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Yeah, the biggest issue I have with this chapter is that nobody talked about the risk of dealing with Max and then Max getting exposed by someone other than them. There are a lot of people who know who Max is, and some of those people could react badly when Max obviously betrayed them.

Like, honestly the correct action here, from a Heavy Gear standpoint, may be to walk away entirely. Going after Max is too risky, but embracing him is also too risky. They should go elsewhere for money and connections. Get their new healer up and running. Sell her services as a universal cure for enough money to start up the portal business. Don't make the mistake of thinking just because they are caught in a moral dilemma that they must choose one or the other.

Let Max walk away. Cut him away from you for long enough that you are pretty sure he can't drag you down with him.

THEN crush him like a bug.
 
"I also have a nasty left hook," She adds, flexing her arm. "That's something that I know how to deal with. I'll never get why people make such a fuss about numbers or dead people, but a good fist? That's easy for me to understand."

Oh, that's at least one good thing that she got from her family. Her father did a good job in training them at least, even though Aisha spent 99% of that time (In Canon) finding ways to escape exercise and training in the Gym. :grin:

But anyways, thanks for the amazing update as always and keep up the good work mate! Lots of wonderful character developments for all the younglings, especially with their newest problems regarding moral stuff and doing what needs to be done for the betterment of Brockton Bay's more...unfortunate denizens.

I actually expected Peter to immediately mind-break mind-control murder torture assassinate slaughter massacre his whole family burn to death as his insides slowly cook slice and dice slowly as his limbs are cut off one by one shove a ten-foot pole rusty rebar wrapped in barbed wire up Max's ass drop him from a few thousand meters up in the air and watch his body splatter the ground cut his tongue gouge out his eyes die die die.

*Cough* *Cough*

But hey, They just need to be vigilant and always be wary of Max's schemes! and holding a couple of cards close to their chests is definitely a requirement if they ever need to tear him down until not even dust remains. Peter just has to play smart with this development and take everything he can before eventually burning the bridge.

Kindle the Flame, but do not feed the inferno. Oftentimes strength comes from having the ability to do great violence and knowing that to do so would be wrong.
 
Yeah, the biggest issue I have with this chapter is that nobody talked about the risk of dealing with Max and then Max getting exposed by someone other than them. There are a lot of people who know who Max is, and some of those people could react badly when Max obviously betrayed them.
I agree. If this deal is ever exposed Heavy Gear's reputation will crumble to dust. Without the support of the people the PRT will have free reign to attack.
 
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Kaiser isn't some poor fool who was tricked into being Neo-Nazi. He is a racist, murderer, who ran a gang of Neo-Nazis. He knew what he was doing.
You are either ignoring, missing or bypassing my point.
Being a Neo Nazi is like being in a cult.
Kaiser is technically a cult leader.
Of fucking course he knew what he was doing.
No one is saying otherwise.
 
I feel that this chapter was just trying to justify working with the Empire. There is no such thing a part time NAZI. Even arguing that Max
Anders does not really believe in them is no justification. Don't even bring the "For the Greater Good" argument
I'm curious how you view the Roman Catholic Church, then. Many of the faithful in Germany, Poland, and France were willing to actively aid the Nazis in their hunt and extermination of the Jewish and Hitler would never have arisen to power without the aid of the Catholic Centre Party in the first place. Heck, many of the Bishops who encouraged their followers to aid them never faced any sort of backlash and were given Emeritus titles when they retired decades after the war.
 
Peter is overlooking the obvious solution of replacing Max Anders with a Doppleganger.

I'm not the only one thinking this, right?
No you're not. But that's not all either.

Just killing him is still an option so long as they don't just shoot him in broad daylight. Tattletale was lying her ass off about his death getting thinker support to figure out. The only full Thinkers in Brockton are Tats and Dinah. Even when Bakuda was bombing in canon the PRT didn't get serious support, Thinkers included. The idea that some random CEO's death in Brockton Bay would get Thinker support to solve is a pile of bull and I'm disappointed they fell for it. Just poison him with something common and not bug-based. Or find some other subtle way to do it. Make it look like guzzleshaft getting revenge for Kreig, or another split in the E88.

Or don't, but at least consider the idea instead of folding like wet paper. The entire way they handled this was difficult to read.
 
