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East germany used SA2,SA4 and SA6 soviet AA missiles they do not need modern technology to made. So, problems with lack of modern parts for computers is solved - that missiles do not need them.
P.S i read, that SA 2 was improved copy of german prototype taken by soviets in 1945 - but i do not knew, if it is true or not.
 
East germany used SA2,SA4 and SA6 soviet AA missiles they do not need modern technology to made. So, problems with lack of modern parts for computers is solved - that missiles do not need them.
P.S i read, that SA 2 was improved copy of german prototype taken by soviets in 1945 - but i do not knew, if it is true or not.

Lack of infrastructure. While those are a lot simple to make, are there any factories able to actually build the components operational and if not, given how much superior newer technology is, like in hit rates, etc... is it worth it building the infrastructure necessary to make them? Could it be build in time to make any difference and if that's feasible, would any new production lines build enough such missiles to affect the war?

In the medium run, if Germany survives and gets a cease-fire, it certainly would be much cheaper and feasible to build a lot of older weapons as a mainstray of the military, while maintaining the know how of building modern ones instead of going for across the board upgrade on everything. After all, in case of a victory, the germans will have a lot of vital programs competing for funding which will have little to do with the military. Helping rebuild Europe for both political and economic reasons comes to mind.

Paradoxally, while much more expensive, harder and slower to make, in the case of missiles and such, expanding production lines or if feasible building the factories for whatever components that were imported might be actualy faster and better in absolute terms as far as short war is concerned. While I've read this story twice, I didn't pay much attention to the comments and can't recall how many modern missiles if any Germany could manufacture per month.

While older equipment is certainly simpler and cheaper to make, that's not necessary a silver bullet. Given the partiuclarly interesting meger produced by this ISOT idea, the old Germany factories should be able to relatively easily produce updated models of the vehicles they were busy building, perhaps vehicles that are a generation or two more advanced. In the case of your suggestion however, I don't know if it's feasible.

And I'll stop now because I'm starting to ramble.
 
What's the state of the IJN? If America resumes its island-hopping campaign instead of bullheadedly focusing on Europe things could get hairy.
Not only the IJN is still a fighting force, the USN is also severely depleted, evening out the field and making any naval battle a fair fight dangerous gamble. Even if they wish to continue across the pacific they have to limit themselves to containing that front as well as they can while striking from SE Asia with air support from ground based fighters, along the Indonesian archipelago, and north through the Philippines, which would finally put INJ's major naval base in Taiwan in range of Allied air power.

While taking Taiwan would make the losses at Guadalcanal seem like chump change, it would open the the way into Japan itself... Well, this is easier said than done, the Ryukyu islands alone would be another campaign of 1000Km worth of island hopping until they arrived at the Japanese main islands.
 
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The Germans currently teaching the IJN/IJA important lessons, including overhauling ships. That's one reason, why the fleet is at home. Also the 25 mm flak won't have a great future any longer. And don't forget, that the losses of Alta make the US think twice before making a suicide attack. They are about on even numbers and fighting against land based aircraft, submarines AND the IJN will be an adventure.
 
Lack of infrastructure. While those are a lot simple to make, are there any factories able to actually build the components operational and if not, given how much superior newer technology is, like in hit rates, etc... is it worth it building the infrastructure necessary to make them? Could it be build in time to make any difference and if that's feasible, would any new production lines build enough such missiles to affect the war?

In the medium run, if Germany survives and gets a cease-fire, it certainly would be much cheaper and feasible to build a lot of older weapons as a mainstray of the military, while maintaining the know how of building modern ones instead of going for across the board upgrade on everything. After all, in case of a victory, the germans will have a lot of vital programs competing for funding which will have little to do with the military. Helping rebuild Europe for both political and economic reasons comes to mind.

Paradoxally, while much more expensive, harder and slower to make, in the case of missiles and such, expanding production lines or if feasible building the factories for whatever components that were imported might be actualy faster and better in absolute terms as far as short war is concerned. While I've read this story twice, I didn't pay much attention to the comments and can't recall how many modern missiles if any Germany could manufacture per month.

