Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

[UberJJK]

It gets slowed down to match the time dilation. So while a Flare Shooter fired at someone in a TS is faster for them when it's still outside, once it enters the TS, it'll seemingly slow down to the normal speed for those also in the TS.

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Which would result in power increases/decreases as I mentioned above. Remember the energy doesn't enter the field as one uniform block. With Temporal Sludge for example front enters first and slows down while the energy behind that is still traveling the same speed. This results in any energy entering bunching up which increases the power since the same energy is being delivered over a shorter timeframe.

The reason I bring up how magic probably means the normal logic with temporal distortions doesn't apply is because this power adjustment applies to any form of energy entering/exiting the field such as light. If you are inside a Temporal Sludge the outside should look approximately 3x brighter and significantly bluer while to an outside observer you would look approximately three times dimmer and significantly redder.

 

[Silently Watches]

Which would result in power increases/decreases as I mentioned above. Remember the energy doesn't enter the field as one uniform block. With Temporal Sludge for example front enters first and slows down while the energy behind that is still traveling the same speed. This results in any energy entering bunching up which increases the power since the same energy is being delivered over a shorter timeframe.

The reason I bring up how magic probably means the normal logic with temporal distortions doesn't apply is because this power adjustment applies to any form of energy entering/exiting the field such as light. If you are inside a Temporal Sludge the outside should look approximately 3x brighter and significantly bluer while to an outside observer you would look approximately three times dimmer and significantly redder.

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This same question popped up after Temporal Sludge was revealed. Short answer is no because magic.

Long answer is because I took just enough physics in undergrad to qualify for med school and my major, and the only things I've read about in that field since have been bits and pieces based on what caught my curiosity at the time. That's it, and honestly that is all I need for my work. I don't have the time or interest to research the theoretical effects of time dilation, so I'm hand waving it away.

 

[UberJJK]

This same question popped up after Temporal Sludge was revealed. Short answer is no because magic.

Long answer is because I took just enough physics in undergrad to qualify for med school and my major, and what I've read about since has been bits and pieces based on what caught my curiosity. That's it, and honestly that is all I need for my work. I don't have the time or interest to research the theoretical effects of time dilation, so I'm hand waving it away.

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I figured as much since pretty much all fiction that tries to deal with regions of accelerated/decelerated time just treats it as things inside moving faster/slower. It's much easier that way. Especially since you don't have to think about how anything crossing the threshold should be ripped apart by the tidal stresses.

 

[LancerisDead]

I'm surprised that Frost Beam isn't one of Ragnarok's conditions. I thought what with the issue being our LC overstressing and exploding the mechanics behind Frost Beam would allow us to at least better deal with the sheer energy usage of the spell. Oh well.

So that leaves Divide Energy and AMF to follow as the most likely ones. I just can't see how Bind, Burst or Shell Shield could have anything to do with it.

 

[Jakobstj]

I'm surprised that Frost Beam isn't one of Ragnarok's conditions. I thought what with the issue being our LC overstressing and exploding the mechanics behind Frost Beam would allow us to at least better deal with the sheer energy usage of the spell. Oh well.

So that leaves Divide Energy and AMF to follow as the most likely ones. I just can't see how Bind, Burst or Shell Shield could have anything to do with it.

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I can't see how Frost Beam could have anything to do with it, myself.

 

[edale]

I figured as much since pretty much all fiction that tries to deal with regions of accelerated/decelerated time just treats it as things inside moving faster/slower. It's much easier that way. Especially since you don't have to think about how anything crossing the threshold should be ripped apart by the tidal stresses.

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A wizard did it.

So that leaves Divide Energy and AMF to follow as the most likely ones. I just can't see how Bind, Burst or Shell Shield could have anything to do with it.

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You don't see how fully mastering our long range blaster type spells could affect our ability to cast our strongest long range blaster type spell?

I'm missing your logic there.

 

[veekie]

You don't see how fully mastering our long range blaster type spells could affect our ability to cast our strongest long range blaster type spell?

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In Nanoha setting, the two spell categories associated for developing nuke spells are:
-Energy transfer spells
-Binds\seals

Learning a blasting spell just means you blast better with that specific type of nuke spell.

Starlight Breaker was itself a brutally abused modification of Jewel Seed Seal joined to another fork of the same.

 

[Faraway-R]

Starlight Breaker was itself a brutally abused modification of Jewel Seed Seal joined to another fork of the same.