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You are either ignoring, missing or bypassing my point.
Being a Neo Nazi is like being in a cult.
Kaiser is technically a cult leader.
Of fucking course he knew what he was doing.
No one is saying otherwise.
You don't make that clear in your argument. You specifically state that Kaiser is a Neo-Nazi and that Neo Nazis are stupid rather then evil.

Edit: and if you are separating Kaiser from the cult then he is just a Nazi or just as bad.
 
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No you're not. But that's not all either.

Just killing him is still an option so long as they don't just shoot him in broad daylight. Tattletale was lying her ass off about his death getting thinker support to figure out. The only full Thinkers in Brockton are Tats and Dinah. Even when Bakuda was bombing in canon the PRT didn't get serious support, Thinkers included. The idea that some random CEO's death in Brockton Bay would get Thinker support to solve is a pile of bull and I'm disappointed they fell for it. Just poison him with something common and not bug-based. Or find some other subtle way to do it. Or don't, but at least consider the idea instead of folding like wet paper. The entire way they handled this was difficult to read.
Or, you know, just get someone to shoot him. I'm SURE it's entirely within Tattle Tale's abilities to hire a competent hitman without exposing to him her identity.
 
I almost could see the smugness pouring outside Nia.



I'm going to be sincere, I prefer her design as Gormotti more than as Blade but I'm not going to complain. We have Nia, and that's the important thing.
 
Or, you know, just get someone to shoot him. I'm SURE it's entirely within Tattle Tale's abilities to hire a competent hitman without exposing to him her identity.

If she uses Number Man, it'd be even easier. He facilitates that sortof thing all the time.

Of course, Cauldron would know. But Cauldron always knows. And this is Number Man.

Easy enough to have Number Man hire some ex-MOSSAD assassin for hire and simply have him, or her, satisfy the hit on Max Anders for his ties to a neo-nazi criminal organization in America.

Sadly... ...these are children. Even and Especially Peter. He has been fucked over by the transferrance to a younger body despite his older starting age. And their Shards are programmed to emphasize Shard on Shard violence over Human on Shard violence.

So yeah, the easy solutions are difficult to work in Worm with how fucked up the thinking Parahumans have as their own BRAINS are being excluded from the idea of being able to use anything other then shards to fight other shards.
 
Some chapter ago OP said that it was near, so... is the Ultralisk action next chapter?
 
If curious why it's wrong, just read it out loud.
Uh? I honestly don't know what you're talking about.
Edit... was going to toss an image of Nia up for reference... but would that get me in trouble? Her outfit doesn't leave that much to the imagination 😅
I don't think it's that bad, nothing that breaks the rules as far as I'm aware. And, hey, it was in a nintendo game!
I feel that this chapter was just trying to justify working with the Empire. There is no such thing a part time NAZI. Even arguing that Max
Anders does not really believe in them is no justification. Don't even bring the "For the Greater Good" argument
I'm not presenting this as the 'good' option by any stretch of the imagination. The characters were not happy with the decision they made but see it as what would led to the better outcome for everyone. When someone is balancing so many different problems as they are, answer don't become as clean or nice. With limited time and resources, they had to asked themselves if punishing the attacker was more important than helping the victims and this was their answer.

Where is Nia from?
Also how do they know he faked his death?
Nia is from Xenoblade 2.
And they know that he faked his death because Kaiser died but Max Anders is still very much alive.

Honestly, the biggest concern here is Max didn't get rid of the rest of his gang and people amongst them knew he was Kaiser.
True, but that's a double-edge sword for him. If it becomes public that Kaiser is alive and that he's a traitor to the glorious Nazi movement, his death will be an extremely ugly one.

The best possible idea, in this case, is for Max to die of seeming natural causes.
Just killing him is still an easy option so long as they don't just shoot him in broad daylight
That is what they were considering, just with extra steps. Taylor put an end to the idea, and not because 'oh, no, we shouldn't kill'. She said that. She has become okay with villains dying in the middle of battle, but to order the death of someone who become an annoyance, under the shadows and without anyone knowing that it was them? That's an absurdely slippery slope. She doesn't want to become the kind of person who can just point at other person and coldly order their deaths. At least not yet.

If she's to kill him, at least she'd like to be public about it.

Also, REALLY looking forward to Nia spending time with Panacea.
Uff, those two would get along like fire and oil. Between Nia's snark and Panacea's self-deprecation? It would be definitely fun to see.

