This is my idea for a Shun Infantry division.
1 Legion (16,000 men, 400 75s) 1.25EP
1 Recon Company (250 men) .3125 EP
1 Field Hospital (250 men) .3125 EP
1 Engineering Company (250 men) .3125 EP
Total Cost: 2.1875
That's slightly more than an army of 200,000 men.
Now let's say I applied all the upgrades to a Legion.
1.25x1.25x1.25x1.25=2.44
That's only slightly more expensive
Also my economy is five so Theravis's system a Chinese warlord state can only field two legions with support companies or it can increase that amount to 405,000 men with excluding two groups of 750 men. And the reason for the 5,000? 1 Brigade (5,000) is one half the cost of an army. @Theravis did you ever bother making an army yourself with this system? It's FUBAR. Utterly FUBAR.
1 Legion (16,000 men, 400 75s) 1.25EP
1 Recon Company (250 men) .3125 EP
1 Field Hospital (250 men) .3125 EP
1 Engineering Company (250 men) .3125 EP
Total Cost: 2.1875
That's slightly more than an army of 200,000 men.
Now let's say I applied all the upgrades to a Legion.
1.25x1.25x1.25x1.25=2.44
That's only slightly more expensive
Also my economy is five so Theravis's system a Chinese warlord state can only field two legions with support companies or it can increase that amount to 405,000 men with excluding two groups of 750 men. And the reason for the 5,000? 1 Brigade (5,000) is one half the cost of an army. @Theravis did you ever bother making an army yourself with this system? It's FUBAR. Utterly FUBAR.
Theravis
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It's on the list.
THatWhichWillBe
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I think the problem is that @Theravis didn't scale the Economy cost to number of manpower, he just put them in a ranking list.
So it ends up that 1/2 a unit doesn't cost 1/2 of a unit, it costs something like 8/10 of that unit.
Yeah, it's just silly.
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Technically you have your two default points in there too, but the issue stands.
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I think we can adjust some things without making the lib arts types cry too much.
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Part of the issue there is that EP are rather large units, and in order for the specialist stuff we wanted the military numbers had to go right to the bottom.
There'll be some conversion factors to work through, but in the end stuff will be cheaper, more logical, and easier to do sub unit mods.
THatWhichWillBe
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Wow, easy mode much?
I'm calculating this stuff by hand.
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I'm confused by this statement.
Thank god, really.
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STEM vs lib-arts joke, nvm.
THatWhichWillBe
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I think I find the biggest issue is that you can buy 300 planes for the cost of 80 if you buy a Group instead of 4 Squadrons.
That, and that you can have 400 submarines for the price of a single battleship. I don't know about you guys, but I will take those 400 submarines and terrorize the hell out of your single battleship.
I realize that figuring out numbers for this stuff is difficult. How do you balance the cost of seven different classes of ships? Some of them are more effective than others in certain roles, some are more effective in other roles, sometimes because of how these roles match up, you can get three different ships that can't really be ordered in a 'better' versus 'worse' list since they can all beat each other, depending on which goes against which...
When I realized that, I realized I'm going to wait a bit until army costs are more final before I figure out exactly how I'm going to split my sadly less than 100,000 potential manpower. Also holy crap, does the Mughal empire have a manpower potential of about 14.5 million people? O_O
So, is there a time for first turns to be done, @Theravis?
Also, you said that @Estro is the Economy mod, are there other mods? If so, who are they?
That, and that you can have 400 submarines for the price of a single battleship. I don't know about you guys, but I will take those 400 submarines and terrorize the hell out of your single battleship.
I realize that figuring out numbers for this stuff is difficult. How do you balance the cost of seven different classes of ships? Some of them are more effective than others in certain roles, some are more effective in other roles, sometimes because of how these roles match up, you can get three different ships that can't really be ordered in a 'better' versus 'worse' list since they can all beat each other, depending on which goes against which...
When I realized that, I realized I'm going to wait a bit until army costs are more final before I figure out exactly how I'm going to split my sadly less than 100,000 potential manpower. Also holy crap, does the Mughal empire have a manpower potential of about 14.5 million people? O_O
So, is there a time for first turns to be done, @Theravis?
Also, you said that @Estro is the Economy mod, are there other mods? If so, who are they?
THatWhichWillBe
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Well.... Yes.
Last game, I threw about 1 million men at a Fae invasion that Europe was trying to fight.
The Fae lost a third of their original strength that first year.
And it felt so good.
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That's craaaaazy amounts of potential soldiers o.o
THatWhichWillBe
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Potential. I don't have the economy to make that large of an army, compared to other countries with better economies.
THatWhichWillBe
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I think that buying units shouldn't be set numbers, but rather percentages of total manpower.
Though that might be a little biased coming from me....
It would be more reasonable to just increase the numbers a set econ point can get.
Theravis
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True, but that does mean you can lose a lot of armies before you start having problems replacing them
THatWhichWillBe
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This too.
Numbers make my head hurt just make it like Fractured Galaxy
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Unlikely, as is the percentage thing.
More probable are discounts for conscript forces and poorly armed but numerous formations. Remember, you're essentially paying for a professional standing army. It's not so much a bug as a feature that if you wanna surge military spending you'll need to cut other projects.
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At my current trade deal I have 18 with just 5 trade deals and focusing on politics, not profit. If I sell land to the West Indies that could mean more. I intend to open a railway from my east coast to the Morrocan west coast, and hope to be THE trade route from Asia to Europe which should mean more. 30 is not that far out of reach I think.
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I was just pointing out how close I was already to 30 and you have nations like France already halfway there.