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I'm liking the chapters, interesting to see Tech Priest working with a new tech tree.
But I can't help but feel like Piggot is veering into Fanon portrayal.

All Parahumans believed themselves to be gods one way or another. It was in their nature. No person could remain sane after gaining such amazing powers after the trauma of a Trigger Event.
Lines like this seem to be leaning a little too much into her anti-parahuman interpretation.

The Elite were the last time the Parahumans tried Unionizing. Though, being villains, they didn't really do it the legal way.
You know they were doing it the legal way before the whole NEPEA-5 thing right? Uppermost was the predecessor organisation, that was completely wiped by the bill.
 
Am I the only one here that supports Piggot?

Having some strange person going around performing invasive surgery on people without consent or oversight is unacceptable.

If a normal doctor ignores protocol like this, it doesn't matter if they save someone, they're still getting prosecuted.
 
Am I the only one here that supports Piggot?

Having some strange person going around performing invasive surgery on people without consent or oversight is unacceptable.

If a normal doctor ignores protocol like this, it doesn't matter if they save someone, they're still getting prosecuted.

Oh yeah. Peter and Taylor have definitely crossed a line here no matter their intentions. But that boat has kind of set sail the moment they started burning schools down and hacking government servers.
 
I am glad the author is staying full tinker in this story, it not that magic is bad or Anything but I really like the idea of a pure tech character.
 
Piggot is in the right here, its stupid to let kids/teens build these types of things in the first place and who knows it might be a guy playing the long game


It just pissess me off too that i know shes in the right but i still hate her for it
 
There are a few reasons parahumans don't organize. First, by their nature they will not organize into large groups. They are deeply traumatized people driven to conflict. Brockton Bay had dozens of parahumans but Parian was the only one not interested in fighting. Even if a large group temporarily formed, it would break apart from infighting (like E88 did after Kaizers death). Second, Cauldron was not interested in forming a peaceful union of rogues. WoG any large parahuman organization exists because there are Cauldron capes in it. Cauldron capes are the glue for organising large cape groups. Without Cauldron intervention, a peaceful rogue union is impossible.
 
Really, for self gratification the SI painted a huge target on a civilian. He'll always be at risk of kidnapping and having his heart ripped out and consequently putting his family and loved ones at risk.
 
I'm liking the chapters, interesting to see Tech Priest working with a new tech tree.
But I can't help but feel like Piggot is veering into Fanon portrayal.


Lines like this seem to be leaning a little too much into her anti-parahuman interpretation

Peter replaced a man's heart with non PRT approved tinker tech without his knowledge or consent

And he appears to be a very strong tinker
 
Uh, baddass now means braindead? Good to know! Thank you fellow waste of genetic material, i cant wait to see who gets the darwin award in this fic.

Cant think of anyone who would feel amused at having the muzzle of a Vulcan Mega-bolter pointing straight to their face


I still wonder why parahumans haven't tried unionizing, those Rogue laws have never mention anything about unions right?
Agh, i still wonder how Cauldron could have had such a brain-fart when those laws were passed. And seriously they were passed because normal people said it was unfair to let them in the market because of their powers making everything easier, well cupcake so did your ancestors when they invented new things.
The Elite were the last time the Parahumans tried Unionizing. Though, being villains, they didn't really do it the legal way. But the Elite THINK they are all about rogue parahumans first and allowing parahumans to change the world and yadda yadda. Instead they are just villainous thugs who want money, like most gangs. There are some idealists, but they aren't in charge. People like Bastard Son are. And we know how bad he is.

A full on real, legal parahuman Union would probably face a lot of legal hurtles, but if the parahuman in charge is powerful and respected enough, they could do it.
If I remember right, Cauldron actually had a hand in screwing over Rogues who attempted to earn a living through their powers, in order to make it harder for them to remain uninvolved with the cape scene and thus have them either contribute to strengthening other capes or survive long enough to participate in Golden Morning.

Basically, from a survival standpoint there's no point legalising Rogue economic ventures, since the economy itself was likely to end up tanked. More than that, any decent Tinker is either good enough to establish their own black market contacts like Toybox, or better off subsumed into and supporting a gang such as the ABB or Protectorate, from a military standpoint anyway. Please bare in mind that the one who did the legwork for all this is almost certainly a Proto-Ziz bomb, given how their offering Eidolon a phial turned out, and as such we should be thankful that new triggers are precog blind spots and meant that Cauldron was only left holding an idiot ball instead of a knife poised to shank Bet's collective back.
 