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Where in the 97+ Non-Administrated Worlds and who knows how many Administrated Worlds did you get THAT from?!

 

[Hawkmoon]

I'm surprised that Frost Beam isn't one of Ragnarok's conditions. I thought what with the issue being our LC overstressing and exploding the mechanics behind Frost Beam would allow us to at least better deal with the sheer energy usage of the spell. Oh well.

So that leaves Divide Energy and AMF to follow as the most likely ones. I just can't see how Bind, Burst or Shell Shield could have anything to do with it.

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You do realize that none of the spells in our Calamity Witch template may influence Ragnarok further? One of the ways to cast Ragnarok safely was getting Cartridges. And that was under the Knight tree. The other options might have been under the support or "tinker" trees. Or even under a Support Guardian Beast.
For all we know one of the options might have something to do with having a compatible Unison Device and being in Unison Mode (which comes from the Tinker tree). Unison Devices have linker cores that regenerate mana on their own if I'm not mistaken (taking into account that Reinforce Zwei has her own book as a device). We might want to get this skill as soon as possible. And not only for the opportunity of seeing Dragon troll Saint in her own body.

 

[Silently Watches]

You do realize that none of the spells in our Calamity Witch template may influence Ragnarok further? One of the ways to cast Ragnarok safely was getting Cartridges. And that was under the Knight tree. The other options might have been under the support or "tinker" trees. Or even under a Support Guardian Beast.
For all we know one of the options might have something to do with having a compatible Unison Device and being in Unison Mode (which comes from the Tinker tree). Unison Devices have linker cores that regenerate mana on their own if I'm not mistaken (taking into account that Reinforce Zwei has her own book as a device). We might want to get this skill as soon as possible. And not only for the opportunity of seeing Dragon troll Saint in her own body.

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Cartridges was the only locked condition that was not in the Calamity Witch tree. I'm surprised there's this much contention over where the relevant spells are; I thought the trend was fairly obvious.

 

[Hawkmoon]

Cartridges was the only locked condition that was not in the Calamity Witch tree. I'm surprised there's this much contention over where the relevant spells are; I thought the trend was fairly obvious.

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If so then taking into account your comment about "odball" spells that you couldn't really fit anywhere else being behind Telekinesis those other two conditions should be there.

EDIT: Not to mention Telekinesis being a branch of the Flare tree where Ragnarok is.

And how far of my mark was I in the theory that a compatible Unison Device could help with the strain of casting Ragnarok?

 

[Dead Endv1]

[X] Learn Ring Bind

 

[Always Late]

[X] Learn Ring Bind

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Vote's closed.

 

[edale]

And how far of my mark was I in the theory that a compatible Unison Device could help with the strain of casting Ragnarok?

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Why would Taylor want a new device? She has Perfect Storm.

There is no IC reason I can think of for Taylor getting another device besides PS.

 

[Silently Watches]

And how far of my mark was I in the theory that a compatible Unison Device could help with the strain of casting Ragnarok?

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I honestly hadn't considered casting the spell while in Unison, but I think it could pose some major risks if things went wrong.

Why would Taylor want a new device? She has Perfect Storm.

There is no IC reason I can think of for Taylor getting another device besides PS.

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A Unison Device wouldn't be Taylor's Device. It would be another character she might be able to share the casting demands with.

 

[ImperatorV]

A Unison Device wouldn't be Taylor's Device. It would be another character she might be able to share the casting demands with.

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You're correct here, every time in Nanoha where we see a Unison Device in use, they're more like a partner then a weapon. Also all the people who worked with Unison Devices also had another device that was their actual, well, device, with the Unison Device being more of a spellcasting assistant. Honestly calling them Unison Devices is kind of a misnomer, they aren't much like devices at all, except that they are AIs.

 

[veekie]

Where in the 97+ Non-Administrated Worlds and who knows how many Administrated Worlds did you get THAT from?!

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Divine Buster is literally a Jewel Seed Seal spell with extra power. It's not based off Divine Shooter.

Raising Heart suggested using the Jewel Seed Seal at long range, which produced Divine Buster and it seals on hit.
Of course, since it's a giant beam of magical energy, the damage is considerable.

Nanoha then developed Starlight Breaker, which she called a variation of Divine Buster, so the energy emission part is taken directly from Divine Buster. So, where does she get a spell to handle energy convergence when she's completely untrained magic wise?

Jewel Seed Seal.

That spell is designed to grab the rampaging energy of a Jewel Seed, gather it up, and shove it back into the Jewel Seed.

