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Honestly I'm just annoyed by Alexandria.

The gangs have shown willingness to shred the cops and robbers PG-13 lie. Tagg in this situation leads to streets full of corpses, full stop. No parahuman reinforcements from outside the city. No reinforcements at all, really. Putting the area under martial law would be ugly but more effective. Putting someone in charge who actually thinks about compromise in any way would be better. Is she trying to make the city fall?
 
No, it would only require administrative procedures to inspect (or pull data from remotely) any and all personal electronic devices on suspicion of committing a crime while in a law enforcement status. That is what normal police Internal Affairs is intended for and all Federal entities that have access to lethal force have something like it.

Requires proof, despite the "reasonable doubt" present after Coil. WoG is not in story proof.

Personal Rant: @Poliamida I realize this is your story and that Wildbow set the tone for this idiocy, but it frustrates me no end to hear "they killed, therefore murder." It simply, legally, does not work that way. Any DA or unbought judge would refuse those charges if they had ANY sort of integrity. Murder has a fairly standardized requirement in the US: It must be a premeditated action that results in the death of one or more persons. Anything else is justified homicide in the defense of self or others (which this would possibly meet the requirements of in any reasonable court), general homicide (which some areas might uglify as "2nd" or "3rd" degree murder), or manslaughter. Where E88 started wholesale slaughter before Heavy Gear arrived on the scene, that sets the tone, even in "duty to retreat" states, that lethal force in retaliation to prevent further tragedy would be authorized, with the proof of standing down after their opponents were defeated, routed, or captured, that excessive force was NOT used.
I'm just going to point out that not once did Renick say they murdered anyone. Costa-Brown did and Renick didn't correct her, though given his state of mind it's not hard to see him missing it, but that could be an intentional word choice considering that her solution here is to make Tagg the new director instead of discretely sending Legend down for a few days to hit the E88 when they next pop up. The rest of the time it was in the PHO interlude and do you really think that people screaming about shooting the Biotinker are going to know or care about the difference?

The greater problem in my opinion is that not only is Renick (with Armsmaster's help) explicitly violating the Unwritten Rules he's doing it to try and bring in Heavy Gear instead of using his nuclear option to take down the last of the E88. Does he think that he'll get them all? That Cawl won't retaliate in order to retrieve a group he has obviously invested so much in? That just because he's not a cape he, and by extension the rest of the PRT troopers, are safe from dying in bed with a slashed throat now that he's done away with the set of customs which dictate that you don't start a fight with someone while they're "off the clock" so to speak?
 
And the Protectorate/PRT will probably try to bum-rush Heavy Gear in the aftermath and damn the Truce (or at least try to hide what they're doing). Becuase the team will have spent a lot of their war material countering/trying to counter the Endbringer.
I think you are severely underestimating the ability of the Swarm to build up. If Peter decides to fully unleash the Mecha Swarm during the fight, they could end up with more production capacity at the end of the battle than what they started with. They will be able to build an entire army in minutes, and that's a Mecha Swarm army augmented by Peter's other fiction tech. A Mecha Swarm deployed by an AI. That's almost as good a Korean pro Starcraft player.
 
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The greater problem in my opinion is that not only is Renick (with Armsmaster's help) explicitly violating the Unwritten Rules he's doing it to try and bring in Heavy Gear instead of using his nuclear option to take down the last of the E88. Does he think that he'll get them all? That Cawl won't retaliate in order to retrieve a group he has obviously invested so much in? That just because he's not a cape he, and by extension the rest of the PRT troopers, are safe from dying in bed with a slashed throat now that he's done away with the set of customs which dictate that you don't start a fight with someone while they're "off the clock" so to speak?
To be fair, he probably views it as saving her from someone using her as a disposable child soldier. Where the truth is that there is no Cawl.
 
Because Renick is working on a faulty foundation (basing all his assumptions about Heavy Gear's motivations on the observed personality of their 'leader' who doesn't exist) all his plans are either doomed to fail or make things worse.
This is what Worm is all about. Little mistakes and impulsive decisions spiraling out of control and making everything worse.
 
I think you are severely underestimating the ability of the Swarm to build up. If Peter decides to fully unleash the Mecha Swarm during the fight, they could end up with more production capacity at the end of the battle than what they started with. They will be able to build an entire army in minutes, and that's a Mecha Swarm army augmented by Peter's other fiction tech. A Mecha Swarm deployed by an AI. That's almost as good a Korean pro Starcraft player.
Sorry, I guess I should have worded instead that the PRT would see this as the perfect time to strike, not that it neccesarily is in truth. Peter's automated mass production capability is kind of an OCP for Earth-Bet.
 