While older equipment is certainly simpler and cheaper to make, that's not necessary a silver bullet. Given the partiuclarly interesting meger produced by this ISOT idea, the old Germany factories should be able to relatively easily produce updated models of the vehicles they were busy building, perhaps vehicles that are a generation or two more advanced. In the case of your suggestion however, I don't know if it's feasible.

And I'll stop now because I'm starting to ramble.

Currently Germany can build modern equipment like the IRIS-T, Patriot, Meteor or RBS-15 missiles, but indeed they are too costly and too few to make. They need supplemented by DT equipment. GDR equipment CAN be used to aa certain degree, but mostly after the war. However, you can expect much better Enzian and Wasserfall SAMs.
 
Not only the IJN is still a fighting force, the USN is also severely depleted, evening out the field and making any naval battle a fair fight dangerous gamble. Even if they wish to continue across the pacific they have to limit themselves to containing that front as well as they can while striking from SE Asia with air support from ground based fighters, along the Indonesian archipelago, and north through the Philippines, which would finally put INJ's major naval base in Taiwan in range of Allied air power.

While taking Taiwan would make the losses at Guadalcanal seem like chump change, it would open the the way into Japan itself... Well, this is easier said than done, the Ryukyu islands alone would be another campaign of 1000Km worth of island hopping until they arrived at the Japanese main islands.

Yeah, IIRC this is a major concern for the USN and USAAF, actually mentioned in one of the recent chapters. Between the losses at D-Day, the transfer of experienced naval crews and airmen from the Pacific to the Atlantic in the aftermath, then the annihilation of those reinforcements during the Great Atlantic Carrier Hunt, the USN is increasingly-dependent on green personnel. They're essentially beginning to suffer the problem which crippled the Austro-Hungarian Army during WWI, i.e. the junior officer and NCO corps were effectively wiped out, and leaving the military struggling to properly on the battlefield.


The Germans currently teaching the IJN/IJA important lessons, including overhauling ships. That's one reason, why the fleet is at home. Also the 25 mm flak won't have a great future any longer. And don't forget, that the losses of Alta make the US think twice before making a suicide attack. They are about on even numbers and fighting against land based aircraft, submarines AND the IJN will be an adventure.

I'm guessing the IJN is switching to the German 3.7 cm Flak 37 or 3.7 cm Flak 43.
 
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Yes, the USN has a personnel problem. Many are green. And yes, the 3,7 cm flak will be used on Japanese ships en masse. But the numbers needed are exceeding the import and local production. So the 2,5 cm flak will still be in use until the end of the war.
 
America didn't go straight for the home islands in OTL, I would imagine they would attack some islands to try severing Japan's supply routes to Indonesia first. And the Americans making a suicide attack straight at the home islands when the IJN is still a fighting force would be an immersion-breaking act of stupidity.
That would be utter imbecility as you said.
Yeah, but the fixation of Roosevelt on the European theatre will be the end of US naval operations in the Pacific theatre. If the US starts to swing back its focus on the Pacific theatre the situation (at least out of the Home Islands) will improve significantly and will once again start problems for the IJN.
 
On another note (sorry if this has been addressed earlier in this story), what is uptime Germany's stance towards the Czechs and Slovaks who were forced out of the Sudetenland and southern Slovakia in and after 1938? Does the government intend to allow them to return, or is the ethnic cleansing of the area effectively permanent?
 
On another note (sorry if this has been addressed earlier in this story), what is uptime Germany's stance towards the Czechs and Slovaks who were forced out of the Sudetenland and southern Slovakia in and after 1938? Does the government intend to allow them to return, or is the ethnic cleansing of the area effectively permanent?
for they must be allowed to return, but there will be resentment and some will not return.
 
That would be utter imbecility as you said.
Yeah, but the fixation of Roosevelt on the European theatre will be the end of US naval operations in the Pacific theatre. If the US starts to swing back its focus on the Pacific theatre the situation (at least out of the Home Islands) will improve significantly and will once again start problems for the IJN.