Personally, I want to see Peter to join Toybox. Because fuck the PRT and Protectorate. Toybox can and will keep him safe, and give him access to some amazing other specializations. Imagine the fun he can have working with Dodge? Or Big Rig and his giant constructs? Or all of Pyrotechnical's explosions...

...or combining Dues Ex with Cranial Tech? Heh heh heh.

He knows, probably, that the S9 come after them. So he can keep them safe. And work as a local member of Toybox in BB. It would really keep him safe.
 
Well, now that the cyber-heart recipient has PRT attention, he can probably get an ordinary heart transplant.
It wont be that easy, not without the original tinker's (Peter's) help during the process. The heart has taken over a good chunk of the man's chest and removing it would be a slow and difficult process, but it's completely possible.
Cue full on official PRT-stamped Villain status for our Protagonists!
Nah, not as long as Peter and Taylor don't keep rocking the boat. Piggot would be fine with them working under the supervision of the PRT.
i would love to know what you think of your Protectorate members and Wards.
She has no problem with that. Even if she does see them as walking weapons, she's ok with Capes using their powers under the supervision of the state. That's why she doesn't have a problem with Rogues either.
Keep in mind that Dinah has not triggered yet
She already triggered, that should have happened some weeks ago (the timeline is unclear on that) and is with the PRT. I just wasn't sure how to include her in this interlude without bloating it with too much information.
What's surprising is that nobody caught on and decided to discharge her for mental problems and wash their hands off her.
As other people mentioned, it was a set-up. Cauldron wanted to use Brockton Bay as an experiment to see what would happen once Parahumans took over the world.
makes me wonder if he'll be able to replicate stuff from this tree with whatever he has left from the protoss tech tree.
Yes, the main thing of his power is that he can mix and match the new stuff with the old. So he can mix Sakura with Starcraft.
I have to wonder how Coil convinced the Undersiders to do such a mass raid and fight Oni Lee
Easy: he didn't tell them they'd be part of a mass raid. He just ordered them to attack an ABB location and then he sent his men to attack in other places. Oni Lee going after them was a coincidence, but a happy one because they do hard-counter his power.
That's a surprisingly reasonable and subdued response by the Protectorate. That's no reason to not finish your fried fish.
Yeah, the original announcement was harsher but one of my betas pointed out that it sounded like something that Meme!PRT would say, so I toned it down but didn't toned down Peter's reaction.
Did the PRT help Dinah? Whatever happened to that.
Yes, I just haven't found a good place to elaborate on that.
Meanwhile in Armsmaster Lab:
"Glenn Chambers!!!!"
The guy had his face on girl's panties.
Agh, i still wonder how Cauldron could have had such a brain-fart when those laws were passed. And seriously they were passed because normal people said it was unfair to let them in the market because of their powers making everything easier, well cupcake so did your ancestors when they invented new things.
Cauldron...
The only justification I find to all they did was that Dr Mother and Contesa were medieval peasants or cavewomen (I think that's cannon?). Their entire philosophy is incredibly medieval: their obsession with feudalism, their search for a singular badass to defeat Zion, their complete disregard for combined arms tactics and the fact that they don't know how to handle Tinkers. I do believe that their inability to understand the value of tinkers was what led them to sacrifice Hero for Siberian.
But I can't help but feel like Piggot is veering into Fanon portrayal.
You think? I did try to have her been reasonable, and show that she does have a point.
Maybe I should tone that one line down a bit.
Am I the only one here that supports Piggot?

Having some strange person going around performing invasive surgery on people without consent or oversight is unacceptable.

If a normal doctor ignores protocol like this, it doesn't matter if they save someone, they're still getting prosecuted.
Piggot does make several good points. This time Peter's meddling was a success, but without proper supervision no one can be sure what he'll be doing next, eventually he may make a mistake and many people will die.
And yes, new medical techs go through an extensive testing phase for a reason.
Really, for self gratification the SI painted a huge target on a civilian. He'll always be at risk of kidnapping and having his heart ripped out and consequently putting his family and loved ones at risk.
Solution: give everyone new hearts, livers, and lungs.
Personally, I want to see Peter to join Toybox. Because fuck the PRT and Protectorate. Toybox can and will keep him safe, and give him access to some amazing other specializations. Imagine the fun he can have working with Dodge? Or Big Rig and his giant constructs? Or all of Pyrotechnical's explosions...

...or combining Dues Ex with Cranial Tech? Heh heh heh.

He knows, probably, that the S9 come after them. So he can keep them safe. And work as a local member of Toybox in BB. It would really keep him safe.
I do whant to use toybox more. I need to work on that.
 
