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Hitler had a bunch of perfectly normal people supporting him, alot of the guards were just doing their job. they were still called Nazis and didn't get a pass.
No no you don't understand. The Nazi were a political party. They retained cohesion and a supporter base via superioritism but, being a political party, that doesn't necessitate that they actually held those beliefs. In this way I would suggest that Max Anders was even more of a Nazi then the rest of the Empire.
Might I also recommend a cathartic and encouraging spar between Amy and Peter at some point in the future? Not because of any slight between them, though Amy getting to punch Peter a bunch would presumably be a lovely side-effect, but as a test of their own and eachothers forms of self-improvement. Sort of like a combination of how actual spars are meant to be and a bot battle since these abilities would be as much developed as engineered.
Possibly even with The Fight on the sidelines suggesting ways to improve. She seems like she'd be a good sparing coach.
I can't tell how worried I should be about that lack of comma.
Do you think that Peter would hesitate for even a moment to upload some choice programs to his own brain a la Glitchtrap?
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Given the shapeshifting abilities that shapeshifters had in World Of Darkness I'd say "however old he wants to look".
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ExploerTM
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But we aren't talking about technicalities and yadda yadda. We talking about ideology. People you mentioned, were they technically Nazi? Yes, they served in organization after all. But were they ideologically Nazi? No, as you said that yourself. Kaiser, much like people you mentioned, was Nazi in the name only and thats the whole point. Still asshole and needs his head to be separated from his body, mind you.
Max would switch to whatever political party is favorable for him to profit off of. The whole point is that Anders simply doesn't have ANY strong beliefs aside from power and money. Political or ideological, it's all just tools.
I am not going to spend half an hour typing out a thesis on the doctrine, politics and papers that spawned and influenced the birth and growth of the Nazi Political Party.
Nor am I gonna add another half hour doing the same for the multiple different Neo-Nazi CULTs.
So let's just agree they both suck balls and not derail the thread.
Please, less Political talk, more Tinker talk.
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Raiseth
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I think it depends on how you define a Nazi. If you say that a Nazi is an anti-semitic asshole with an inexplicable superiority complex and an urge to genocide any race he considers as "lesser", then Kaiser isn't a Nazi. If you say that a Nazi is a member of the National-Socialist Party in Germany circa 30-40s, then, nope, still not a Nazi. If you say that a Nazi is any self-serving dipshit that, regardless of believing in the ideology of racial supremacy, chooses to wield it against other people to attain more personal/political power, then bingo, Max is a Nazi.
It's kinda a complicated topic, but I think we all at least can agree that, Nazi or not, Max is a despicable human being. Peter isn't exactly… well, he's deflecting. It's like, someone saying that no, this guy doesn't murder and then eat his victims, he's just a normal serial killer.
Okay, fine, that's good, but. Why isn't he in jail exactly?
And Peter isn't in exactly the best condition to argue or, heck, maybe even agree with Vicky, he's got some other problems coming to a head at the moment.
It's kinda a complicated topic, but I think we all at least can agree that, Nazi or not, Max is a despicable human being. Peter isn't exactly… well, he's deflecting. It's like, someone saying that no, this guy doesn't murder and then eat his victims, he's just a normal serial killer.
Okay, fine, that's good, but. Why isn't he in jail exactly?
And Peter isn't in exactly the best condition to argue or, heck, maybe even agree with Vicky, he's got some other problems coming to a head at the moment.
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If your not talking technicalities why are you giving the guy a pass on one? Turns out camp guards who were only doing their job and didn't actually believe in it are prime examples of the Nazi party and were tried for what Nazi germany is known for. He is literally the face of the movement, pushes the movements goals and is supported by the movement quite splitting hairs.
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Rule 2 and 4: Don’t Be Hateful and Don't Be Disruptive, or, "This both grossly inappropriate and entirely unnecessary for this thread. Please refrain from bringing up real world politics and your grievances outside of the appropriate forums."
No.
He wouldn't be a Nazi, he would be a Democratic Politician.