I'm just going to point out that not once did Renick say they murdered anyone. Costa-Brown did and Renick didn't correct her, though given his state of mind it's not hard to see him missing it, but that could be an intentional word choice considering that her solution here is to make Tagg the new director instead of discretely sending Legend down for a few days to hit the E88 when they next pop up. The rest of the time it was in the PHO interlude and do you really think that people screaming about shooting the Biotinker are going to know or care about the difference?

The greater problem in my opinion is that not only is Renick (with Armsmaster's help) explicitly violating the Unwritten Rules he's doing it to try and bring in Heavy Gear instead of using his nuclear option to take down the last of the E88. Does he think that he'll get them all? That Cawl won't retaliate in order to retrieve a group he has obviously invested so much in? That just because he's not a cape he, and by extension the rest of the PRT troopers, are safe from dying in bed with a slashed throat now that he's done away with the set of customs which dictate that you don't start a fight with someone while they're "off the clock" so to speak?
That Renick did not? I agree, though any law enforcement (especially those dealing with public affairs/PR) would either restrict themselves to "suspicion of murder" or the less contentious homicide.
Do the PHO readers care or know? No small number, especially the official accounts, would know, but current events would tend to prove that the general public wouldn't care unless taking HG's side.

As to the Unwritten Rules violation? They are stated to be unwritten for a reason. Aside from that, evidence that comes up in the investigation of a crime (the arson of Winslow) is legally still fair game, even if it would otherwise be frowned upon.
 
Especially if Heavy Gear manages to murder Leviathan. Giant monomolecular Kaiser Blades against it are going to be devastating. We already know shit like that WORKS on the Endbringers. And Scion.
Per WoG you are going to have to put out enough power to vaporize a planetary mass to kill an Endbringer, use exotic effects, or have the control systems. Those blades are not going to do much even assuming Leviathan doesn't crush them flat.
 
As it is, Leviathan is hitting in 9 days
Wait, I just remembered, did Heavy Gear ever deal with Noelle/Echnida?

Coil got taken out before he brought the Travelers to Brockton Bay, so they are presumably still in Boston (unless Accord has driven them out). That does mean it is possible Leviathan will target somewhere else (maybe boston, maybe somewhere else). Though he might still decide that Brockton Bay is a high enough value target to go after it still.

If Leviathan does hit Brockton Bay, I fully expect to see Ultralisks sent against it. If it doesn't hit Brockton Bay, I don't think Heavy Gear's teleportation stuff will let them bring them there, so the Ultralisks won't be introduced against Leviathan, so we will get to see the Ultralisks politely inform Tagg that whatever militaristic power play he has planned won't work out so well.

I'm kind of wondering how Danny is going to handle getting confronted about what Taylor is up to, because I suspect Renick is going to approach him with their suspicions.
 
Renick: We just need one win here, to prove that we still can.
Heavy Gear + Undersiders: Wait until they start to lose then jump in to show them up.

Well... That's going to go predictably.

On Tag- I've only seen this done very rarely, but so remember them unless he's bringing in all new people, somehow, the troopers and Capes he's going to be giving orders to with the total war mindset are going to be the same capes and troopers that have been in the city and dealing with the players here for, you know, years? Any of them just maybe say no or refuse to follow orders when they know quite well that the results will be people dieing?

Like, the Arcadia thing happened in canon because A) a precog told them it would work out, and B) Skitter, terrifying as she was, has a reputation for not killing people and not even hurting she wasn't actually targeting. It was still stupid, but it was sending in an overwhelming force to deal with one target known for remarkably little collateral damage or casualties. As everyone has just seen, an assault on Heavy Gear is one on a target that has an army of their own and are not going to hold back. I kind of really want to see Tagg being less effective than he should be because people keep not listening to stupid orders.

Well, if I had to throw the ideas out there, depending on how much Rebecca wants the situation contained and how much fuckery Heavy Gear, E88 and Protectorate commit in the meantime, he could requisition Dragon. Or someone from Triumvirate could come to play. Never mind that the Triumvirate didn't come for Lung, but would do it for a bunch of teenagers, nothing interesting to see, citizen, move along.

But, that aside. Everyone is pitying Renick for having to produce a win in the next two weeks. You know what else was within two weeks in canon? Leviathan.

And this is just speculation, I don't have any information on whether or not it's accurate, but I think the Simurgh cannot precog Peter past him switching specialties. That'd be a reason for her to kill him ( or send her elder bro to do it ) just on principle.
 