It wont be that easy, not without the original tinker's (Peter's) help during the process. The heart has taken over a good chunk of the man's chest and removing it would be a slow and difficult process, but it's completely possible.

Nah, not as long as Peter and Taylor don't keep rocking the boat. Piggot would be fine with them working under the supervision of the PRT.

She has no problem with that. Even if she does see them as walking weapons, she's ok with Capes using their powers under the supervision of the state. That's why she doesn't have a problem with Rogues either.

She already triggered, that should have happened some weeks ago (the timeline is unclear on that) and is with the PRT. I just wasn't sure how to include her in this interlude without bloating it with too much information.

As other people mentioned, it was a set-up. Cauldron wanted to use Brockton Bay as an experiment to see what would happen once Parahumans took over the world.

Yes, the main thing of his power is that he can mix and match the new stuff with the old. So he can mix Sakura with Starcraft.

Easy: he didn't tell them they'd be part of a mass raid. He just ordered them to attack an ABB location and then he sent his men to attack in other places. Oni Lee going after them was a coincidence, but a happy one because they do hard-counter his power.

Yeah, the original announcement was harsher but one of my betas pointed out that it sounded like something that Meme!PRT would say, so I toned it down but didn't toned down Peter's reaction.

Yes, I just haven't found a good place to elaborate on that.

The guy had his face on girl's panties.

Cauldron...
The only justification I find to all they did was that Dr Mother and Contesa were medieval peasants or cavewomen (I think that's cannon?). Their entire philosophy is incredibly medieval: their obsession with feudalism, their search for a singular badass to defeat Zion, their complete disregard for combined arms tactics and the fact that they don't know how to handle Tinkers. I do believe that their inability to understand the value of tinkers was what led them to sacrifice Hero for Siberian.

You think? I did try to have her been reasonable, and show that she does have a point.
Maybe I should tone that one line down a bit.

Piggot does make several good points. This time Peter's meddling was a success, but without proper supervision no one can be sure what he'll be doing next, eventually he may make a mistake and many people will die.
And yes, new medical techs go through an extensive testing phase for a reason.

Solution: give everyone new hearts, livers, and lungs.

I do whant to use toybox more. I need to work on that.
Only problem with toybox is that they are neutral, wich i don't really understand how it works with conflict drive... then again, as long as the parahumans challenge themselfs and their powers and try weird new things that generate data, the shards probably don't really care. And it's a drive, not a compulsion...
and yeah, i belive Contesa and mother doctor where stated as being from bronce age village, so yeah, essentially illiterate farmers whos sun was draged across the sky by buggs before the molegod ate it growing up.
sure, they now know the wonders of tech, and did when Hero was murdered, but it is very much something they learned after gaining powers.
 
I don't remember exactly but was Tech priests tech black boxed?
If not, have the PRT just not realized it yet?
 
Cauldron...
The only justification I find to all they did was that Dr Mother and Contesa were medieval peasants or cavewomen (I think that's cannon?).

Contessa was from a bronze age village. Doctor Mother isn't explained. She's a random woman that stumbled through the interdimensional space whale corpse and found little girl Contessa. Doctor Mother helped little girl Contessa kill Eden/first entity, and when Contessas panicked when she failed to Path Scion, Doctor Mother took the lead. Clearly neither of them are great military strategists or scientists. Just a little girl and a random woman trying to stop doomsday. They really did a shit job of it though. No doubt.
 
52 different powers, just waiting to be build...

And teh thing about them that i missed? They all come with a side of precog. All of them... even if it was a single power, it would have been a high priority build, but no, every single card is a precog... so maybe ad The return for a post cog power.

Soo, obviusly, he is going for The Fly first, now that cloths are done, as it's the most fun one.

but what is the next one?

Pure defence:
The sheild is obviusly a high power defensive build, but forcefeilds ain't rare, and he will probably get other options for it. but it is still good, and stacking it with spidersilk clothing and mecazerg armor would pretty much finish of their defence when combined with their new mover powers. After that defence is just a mater of polishing it of.

The Erase is just... broken. the power to erase things and memories from existance, with the option to abort with a timelimit. probably short range, but damn horrifying...

The Mirror: reflect, but who in the bay could it posibly work against...(Kid win, purity, Othalas fire, Lungs fire.) Situational, so probably not, but still potentially good. but not enough time...

Shakers:

Where to begin.

The Erase: just broken. so very scary

The Float: So, lets put gravity to 0. what could go wrong. Sure the fly is a better mover power than a slow levitation, but the ability to put it on others without the ability to control it...