Cause that is what the Democratic party has done since it was founded. They did it with African-Americans during the Civil War, they did it with Japanese-Americans during WW2, they did it with African-Americans again in the 60s and 90s and they are doing in with Straight White Men today.
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Ridli Scott
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Please don't derail this into a political discussion. There is a specific section of the forum for that.
You just described every politician though. That doesn't change the fact that whatever party they're a part of is where they worked. It's like arguing that a accountant isn't a accountant because their passions lie in writing fiction.
I think that the argument is mostly over semantics but damnit people can't just ignore the roots of a word and pretend that it means whatever they want it to.
Nobody was trying to give him a pass on one. He's a terrible person who does terrible things. It's just that it's important to determine which specific terrible things that he does.
Him being a fictional character means that it's hard to derive importance from how IRL it's important to be specific about a persons wrong-doings to lend legitimacy to those claims based on a persons inability to dismiss them but at the same time, and read this carefully because this is going to get recursive here, it's important to hold the act of holding the act of being specific about accusations as important even when it isn't because the act of making exceptions for that sort of thing shouldn't be normalized for fear of someone making them when it's important not to.
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Did you just outright ignored what I said and repeated yourself? Because the way I see it, you just outright ignored what I said and repeated yourself. Which means you out of arguments and goes for a ol' reliable "repeat same thing until other side runs out of actual arguments".
Combined with what people above said, I think I stop right here cuz its not just derail but pointless derail at this point.
There is?
On a website dedicated to fanfiction?
Do people actually use it?
My mind is blown now.
Da fuq!
I think you are repeating yourself as well.
Sorry but the irony made me giggle.
Lol.
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Ridli Scott
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I suppose you are sarcastic but just in case.
Now cease.
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No I honestly was not being sarcastic, I didn't know that section was there.
I rarely leave the Creative forums.
Only to see a Quest or two.
So to me, a politics forum seems strange to be on this site.
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Ridli Scott
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No, just the opposite, it's the most natural thing to have. That way we don't have people clogging fic threads with politics.
Aurora Moon
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Espeically when said Fics happen to have political nazis in them. XD
Oh no....
OH NO.
Man, reign yourself in. You dont want to become totaly psycho. Well, maybe you are, but...
Eh, who i kidding? Hes already too far gone.
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Because it described a teen who is planning to get rid of his body partly in order to escape his overwhelming emotions. Emotions so overwhelming that he chose to BITE INTO HIS OWN FINGER AS HARD AS HE COULD TWICE to feel something else instead.
It's literally self harm described, regardless of the philosophical differences between transhumanism and suicide, why do people keep questioning it?
I thought he bit his hand because of the itching.
I have done that before to keep from scratching an itch.
Then again, I grew up in Florida surrounded by mosquitoes year round.
So maybe that didn't hit me as anything Trigger Worthy.
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Psychosomatic itching seems to represent trauma in the story. Characters 'itch' when they're feeling emotionally turbulent -
Piggot thinking that Peter could be another Nilbog -
Vista thinking she made a mistake in how she handled Peter at school -
Peter gets itchy when his emotions get intense, he often also literally makes statements about ignoring or setting aside his emotions, so the itch is the effect they have on him.
When he realized he could build a core and become immortal-
when he discusses his emotions frankly the phantom 'itch' becomes intense and he resorts to self harm to relieve it -
This ones a little blunt. First paragraph -am I hurting my friends by not respecting their emotions? Second paragraph - the same way I hurt myself?
This one just straight out SAYS it. The itch isn't an itch, it's emotions.
I remember talking about this months ago so I repeat lol:
Max is racist against Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Heroes, Villains, Asians, Mexicans, Latinos, Germans, Americans, Native American, Texans, etc.
He is racist to everyone who is not himself. So narcissistic
Wasn't
Wasn't Peter debating suicide like…three times in this chapter? And I guess some people find that offensive ig
He did?
Fuck.
I gotta reread the chapter.
I was reading in a moving truck, so I might have missed a few things.
Thanks for the clarification.
Hell, I might as well reread the whole story.