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Aaaah, finished the reread. God, this is going to be satisfying.
One thing though. @Poliamida ? I humbly request you do not follow the path Wildbow did about random rolling for deaths during Endbringer fights. Well, Nia is going to change shit up super hard but... well. I know a few fanfics that did that, and the authors ended up regretting it for the rest of the story.
Trailblazer being the biggest example. Losing Clockblocker like that when he could have been around a lot longer was painful indeed.
I have full faith in your writing skill though. I just think the random rolling thing is one of the worst choices a worm author can make for an Endbringer fight. And one of the reasons it kills so many.
I really look forward to what is coming though. This is going to be intense and amazing and terrifying!
But yeah... this... this is where the big game begins. Especially with what will come after...
One thing though. @Poliamida ? I humbly request you do not follow the path Wildbow did about random rolling for deaths during Endbringer fights. Well, Nia is going to change shit up super hard but... well. I know a few fanfics that did that, and the authors ended up regretting it for the rest of the story.
Trailblazer being the biggest example. Losing Clockblocker like that when he could have been around a lot longer was painful indeed.
I have full faith in your writing skill though. I just think the random rolling thing is one of the worst choices a worm author can make for an Endbringer fight. And one of the reasons it kills so many.
I really look forward to what is coming though. This is going to be intense and amazing and terrifying!
But yeah... this... this is where the big game begins. Especially with what will come after...
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Poliamida
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It's not that easy, the reason why it was so effective in cannon was because Eidolon was in a very specific mindset. He had recovered his powers and was fighting the fight of his life (so intense that Zion had to use his PtV to defeat him). Just telling him 'you need worthy rivals' won't do by itself.
Oh, no, I don't use dices. I respect writers who use them in interesting ways, but in general I feel that you sacrifice worthy narrative for shock value alone.
Please, put that under spoilers, there are many people who haven't read that fic.
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Make sure you do it too! Heh. Well, that is reassuring!
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Just waiting for Newt sending Leviathan to the Zerg Gulag at the sound of Red Alert's Hell March.
There is no way to prove that he is the target or if the endbringer is messing with them. I don't think they would really act on it unless they knew without a shadow if a doubt that the endbringer would go away since the truce would be shaky from that day on.
And even if they prove he is the target, if it can be proven it's because he can kill them, no one would attack him. On the contrary keeping him alive would become their priority.
There is only one rule that actually matters, and that is the endbringer truce. You fuck that up and you will get killed while everyone turns a blind eye.
So no taking advantage of an endbringer fight to advance your gang (publicly), no spreading chaos around the fight. And absolutely no attacking each other. unless they can prove without a shadow of a doubt that it would help in the endbringer fight and even then it's shaky.
If they reveal it other thinkers can corroborate the story. At which point Eidolon might just kill himself. That or he gets a kill order.
Other thinkers would be able to get info on him unless he changes his powers to ones that stop them, and since there are so many different types of thinker powers he don't be able to cover them all and all it would do is remove one slot of power he could use to defend himself.
Dinah Alcott would be easily be able to tell them the chances of another endbringer coming out if Eidolon is alive and the chances if he is dead. And when there is more than an 80% difference between answers you know that he is related.
Appraiser, Eleventh Hour, Hunch, Roulette and a number of other Watch Dog Thinkers would be able to figure out the truth behind the claim that Eidolon or his power is behind spawning the endbringers.
BTW Flechette could ride on an Ultralisk and use her power on it's blades.
@Poliamida would The Sword be able to cut through an endbringer? If so can he install it on the Ultralisk?
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The wiki says The Sword card can cut through space time warps so it should potentially be able to cut the core of an endbringer.
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Poliamida
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Yeah, that's another problem with that plan. People would say that he's just delirious with fear.
More reason then for him to be killed if he tries this because many would see it as him trying to take advantage of the EB.
Hard to say what would happen. Eidolon is still seen as the perfect silver bullet by Cauldron, and they'd be ok with the EBs destroying the world as long as they keep Eidolon.
