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Poliamida said:
It would be possible to build something like that but it'd mean Peter fully destroying what remains of his brain and turning into a blob. He's not ready to do that yet
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Coward!

The flesh is weak, become shiny and chrome squishy and pink.

... actually, there are so many ways that could go wrong. The candy power can backfire horrifically, like when Vegetto was turned into a murder bullet. Absorption causes a mind-meld effect that can change alignment, personality, and introduce handicaps (absorbing a brain damaged god gave Buu brain damage iirc). Absorption can backfire even worse if the subject is too strong, and then you have a breaker inside your body that can just fuck you up from the inside and ruin all your upgrades. And if we consider Android 21 to be canon, simply being part Majin itself has a massive and detrimental impact on impulse control.

Flashforward several chapters and there is a perspective shift to Taylor as she now has to scrape together the remnants of her team to fight Peter after he becomes the new Big Bad because he absorbed Behemoth and is now mastered to be a Worthy Opponent. Oops!
 
Raven1138 said:
So to use a idea I postulated of Peter making Lisa into a Fox-Saiyan (Victoria: Let's face it, Monkeys are so last year) the problem isn't giving Tattletale the ability to fly, shoot energy blasts or can arm werestle Aexandria in her sleep. It would be Lisa having to adapt from being the squishy Thinker to the front-line Brute. On top of dealing with the fact that when she next shoots her mouth off, it is going to be very literal, not to mention expensive in terms of collateral damage.

And of course the fact that Lisa's food budget is going to flat out bankrupt her within the hour. An hour after that, the rest of Heavy Gear will be in the poor house after seeing the grocery bill for the bottomless pit that is Saiyan!Lisa's stomach.
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The hour it takes Peter to start making those ultra-dense/ultra-rich foods that Dragon Ball has on hand.
Doccer said:
Terrifying. When will the Perfect World Whether You Like It Or Not Project begin?
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Probably as soon as he gets access to a alternate world. I'd recommend going after the moon, especially to really mess with Mannequin, but that might be a bit too far. One of the dead/destroyed worlds that Cauldron has access to would probably be better. Especially if the Mecha Zerg started overclocking themselves with the aid of hard solar radiation that would normally be blocked by Earths atmosphere. The OG Gete Star had to drain a world and its ecosystem for fuel but Peter can do better then that.
Poliamida said:
Are you sure about that?



And the Big Gete Star can analyze the damage making it harder to affected by the same attack twice.
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Yeah I'm aware of that scene. It's just that there's appreciably little difference between integration and reconstruction. I wasn't aware of the future-proofing feature though. That'd undoubtedly be useful even if it and/or the Mecha Zergs evolution functions would be liable to eat eachother.
Poliamida said:
The problems that Peter is suffering aren't about any technical limitation but a purely mental one. He's extremely blunt and simple with his solutions, and doesn't have the patience to bother shapeshifting into anything that's more complex than a blade or a cannon.
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He doesn't need to, though I'd assume that he'd want to turn his torso into a miniature factory or something at some point, but that's no reason not to use a different networking method if it works better.
Poliamida said:
It would be possible to build something like that but it'd mean Peter fully destroying what remains of his brain and turning into a blob. He's not ready to do that yet, and a Buu upgrade would be incredibly difficult to build.
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He's still got a organic brain? With biological neurons? I would have thought that he'd have nanomachines emulating the structure and function of them by now. He might want to get Cranials expertise on the matter to fix that. For that matter he might want to get their help with looking over the hardware and software of Peters own brain scanning technology.
 
Turbonator said:
That's pretty much Peter's main hope against Jack. If even a parahuman whose power is literally a Death Note can't kill Jack Slash (source), then Peter can't either.
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It's not Peter that will kill him.
Even his creations won't do it, as they're tinker tech, thus shard based. However a normal with Tinker equipment can, as shown in the Sh9k arch. And we do have one of those: Aisha.
 