Renick was never shown to be the guy in charge in canon if I remember correctly. I hope that in his hunt for a victory that will keep Taggart out he realizes that instead of trying to strong-arm the kid trying to help the city (if a bit bloody about it) they go after the card-carrying Nazis. Take those resources and focus on the murderers not acting in self-defense of others.
It always irked me that somehow they were able to keep groups like the E88 and the Teeth from being labeled terrorist groups and being dealt with that way. Let's have someone in a position of authority on Earth Bet not pick up the idiot ball. Take the PR from beating all the Nazis and not from beating on kids forced to act because you wont.
 
Per WoG you are going to have to put out enough power to vaporize a planetary mass to kill an Endbringer, use exotic effects, or have the control systems. Those blades are not going to do much even assuming Leviathan doesn't crush them flat.

It's not quite that much. Just enough energy to life-wipe the planet would kill an Endbringer, and that has to be delivered through blunt force trauma, due to it being from Saitama in WoG. So, Goku and Superman could kill an Endbringer with punches.

With cutting force, the big thing you need to do is just get to the core. Ultralisk blades aren't quite like Nano-thorns, unfortunately. They'll cut through most substances pretty well, but they aren't like lightsabers. It'll stall out eventually from just not having enough force behind it to cut all the way through the solid wall of denser and denser mass that the Endbringers are made out of.

If anything the Psi-Blade itself has a better chance of killing Leviathan. It literally is described as "capable of cutting through any matter regardless of density." And that's exactly how Endbringer flesh is designed to protect the core, through impossible space-wedgie derived density. And that's before you add in the qualities of The Sword into things. The Sword mixed with a Psi-Blade? I totally think that's your silver bullet that can cut to an Endbringer's core and kill it.

So, Ultralisks are best used to pin Leviathan down, and then someone like The Fight using The Sword/Psi-Balde weapon could do the job.

The problem though? It will only work once. If Leviathan or any other Endbringer know you're a threat, it stops sandbagging and will immediately go all out to kill the threat. Ignoring that, if you do kill Leviathan. Good job. Three Endbringers wake up and join the cycle, and are designed specifically with bodies and powers in mind that are immune to that trick. That's why Khonsu, and Tohu/Bohu both have actual energy shields between their density layers when previous Endbringers did not. They're tougher than the past set, and hypothetically, this trend would continue until you reach all 20. And Psi-Blades get stuck on energy shields just like Lightsabers do. The Sword may make up the difference, but with the knowledge they gained from the first fight, it's not like the Endbringers will ever let you cut them again in the first place.

Every anti-endbringer weapon Peter makes? It has to be a new weapon essentially, designed with the Endbringer it's made to kill in mind. It doesn't help that every one you kill, makes the Endbringer cycle ramp up in intensity and randomness, giving you no gurantee on which Endbringer will pop up next.

Honestly, at that point with meta-knowledge, the easiest thing to do instead of fighting the giant super monsters is to either kill, mind control, rehabilitate, or de-power Eidolon. Presumably in a way that lets Peter take control of the Endbringers himself rather than let them meander about and do whatever. Specifically the Simurgh.
 
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Honestly I'm just annoyed by Alexandria.

The gangs have shown willingness to shred the cops and robbers PG-13 lie. Tagg in this situation leads to streets full of corpses, full stop. No parahuman reinforcements from outside the city. No reinforcements at all, really. Putting the area under martial law would be ugly but more effective. Putting someone in charge who actually thinks about compromise in any way would be better. Is she trying to make the city fall?

Err. Remember, they don't give a fuck about the city. The experiment they have going on with Brockton Bay presupposes that as far as they are concerned, it can become a burning ruin with gangs on top of it, and only then they will mop up the remains.

With Coil out of the game, her plans most likely involve recruiting the members of Heavy Gear.
You know, a Master 8 and a Tinker/Trump 9 and a bunch of his creations.

And if you think she cannot be possibly this stupid in recruiting them with actively antagonizing them by sending Tagg... remember what she did in canon?
 
Honestly the bigger problem there would be Cawl classifying them as abominable intelligences.
Eh, what clasifies or doesn't as "abominable intelligences" is mostly up to every tech-priest individually. If Peter points out that they have human blood as part of their inner components, Cawl would accept them because of their biological half.

This is something that many 40K fics don't get, the Empire does have AIs on the level of Cortana and beyond, and they are perfectly accepted as long as they have organic components. It's the purely synthetic intelligences the ones that are hunted down.