As I said, the Japanese are like a boxer in the ropes, who is rescued by the gong. For the moment. They have ONE punch left. If the US had decided to make a Japan first strategy they had caused much more problems. So they lost great parts of their fleet (and more important seamen). One punch, and THEY MIGHT be in the ropes.
 
If Germany win, what happen to the colonies countries that Japan occupies? Like South East Asia: Malaysia, Vietnam, Lao....

Does Germany through them under the bus just for peace?
 
The reason why Luftwaffe pilots were underperforming wasn't because they were lacking in skill. How else would you explain the ludicrous number of aces in their ranks, or the amount of kills?
Their main issue late-war was that A) Allied Air Forces outnumbered the Axis and B) Experienced pilots weren't being rotated to instructor postings frequently enough and C) Fresh pilots were being pumped out with progressively less and less training while the early-to-mid war pilots in the Luftwaffe were either veterans of the Spanish Civil War or trained by them.

They are under performing because two reasons:
  1. There isn't enough fuel to give new pilots all the training they need. This can greatly alleviated by using UT civilian and military flight simulators. That's a very big boon of UT technogy that can help even with training panzer crews.
  2. Most of Germany aircraft production was made using slave labourers and it was very faulty both by lack of interest and outright sabotage. If you substitute them by woman workers or free them, give live better conditions and hope in the future I think the quality would improve.
 
In another decade or so, if any companies make ww2 games, Germany's army really is fitting the term "OP please neft".

Pardon my unfunny humor, but just imagining the Brits or any Allies nations watch or play otl ww2 films or games is.... sorry but I can't stop laughing.
 
'Hearts of Iron' games will look a lot different, and of course there will be 'no time-travelling Germans' mods ...
 
'Hearts of Iron' games will look a lot different, and of course there will be 'no time-travelling Germans' mods ...

Just think about all the DLCs, each dedicaded to its own time travelong major and minor nations... Speaking about otl games, Wolfenstein - time travel explains better all the crazy tech the nazi got in those games better me thinks...

Now, back on topic, what are the odds the IJN gets their wish and fights the Decisive Battle TM?
 
"It was clear that 'Z' was an outstanding pilot, definitely one from (Wolfram) von Richthofen's inner circle. A hundred times I examined my mind to find out different ways of attacking him—from above, from below, from the clouds or the sun. But these ideas always were countered and turned against you by 'Z'. 'Z' wasn't someone whom you could lure into a trap, or who would lose nerve in a frontal attack. You would think that you had him dead in your sights only for 'Z' to turn the tables on you. No matter what you did he would always manage to get the upper hand in a fight."
- Russian Ace Mikhail Avdeyev.

Mikhail wrote at length about an opponent encountered during WWII and named the pilot 'Z'. The pilot known as 'Z' was Anton Hackl from Regensburg who had fought on all fronts in Europe and took part in the Yamatoverteidigung.


Gerald Johnson's P-38

The whole operation was already going off track badly. The defenders were singling out leader planes and were successful in sowing chaos. Jerry had shot down an 'Oscar', the pilot's parachute just floating out of sight, when for a few moments his Lightning and an Fw 190 flew side by side. Seeing the space on the cockpit side, he remembered that the Luftwaffe was painting their victories on the side rudder or the tail fin.

Jerry threw a quick look at the tail of the 'Butcher Bird', as many allied pilots called the Focke-Wulf fighter and was surprised. There were well over 150 markings, this was not a newbie, but a top ace! And Gerald saw that the German pilot was looking at his Lightning as well.

The two aces evaluated each other, both knowing the other to be a threat. Toni Hackl had ten times the victories of Gerald Johnson but knew that most fighter pilots never became aces, so every ace had to be good to become one.

Gerald Johnson had never met an enemy ace with such a high total in the air. Whoever he was, he had to be a great pilot, astute and experienced. Unknown to him at that time, Tetsuzo Iwamoto and Hiroyoshi Nishizawa the leading Japanese aces were in this battle as well.