The Illusion: Yeah, in no way is illusions a bad power. sure, it's purely supportive, but it's darn good suport. add Taylors multitasking... attacks come from where we tell you they come from, and i am wherever i darn well say i am...

The shadow The maze and The Loop are all amazing shaker powers, depending on how strong you make the shadow able to affect things. it is also a hard hard counter to Stalker and Grue. The Maze... weak version of Labyrint. The Loop is essentually Vista. or similar? only the most powerfull shakers on the eastern seaboard. Want. and with fly and the shield, defence is fucking done. Maybe add Illusion. Becouse why not.

Unles ofcourse you want to go for compleatly broken, and add The Time. Rewind time to before you where hurt, slow and speed upp attacks... sure, power intensive, but Phir Sē is a big deal for a reason. Also, Evasive Illusions, forcefeilds, armor, spidersilk cloth zerg healing and the ability to LOL NOPE any damage... while you can teleport and fly, with a tusch of haste from the dash. there is strong defence, and then there is THAT. the next tire in defence is pretty much reserved for endbringers.

as for offence...

The fog is op. It's cover and corrosive blasts. Bit dangerous, and a tad bad from a pr perspective (LA, London and San Fransiskos fog comes roling in, only now corrosive enough to melt metal and concrete. Slaughterhouse 9 is impressed with you)

The Sword is good, but they already have protos darktemplar blade, so probably not that important.

The frezee, The Snow: Cryokinesis. you can not go wrong with that blaster/shaker power.

any of the elemental powers really. wood is maybe more of a shaker, but meh.

Any power under The Firey.

The sand: Ok, so technical a shaker, but the power to be Gaara of the sand is offensive.

The trumps:
The dark: jack of all trades. master of none. maybe just why he should make it. those where some trades it was jack in...

The Erase: still just broken. so very scary

The little: Reduce others powers? A Trump nullifying power? YES. just... YES. Only downside: it's striker range. that you might be able to put on Mechazergs. becouse Zergs, need to be scarier

The create: If you hadn't said that it used hardlight to make stuff, a power to make any materials you want when you are a tinkerer... yeah

The dash: Haste, and the ability to grant it. i tough you where a priest, not a wizard. so what if it's short duration...


so yeah, first magic week. And hell if it's not one of the most powerful defence categories he could pull, with some of the most usefull trump abilities. Minor precog guaranteed, lets see if he will also become a postcog.
 
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Sad thing is as much as this pisses everyone off if it was any other tinker his would be the right call. Having a alien parasite in your head telling you to build things all the time is not conducive to making good decisions. What most parahumans don't understand by the PRT night is that powers want data above all else.
 
Well, now that I have my protagonist bias a little more under control, I think I'll comment on Piggot's reaction to what Peter and Taylor did.

All in all, fairly reasonable.

If Peter and Taylor had stuck to experimenting on the animals, Piggot probably wouldn't have actually cared all that much. She'd have probably just sent out a notice for animal shelters and clinics to keep a better eye out, then call the PRT if they see them. Instead, the kiddies kind of got overexcited with what they were doing and skipped straight past animal and went right to experimenting on people. It kind of shows the PRT that Tech-Priest and Ladybug are prone to extreme escalation without any reason and a disregard for safety.

They probably would have been better off just using the zerg on some random homeless guys in an out of the way part of the city. They're less likely to go to the police and would probably just appreciate having whatever ailments they have being gone.

As for the announcement. Well, Peter, at the very least, has two bodies. Even if it would probably get thrown out of court, considering these people were not only using live firearms but kidnapping small children, the PRT can't really ignore it when a cape kills.

Also, I'm looking forward to seeing what Peter decides to do with the Cards. There are a lot of powerful ones. I recall that Earthy was actually able to cause quite a bit of damage to the entire city in a matter of seconds. People tend to forget that even though the entire show was made with kids in mind, pretty much every card could probably be used to easily destroy cities.

I'd still like to see Peter pull a prank and have Taylor run around in a frilly costume at some point.
 
I'd still like to see Peter pull a prank and have Taylor run around in a frilly costume at some point.
You assume there isn't a third, hidden, outfit that is pure PINK and sparkles connected to a dead man's switch on Peter, just in case.


On a semi-related clothing note, the only, ONLY, mention of the Armsmaster underwear in Worm canon is that Taylor mentions (in her internal monologue) that she owned some as a kid when she first meets Armsmaster in person. Nothing else is ever mentioned.
 
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