Utterly Depraved said:
He doesn't need to, though I'd assume that he'd want to turn his torso into a miniature factory or something at some point, but that's no reason not to use a different networking method if it works better.
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Oh, he can already do that very easily and will be doing it a lot in the following chapters. His problem is that he can't turn human. He tries to form a mental picture of what a human should look like and his subconscious goes 'why should I do this, this is weak, inefficient' and the image collapses. That's why he'll have to use The Illusion if he wants to go out as civilian.
Utterly Depraved said:
He's still got a organic brain? With biological neurons? I would have thought that he'd have nanomachines emulating the structure and function of them by now. He might want to get Cranials expertise on the matter to fix that. For that matter he might want to get their help with looking over the hardware and software of Peters own brain scanning technology.
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Half and half. Both his brain and spine still exist, just a bit spread out and laced with nanobots. This ensured a level of continuity of existence for his peace of mind but also means that if any part of his brain is damage no information is permanently lost and the rest can rebuild it. Of course this means that if he goes through multiple battles were he suffers extensive damage then eventually he'll run out of organic neurons as the synthetic ones replace them.
 
Poliamida said:
Oh, he can already do that very easily and will be doing it a lot in the following chapters. His problem is that he can't turn human. He tries to form a mental picture of what a human should look like and his subconscious goes 'why should I do this, this is weak, inefficient' and the image collapses. That's why he'll have to use The Illusion if he wants to go out as civilian.

Half and half. Both his brain and spine still exist, just a bit spread out and laced with nanobots. This ensured a level of continuity of existence for his peace of mind but also means that if any part of his brain is damage no information is permanently lost and the rest can rebuild it. Of course this means that if he goes through multiple battles were he suffers extensive damage then eventually he'll run out of organic neurons as the synthetic ones replace them.
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Would this mean that the more damage he takes, the smarter he eventually becomes as his system rebuilds itself? I'd imagine that the synthetic neurons would be "better" than the organic neurons. Though smarter might not be the best term to use, I'm not sure how else to describe it. Faster reflexes or something?
 
Poliamida: *a complicated discussion about the continuity of consciousness and the ship of Theseus dilemma*
Readers: He should mutilate himself so that his reaction times would improve with each time he loses his brain cells.

Never change, SV, never change.

edit: more seriously, this will be resolved one way or another in a few years without any need to sustain injuries, as his organic cells age, die, and get replaced with synthetic ones.
 
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Decimus said:
Would this mean that the more damage he takes, the smarter he eventually becomes as his system rebuilds itself? I'd imagine that the synthetic neurons would be "better" than the organic neurons. Though smarter might not be the best term to use, I'm not sure how else to describe it. Faster reflexes or something?
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Individual cells can be improved for better transmission-rate to achieve the same effect.
Raiseth said:
Poliamida: *a complicated discussion about the continuity of consciousness and the ship of Theseus dilemma*
Readers: He should mutilate himself so that his reaction times would improve with each time he loses his brain cells.

Never change, SV, never change.

edit: more seriously, this will be resolved one way or another in a few years without any need to sustain injuries, as his organic cells age, die, and get replaced with synthetic ones.
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Assuming of course that they don't self-replicate and make more of themselves. Besides which I believe that neural cells last a lot longer then more replaceable ones. It's the same reason why they're immune-privileged. It's bloody hard to replace them without damaging what they compose.

That being said though yeah still a bad idea to go Tokyo Ghoul on things.
Poliamida said:
Half and half. Both his brain and spine still exist, just a bit spread out and laced with nanobots. This ensured a level of continuity of existence for his peace of mind but also means that if any part of his brain is damage no information is permanently lost and the rest can rebuild it. Of course this means that if he goes through multiple battles were he suffers extensive damage then eventually he'll run out of organic neurons as the synthetic ones replace them.
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Synthesized or not I would expect that he'd be able to get his body to remake his brain pretty quickly. It might even be a decent idea to borrow Aegis to test all of the ways that neural pathways can be rerouted so as to retain functionality between repairs. Probably a good idea to get a scan of his brain anyway in case he ever gets damaged in a way that's difficult to compensate for since he's probably the easiest person to do field repairs on.
Poliamida said:
Oh, he can already do that very easily and will be doing it a lot in the following chapters. His problem is that he can't turn human. He tries to form a mental picture of what a human should look like and his subconscious goes 'why should I do this, this is weak, inefficient' and the image collapses. That's why he'll have to use The Illusion if he wants to go out as civilian.
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I imagine that it'd also be a problem of how precisely it is possible to visualize something with a human brain...Actually if that sort of intrusive thought is as much of a problem for Peter as you're making it out to be then yeah definitely a good thing that he's managed to lock himself out of changing it. He'd end up turning himself into a Shoggoth or something.