You'll find out soon enough.
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I would put my money of Eidolon going the suicide route, because he is a bleeding heart that way. He built and dedicated his entire life in being a hero to save other people and stop beings that no one else could hope to fight.
To know that he is the reason for untold millions of death worldwide and the breakdown of society due to the Endbringers...killing himself would be in the forefront of his mind, that is if they don't find an alternative way to use the Endbringers for their own benefit. Which they will probably try that shit out first before killing Eidolon.
After all, they are supposed to be "Controllable Weapons" for the Cycle, as we have seen in Canon and in Eden's perfect world. We already know that the Simurgh is willing to gather her siblings to fight against Scion if the Entity ever decides to rampage, and loosing Leviathan won't be that much of a problem if they can immediately get Khonsu and The Twins.
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They can put him next to a power nullifier in base 24/7. They don't need to kill him to stop the end bringers.
Going to killing people right away isn't always the best choice. Hell it's not the best choice most of the time. If they can figure out how his power communicates with the endbringers they can block it.
Give Accord enough resources (including thinker) and he can probably come up with a plan to fix the increase in endbringers when one dies. Specially if Eidolon is cooperating.
Hell Eidolon might be able to use up one of his 3 power slots to block the signs to the endbringers. Or just moving him to another earth, one that is empty after an endbringer is killed and seeing if it would spawn on that Earth instead of Earth Bet. That is if not all of them have the ability to travel to different Earths.
Even if more endbringers do show up it shouldn't be too much of an issue wince there is a limit (20 if I am not mistaken) so eventually they will run out. And doing something for the second time is a lot easier than the first.
There are a bunch of different powers that can kill the endbringers or hurt them enough if people knew what to look for. and it would be interesting to see a fic where all the endbringers eventually turn up.
If someone has a power that would limit the movement of the endbringers a Zerg Corruptor could melt it if it uses corrosive bile long enough. Which might work on Behemoth since he is slow and can't avoid most attacks (according to the wiki) so Behemoth would have to run or take too much damage.
Ziz is still a massive issue out of the known 3. But it depends if the Khaydarin blocks her mind altering powers, or the ability to read minds (not sure if it's reading minds or just taping into shards) to make tinker tech from surrounding tinkers.
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Ya that's the point I wanted to make. Anything he does that would affect the truce would see everyone become his enemy.
In canon Armsmaster was arrested for taking advantage of the endbringer fight to hurt villains.
If he decides to run without attacking anyone or their territory it would sink the reputation of HG, but I don't think it would count as breaking the truce. Specially if they also helped evacuate civilians. But be can't cause any trouble for others in Brockton Bay or other territories during the Truce. So basically they would be without a base (city) for a few days if they decide to flee. Which isn't the best position to be in. And Newt being their military commander would point it out to them.
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Eidolon may have awakened the Endbringers and given them subconscious commands, but they are operating almost completely independently now. The Simurgh didn't stop plotting just because Eidolon died, for example, so she would almost certainly not stop if he was locked with a power nullifier or moved to a different Earth.
Hmmm, it might prevent the appearance of more Endbringers tho.
Ya the point now is to make sure no more appear if they manage to kill one.or over time.
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…first things first this is why he should have created a brood lord or leviathan a long time ago. Secondly portal guns can reach the moon, if he really wanted to escape leviathan that's honestly a decent enough option. I'm going to assume he's not stupid enough to not have his own dedicated air supply for his helmet.
Poliamida said that the range of a portal is 300km if I am not mistaken.
And he might have other Zerg units he doesn't know about. He gave control over which units should be built over to Newt, and she knows there is a chance that the endbringer is going to attack since he told her about the events of Worm. And no competent military commander doesn't account for the possibility of an enemy attack, even if there owes only a slight chance they would attack you.
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Say it to the Armsmaster. Who, canonically, just rebranded as Defiant and didn't have any problem after that.