You got to keep Nanoha's magical background knowledge in season 1 in mind here, she learns all her spells through:
-Basic Jewel Seed sealing functions
-Basic barrier jacket functions
-Copying what she just saw Fate do

So look at her spells:
-Jewel Seed Seal came packaged with Raising Heart.
-Yuuno taught her flight.
-Divine Shooter was a basic training spell for mental focus.
-Protection is just extending the barrier jacket's defense.
-Divine Buster was an upscaled Jewel Seed Seal.
-Wide Area Search looks a lot like she took the sensory feed from the guided mode of Divine Shooter and turned it into a drone search spell. The visuals collaborate, since they basically look identical.
-Bind was copied off Fate after her first time being nailed with a bind.
-Flash Move was copied off Fate.
-Flash Impact was basically using her family martial arts with a Flash Move for impact power, which we don't really see anyone else try. To be fair, most Mid-style mages would not think of using their device as a physical bludgeon.

If you're looking for an orthrodox Mid-childa style mage, look to Fate.
Nanoha's basic toolkit is a horrible kitbashed mess, and a fair chunk of her original spells would be unusable entirely for mages with less ridiculous magic reserves.

 

[Silently Watches]

Meltdown 7.x

Sunday, May 15
Kharkiv, Ukraine
Sighing as yet more blood got on his hands, Epoch picked up a cloth and froze the grabby cape laying on the cot. This was one of many reasons he preferred not to be involved in Endbringer fights. They were messy, dangerous things, with a high chance of death and utterly no possibility of getting anything of benefit. Well, perhaps not 'no' possibility, he amended as he flicked a glance at another cape from whom he felt the distinctive tingle of magical potential, but exceedingly little.

At that moment the echo of his power on that possible future recruit faded, and the boy in knight's armor screamed anew as he reached into the boy's soul and flipped the hourglass contained within. Blood slurped back into deep gashes and skin regained its color. One and a half seconds of noise, and the boy passed out yet again. Exactly the same as it had been all the other times he threw the cape into that ten-second loop. He knew why the assembled capes wanted him here. So long as his 'patients' did not truly die the first time around, he could keep them trapped in a never-ending cycle of agony.

Epoch glanced at the healers bustling around him and kept his frustrations to himself. The capes were all working with grim efficiency, but even with him reversing and stopping time and the young hero with the clock costume freezing the most critically injured, the dead and dying just kept piling up. Behemoth had not earned the title of 'Herokiller' for nothing, but that alone did not justify all the casualties flooding in. What in the world was going on out there?

He narrowed his eyes and pictured the only other Adept who had chosen to join him; insisted on joining him, rather, despite knowing it would surely reveal her new allegiance to her former allies. Plain brown hair, sharp cheekbones, too much eyeshadow, a couple of pock marks on her forehead. A few more prods and her face snapped into place in his mind's eye with all the detail of a photograph. Another cape returning to her proper place in time distracted him, but his connection was already sufficiently established that reversing her did not break the spell. Thirteenth Hour, he all but shouted in his head.

«…what…» the other Adept's voice whispered back.

«What's happening?»

There was silence for several long moments before her reply finally made it through. «…attacking Behe… swatting… away… …iendly fire… no one…»

Their connection sputtered and broke, but he took some comfort in how it only fizzled out. This felt exactly the same as all the other times Thirteenth Hour's telepathic ability failed, and while they could not know with certainty that it would feel different if she died, he was going to assume so unless he saw a body.

It was times like this that he wished he had the same predilection for telepathy that his newest recruit did, but that was not the case. He had actually given up that possibility as a pipe dream until she started showing promise for it. She was the single magician within their cabal who could use true telepathy, in fact, even if he and Maclibuin could make themselves audible to her with effort. Sadly, she had shown little talent for anything else.

This was why Calamity Witch was such a promising find.

The grabby cape and her neighbor popped back into real time, and Epoch's eye twitched before he shoved his hand into his pocket to wrap around his watch. The storm of power trapped between bronze and spring screamed at him as it tried to rush into him, furious at being contained. It wanted out.

He was too practiced in working with Maclibuin's spell, however, and he forced the power to trickle out slowly. A stern blink, and the two capes were once more frozen in place. He looked around him again and forced his shoulders to relax. The healers were so busy that no one would notice if these two remained trapped for twenty seconds rather than his usual ten. Nor, he decided after drawing out a little more power, would they notice if the knight's condition improved just a little bit as he was rewound by fifteen seconds this time.