Ironically, this proved to be the closest both pilots would come to engaging each other, neither Hackl nor Johnson would engage each other this day, their respective roles and orders leading them to different parts of the air battle. Toni Hackl added nine victories to his already impressive total and Johnson himself adding two kills to his, would lead the retreating US planes home.

The successful defence of Tokyo that day was seen as one of the turning points in the Pacific Theatre. The strategy of making the war unbelievably expensive in men and materiel for the Allies, to force them to the negotiation table, was bearing fruit.

For several years neither Gerald Johnson nor Hiroyoshi Nishizawa would learn that uptime Germany's arrival and actions in the war would save their lives. The Japanese ace would never be a passenger on a certain ill-fated transport plane late in the war and the American ace would not fly his bomber into a typhoon postwar.
I liked the battle very much, very spectacular, but it would be much more effective to send to bomber bases like Iwo-Jima several Hercules or A400 loaded with combustible-air bombs and destroy then without needing to do in the air losing fighters.

In addition to that, if you have EW aircraft it would possible to jam USA planes radio frequencies when in combat rendering them unable to coordinate. Only that would convert them in sitting ducks, losing planes in the scale of Soviet at the start of Barbarrossa.
 
If Germany win, what happen to the colonies countries that Japan occupies? Like South East Asia: Malaysia, Vietnam, Lao....

Does Germany through them under the bus just for peace?

Well one of the issues is that Germany lacks the reach to enforce anything in SEA.

Second they need to care more about their Relationship with the the other European Powers.

Third not agreeing to any kind of peace can have major repercussions for internal stability in Germany, because a significant amount of up-timers are isolationist or pacifists.



So the best possible scenario they could setup is European Powers to tired for imperial ambitions, and the US and Japan checking each other, and pay everyone to not do dumb shit.
 
Currently Germany can build modern equipment like the IRIS-T, Patriot, Meteor or RBS-15 missiles, but indeed they are too costly and too few to make. They need supplemented by DT equipment. GDR equipment CAN be used to aa certain degree, but mostly after the war. However, you can expect much better Enzian and Wasserfall SAMs.
Now i remember, that i read about SA2 being improved copy of Wasserfall - but Igor Witkowski,who once wrote that, now is writing about good aliens who would come to save us from evil american way of life, so....i do not knew,how reliable his sources are. He wrote about german UFO,too.
 
I liked the battle very much, very spectacular, but it would be much more effective to send to bomber bases like Iwo-Jima several Hercules or A400 loaded with combustible-air bombs and destroy then without needing to do in the air losing fighters.

In addition to that, if you have EW aircraft it would possible to jam USA planes radio frequencies when in combat rendering them unable to coordinate. Only that would convert them in sitting ducks, losing planes in the scale of Soviet at the start of Barbarrossa.

The bases the US bombers take off are in India. So bombing them would be problematic. Yes, Germany can bomb them, but has too little adequate planes. And only a few MOABs out of US stores. So, for the time being, a conventional solution is needed. Jamming radio frequencies is possible, but there are too few EW aircraft available. Furthermore you don't want to jam them, if it isn't necessary, especially as the chatting US pilots can give you more information. And I don't mean the girl in the next village. And you should have means to surprise the enemy.

Oh, the SA-2 is not an improved copy of the C-2 Wasserfall.
 
The bases the US bombers take off are in India. So bombing them would be problematic. Yes, Germany can bomb them, but has too little adequate planes. And only a few MOABs out of US stores. So, for the time being, a conventional solution is needed. Jamming radio frequencies is possible, but there are too few EW aircraft available. Furthermore you don't want to jam them, if it isn't necessary, especially as the chatting US pilots can give you more information. And I don't mean the girl in the next village. And you should have means to surprise the enemy.

Oh, the SA-2 is not an improved copy of the C-2 Wasserfall.

Speaking of India: Will we see any diplomacy/intrigue in that direction?
 
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