Edit: also given that he keeps thinking that anything humanoid is inefficient I'd have to think that he's kind'a bad at judging efficiency...
 
I'm pretty sure a spine and a brain stuffed in a fursuit don't constitute as enough of a biological ecosystem to repair itself, so organic cells are only here for a short ride… fifteen years at the maximum, I think, that's how much it takes on average for cells in an ordinary human body to get completely replaced.
 
Utterly Depraved said:
The hour it takes Peter to start making those ultra-dense/ultra-rich foods that Dragon Ball has on hand.
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Examples?
Raiseth said:
I'm pretty sure a spine and a brain stuffed in a fursuit don't constitute as enough of a biological ecosystem to repair itself, so organic cells are only here for a short ride… fifteen years at the maximum, I think, that's how much it takes on average for cells in an ordinary human body to get completely replaced.
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I thought it was 7?
 
Satisfaction said:
It's a myth. 7 is the average over your whole body; some cells get replaced much more often (ex: skin cells) and some (especially CNS cells) don't get replaced at all.
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Neurogenesis seems to happen over the course of life, but there are sharp limits, as there are in all things about the human body's regenerative abilities. Insignificant damage gets repaired with time, and it would be really shitty if it didn't, because, to be frank, living kills, and the environment on Earth, even without all artificial hazards created by human hands, sooner or later succeeds in killing everything and everyone. Some ability to self-repair is not only very useful, it's vital for the continued survival of multicellular organisms as a concept.

That said, if someone, for example, shoots you in the head, more likely than not you're shit out of luck. I mean, unless you're a courier with a very important delivery of a casino chip or something.

Brain cells regenerate ( somewhat ), the more important thing is neural connections they create.
 
Raiseth said:
to be frank, living kills, and the environment on Earth, even without all artificial hazards created by human hands, sooner or later succeeds in killing everything and everyone. Some ability to self-repair is not only very useful, it's vital for the continued survival of multicellular organisms as a concept.
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Especially aerobic life - oxygen is not conducive to long-term molecular stability, and while that means it's a very useful building block, the sheer volume of oxygen in our environment also increases the wear-and-tear factor exponentially.

It's one of those arguments against an intelligent designer; if I was setting things up from jump, all this pesky oxidative stress would have been eliminated before we got to beta.
 
Decimus said:
Would this mean that the more damage he takes, the smarter he eventually becomes as his system rebuilds itself? I'd imagine that the synthetic neurons would be "better" than the organic neurons. Though smarter might not be the best term to use, I'm not sure how else to describe it. Faster reflexes or something?
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Not necessarily smarter but it'd deepen his connection with the zerg swarm.
Utterly Depraved said:
Synthesized or not I would expect that he'd be able to get his body to remake his brain pretty quickly. It might even be a decent idea to borrow Aegis to test all of the ways that neural pathways can be rerouted so as to retain functionality between repairs. Probably a good idea to get a scan of his brain anyway in case he ever gets damaged in a way that's difficult to compensate for since he's probably the easiest person to do field repairs on.
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His connection to the Khaydarin network is already taking care of much of that, remember that the turrets keep blowing themselves up and comming back.
Utterly Depraved said:
The Ensenji and Tree Of Might Fruit are pretty good examples.
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I'll point out that one of those only grows in hell and the other needs the life force of an entire planet to power up.
 
Poliamida said:
I'll point out that one of those only grows in hell and the other needs the life force of an entire planet to power up.
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Yes but the Tree Of Might also rapidly produced a hell of a lot of wood and the fruit from it had dramatically more of a effect then Peter needs from a super-food.

Plus if Peter can't convert the Yemma Tree to grow outside of hell I'm sure that he can make a synthetic hell for it to grow in or something.
 
Poliamida said:
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Pen-Paper Toad said:
Wonder if Dragon would be willing to have a few Dragonsuits act as the Ogres in this hypothetical synthetic hell.
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Poliamida said:
This is the only thing I can think about when reading this conversation:


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DR7rurcamNo

Which, no, its not going to happen.
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More seriously I'm sure that Peter could figure out some sort of energy that would make it grow and make some sort of greenhouse for the things. Maybe by using some of the good/evil separating techniques from Dragon Ball to siphon aggression off of some people and turn it directly into energy. For some Yemma bonsai. Little ones that would only require a little bit of evil.

Edit: I ended up getting a bit less serious at the end there but I stand by what I said.
 
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