Someone mentioned a day or two ago, that there was a WoG(s) from Wildbow that Eidolon's control actually keeped them, at least Ziz, from causing much more troubles. But I can't find even the right thread where I've read it, to ask for quotes/links. So - no promises, that might be fanon, or someone's headcanon, or something else like that.
Well it is Worm, so if there are no easy fixes other than overwhelming violence (AKA Ultralisk).
But even if they can't come up with a fix to Eidolon spawning more Endbringers, they can just fight them the old fashioned way. Even if they don't kill them the Zergs can damage them. Plus when a Zerg is destroyed it can be recycled into more Zergs.
Poliamida
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Not these ones. There's almost no maximum reach for the portals themselves, but the 'bullet' that the portal guns shoot dissipates after a couple hundred meters. If they want to open a portal between the moon and Earth they will need to physically bring a portal gun there.
Mmmm...
This is Wildbow, so I can see him saying something about Eidolon finding out that he brought the Endbringers to the world would only make everything worse.
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That is a given. Anything asked of Wildbow results in him saying 'Oh, that would make everything worse'. Because its Wildbow.
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One thing to remember about killing one of them is that the rest will stop sandbagging and actually use tactics and counters to attacks that could potentially kill them (I.E. - Scion himself in Canon), when Behemoth got torn apart like wet tissue paper. Noticeably, they began using Guerilla Tactics in order to avoid the Golden Man and work together in tandem in order to hit various places around the world to destabilize the entire picture. Making use of more underhanded and highly devastating attacks in a shorter amount of time order to prevent Scion or other Parahumans from taking out another one of them.
Same thing would happen to this story if they were to miraculously kill Leviathan, which I highly doubt that Peter is capable of doing as of the current moment. Oh, and it should also be noted that new Endbringers will be specialized in "Effectively countering the tactic/method that was used to kill the previous one.", as we have seen with Khonsu and the Twins.
Also, I almost forgot but the attack frequency also change if one of them dies - their hits become faster and more frequent than before. Quite bad for the whole world indeed, when you got full five Endbringers who can work together, and the new ones have special abilities to counter the method of their previous sibling's death. S
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Which would be bad for the rest of the world, but they would avoid Peter like they avoid string theory.
I think Peter has the tools to kill an Endbringer. Both the Psi-Blade and The Sword card can kill an Endbringer. The question is can he actually pull it off. And the answer to threat question is maybe.
But regardless of the outcome Peter's creations would be able to do a significant amount of damage to Leviathan. Which is all that matters right now. Add in the power to revive the dead, and the PRT would want them cooperative for future Endbringer fights. They might attempt to push them into the Wards, but there are too many disadvantages in that approach.
If they try and force them into the Wards (and they somehow succeed) they can say they will not join any future Endbringer fights. And they really can't force minor (or even adults) to join those fights. And even if they force them they can be uncooperative.
Now trying to force a group of "Vigilantes" to join the PRT after a good Endbringer showing will spur future attendance to Endbringer fights under the Truce, since there would be precedent of the PRT forcing anyone who is effective in the fights to join them.
Also trying to force the group that just damaged an Endbringer to join you against their will would result in a lot of damage. And they won't be able to attack them for a few days after the fight due to the Truce (which again everyone losses if it's not enforced). Plus you don't fucking piss off the site mage. Forcing a healer to join you against their will is super stupid.
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Ah. The four munitions.
That shouldn't help, because of the whole fake target/real target thing.
Endbringers only go away after a "significant amount of damage" if you're their fake target. If you're a real target, "significant amount of damage" is useless and the only way to survive is to kill them.
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Peter could have built a Monado, Malos had one.
Poliamida
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It's not just an issue of the damage dealt to Leviathan but also the quantity of units that he could bring to bear. It's one thing to send one Ultralisk against Leviathan and see it dealing damage, another very different one is to see hundreds of zerg charging at it.
Beautiful!
I really doubt that Malos' weapon is an actual Monado, he never displayed any of the powers that Shulk had.
Also, Peter would have never built it. He sees it as an incredibly racist sword.