Epoch withdrew his hand before he could give into the temptation to use up more of his limited enhancement. The more power contained within a single object, the harder it was to increase it farther, and the ability he had purchased from Cauldron was a thirsty one indeed. Even with all the rituals performed on his grandfather's pocket watch, he had perhaps two minutes of additional time at his disposal. Not enough to change the fate of anyone here, and that alone was reason to keep from tapping into it. A few seconds here and there he could spare, but he could not waste the charm's power frivolously.

Thirteenth Hour's telepathy. Maclibuin's rituals. His levitation and now projectiles. All of them products of grueling, time-consuming work, and one witch had shamed their trials without even knowing it. How had Calamity Witch, a hero who had been around for only a few months, figured out the secrets of magic in such a short span of time when he had been working on doing the same since he was sixteen? Was she the child of magicians and so had learned it at her parents' knees? Had she stumbled upon another magician and been apprenticed? Was she simply some sort of prodigy, a genius for whom magic sat up and begged?

It was infuriating and depressing and exciting, all at the same time. If she could be convinced to teach them, to part with the mysteries of her craft? Oh, it would be glorious. She had been undecided on whether or not to take him up on his offer, and he had hoped that giving her space to consider it would lead her to calling. Unfortunately, that was not what had happened. The days had come and gone, and still they had heard nothing.

Her silence was the sole reason he was here. She had not called, and he remembered how poorly she had reacted to Planeswalker's visit. He would have to speak to her in person, but that alone was not terrible. He was sure he could sway her to work with them if they spoke face to face again, and as though to spit on his efforts, she had not shown up. Now he was stuck dealing with all the casualties of the fight being laid at his feet for nothing.

A cape in a white cloak finally reached his little quartet of patients and laid her hands on the knight. Only a few seconds passed before she pulled away. "There. He can't rejoin the—"

An explosion roared somewhere close, and the tent shook from its fury. "That was the command center!" shouted one of the less seriously injured capes. Rime? Frost? Some ice generator, anyway. "All healers with me! Clockblocker, you too! Epoch, keep these people stable!"

The crowd of healers rushed out the door, and he swept his eyes over the horde of wailing capes. They expected him to keep all these people looped or frozen in time while they left to pile even more in front of him? And as if on cue, the stupid heroine snapped out of her freeze and got ahold of his robes to smear yet more blood on them.

"Great."


Frost Beam learned.

Not at all how I expected Epoch's character to go, but I'll go with it.

After three weeks without interacting with the Adepts, it's time to make a choice. Are you interested in talking to them and teaching them about magic?
[ ] Yes – Epoch will call in 8.1, and you'll promise to help the Adepts when things calm down a little. You will keep your word, and I will force the issue if you don't do so quickly enough on your own.
[ ] No – You tell Epoch that you have decided not to help. Any potential mages in the Adepts will be lost to you forever. There won't be any other penalties, though.

No write-ins for this vote. It is a binary choice.

 

[Demojay]

[X] Yes – Epoch will call in 8.1, and you'll promise to help the Adepts when things calm down a little. You will keep your word, and I will force the issue if you don't do so quickly enough on your own.

 

[Hoyden]

[X] Yes – Epoch will call in 8.1, and you'll promise to help the Adepts when things calm down a little. You will keep your word, and I will force the issue if you don't do so quickly enough on your own.

 

[Fretenso]

[X] Yes – Epoch will call in 8.1, and you'll promise to help the Adepts when things calm down a little. You will keep your word, and I will force the issue if youdon't do so quickly enough on your own.

 

[Linarka]

[X] No – You tell Epoch that you have decided not to help. Any potential mages in the Adepts will be lost to you forever. There won't be any other penalties, though.

 

[Lost Horizon]

[X] Yes – Epoch will call in 8.1, and you'll promise to help the Adepts when things calm down a little. You will keep your word, and I will force the issue if you don't do so quickly enough on your own.

 

[Hawkmoon]

[X] Yes – Epoch will call in 8.1, and you'll promise to help the Adepts when things calm down a little. You will keep your word, and I will force the issue if you don't do so quickly enough on your own.

I wonder if our Taylor will follow in the canon one footsteps and take over the Adepts like she took took over the Undersiders.

 

[RoninSword]

[X] Yes – Epoch will call in 8.1, and you'll promise to help the Adepts when things calm down a little. You will keep your word, and I will force the issue if you don't do so quickly enough on your own.