Peter is overlooking the obvious solution of replacing Max Anders with a Doppleganger.
That would be incredibly hard to do, they'd need someone who can behaves exactly like him to trick everyone. And that goes back to the above problem of Taylor not liking that aspect of all the cloak and dagger business that they are doing.

I hoped that he wont take the easy road and stick to punishing evil even if it is hard and leads to millions people dead.
You do realize that, when you put it like that, that's exactly what Cauldron does, right? They sacrifice uncountable lives for an objective that they see as, ultimately, good.

It's also incredibly easy to say that from this side of the screen, where all those people are nothing more than a line or two in a piece of paper. For Peter, who has seen them and realized that, yes, they are human being with their own desires and dreams, it's not that easy to sacrifice them as if they were nothing more than trash to be burnt.

Hmm i don't get their whining they can just work with him now then kill him later
Yes, that's exactly what they decided at the end. They will bid their time and use the knowledge of Kaiser's identity to prepare a better counterattack.

He has the power to make a difference and improve the city's situation by killing the gangs or at least putting the fear of god in them, but keeps pussyfooting around.
Instead of that he'll try to improve the city by revitalizing the economy and generating jobs. Something that, many people would argue, could achieve things that just punching villains will never be able to.

Yeah, the biggest issue I have with this chapter is that nobody talked about the risk of dealing with Max and then Max getting exposed by someone other than them. There are a lot of people who know who Max is, and some of those people could react badly when Max obviously betrayed them.
They did. Well, they framed it as them unmasking him, but they did discuss what would happen if he was unmasked. Yes, their image would get damaged, but as long as they keep their stories straight and claim that they didn't know they will survive.

Like, honestly the correct action here, from a Heavy Gear standpoint, may be to walk away entirely. Going after Max is too risky, but embracing him is also too risky. They should go elsewhere for money and connections. Get their new healer up and running. Sell her services as a universal cure for enough money to start up the portal business. Don't make the mistake of thinking just because they are caught in a moral dilemma that they must choose one or the other.
Yes, that was a perfectly valid option. In hindsight, I should have added a couple lines of them discussing them. The problem with that option is that it leaves them with nothing outside that fuzzy feeling of doing the right thing without achieving anything of lasting impact. Yes, they could have waited. Maybe with Nia they could have made enough money to do everything on their own, but that would have taken time and they weren't sure if that would have worked. Anders offered them that had a high chance of working as predicted.

Some chapter ago OP said that it was near, so... is the Ultralisk action next chapter?
Mmmm, definitely not. But if I manage to put all the scenes I want in the next chapter, then there will probably be Ultralisk action in the chapter after that one. Whitin the next 4 chapters surely.
 
The whole "Kaiser faked his death" thing doesn't make much sense to me. I'd give Gesselschaft a 90% chance of knowing his identity (they had to have performed some kind of due diligence when giving away Night and Fog, and Kreig has presumably been reporting to them regularly for quite a while), the Herren Clan a 60% chance, and that doesn't count any E88 members involved with administrative work and/or combat support for fights Kaiser was personally involved in. Or anyone on the Medhall side who's not officially E88 but figured out too much and kept quiet for fear of the E88. The Anders family, the E88, and Medhall have been married for literally generations. He can't possibly have a list of everyone who has reason to know his identity. Secret Identities just aren't that secret, not on the inside of a large multigenerational organization of that character. Heck, I doubt he can even reliably guarantee the silence of his own family.

To me, his whole scheme looks painfully obviously doomed to rapid failure even if Heavy Gear does absolutely nothing. If I were them, my sole concern over that scheme would be an exit strategy to make sure I didn't fall with him. Well, that, and making sure the public was aware that Taylor was denying having killed Krieg.
 
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Uff, those two would get along like fire and oil. Between Nia's snark and Panacea's self-deprecation? It would be definitely fun to see.

Don't forget PanPan's own general bitchiness and snark.

God, they'd be like two ER night nurses. The jibes and comments would be delicious.

Oh yeah, that is definitely something I am looking forward to.
 
The pointless teenage drama is getting to the level of smallville. Have been forced to skim 90% of the these chapters. Hope your mc will get unfucked soon
 
Is it me or each "big" villain in this fic is basically Coil but with different powers?? (Bakuda, Coil, Kaiser...)

Not every enemy in this fic needs to be a "mastermind" type of guy you know? They can be different and have their own goals and personality xD
 
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