So is there an updtate every week?
So far I have managed one update a week. Keeping to that schedule helps with the motivation to write.
(Also the coments, thanks you guys!)

It also completely fails to even mention, much less actually consider, that Heavy Gear has a territory in the first place because they provide essential services, which the government seems to be incapable of.

But that's very characteristic of the PRT. The idea of just giving people stuff so they'll do what you want has always been beyond them.
Yes, that's correct, but the purpose of the PRT is above all else to contain criminal parahumans. Solving the problem of essential services is up to other organizations.

That's some bullshit, there are canonically incriminating texts on Emma's phone which they should have immediately seized as part of standard procedure.
And they have no way of knowing that those texts exist. To get her phone they'd need a legal order, one that they can't get without a good reason which they currently don't have.

This id the first time seeing Renick act like Armsmaster, or make that particular mistake.
Uh? In which way did he act like Armsmaster?

Ok if Costa Brown is suppoused to be on the whole Feudalism expariment, why the heck is she sending Tagg? Does she want a war to start earlier?
Well, yes. BB is the place where they stress-test all their assumptions about Parahumans. Also, she's using Tagg mostly as a threat against Renick, he wants him to step up and not getting Tagg into the city is a great motivation.

I mean, he wont even try to talk with Heavy Gear, he is fucked either way
Who says he wont?
Renick's problem is that he's working under the assumption that HG is being controlled by an adult parahuman.

Personal Rant: @Poliamida I realize this is your story and that Wildbow set the tone for this idiocy, but it frustrates me no end to hear "they killed, therefore murder." It simply, legally, does not work that way. Any DA or unbought judge would refuse those charges if they had ANY sort of integrity. Murder has a fairly standardized requirement in the US: It must be a premeditated action that results in the death of one or more persons. Anything else is justified homicide in the defense of self or others (which this would possibly meet the requirements of in any reasonable court), general homicide (which some areas might uglify as "2nd" or "3rd" degree murder), or manslaughter. Where E88 started wholesale slaughter before Heavy Gear arrived on the scene, that sets the tone, even in "duty to retreat" states, that lethal force in retaliation to prevent further tragedy would be authorized, with the proof of standing down after their opponents were defeated, routed, or captured, that excessive force was NOT used.
I fully agree, in a court of law with lawyers present this wouldn't fly, but this isn't the case. The people arguing 'murder this murder that' were those in PHO, and randos on the internet are not the people you should be asking for sound legal advice. The only other person to say this was Costa Brown, who is purposely putting pressure on Renick.
Renick's argument, on the other hand, was never about them being 'murderers', it was about them being children being sent to kill at the behest of a mysterious third party.

No, it would only require administrative procedures to inspect (or pull data from remotely) any and all personal electronic devices on suspicion of committing a crime while in a law enforcement status. That is what normal police Internal Affairs is intended for and all Federal entities that have access to lethal force have something like it.
Getting access to Sophia's phone would be relatively easy, but I doubt she'd be stupid enough to keep dangerous information in the phone that's official property of the PRT. It's Emma's phone the one they want, and she's an unrelated civilian.

makes me wonder about Poppet. Will they be getting a new member? One can hope.
Who knows! You never know with stuff like this.
But I'll tell you that Tech-Priest most definitely has a fan.

Honestly, its like Costa Brown wants to sabotage the PRT with how hands off she is over Brockton Bay. Yeah yeah, its Cauldron's 'feudalism experiment', but the splash back affects all of the PRT outside of Brockton.
And its gonna get worse since Renick refuses to see Heavy Gear as anything but children who needs to be 'saved', and Tagg is gonna try to fight a war against someone with Mecha-Zerg.
It's like Cauldron is constantly shooting themselves on the foot...

From a more objective perspective, I'm writting Costa Brown as someone who no longer wants to keep the BB branch on life support. Renick is right on that accord, the Coil fiasco was an absolute disaster that tainted all the officers and heroes working there. Many people in the PRT (not related to Cauldron) would be happy if they could disband the entire branch and start over to wash that stain with new, fresh people.

Wait, I just remembered, did Heavy Gear ever deal with Noelle/Echnida?
They 'dealt' with her by not letting Coil get Dinah and so never getting the Travellers in the Bay.

I'm worried about how the story goes, the constant "victories" that end with the characters more destroyed than reinforced is very Worm.
I am trying to show that they are making progress, it's just very slow because there's so much work to do in BB.
Things will get better, I can promise you that because I'm a succer for happy uplifting endings, but next week will be very hard for all of them for a variety of reasons.
 
Is this Cauldron getting revenge for HG taking out their chesspiece PRT director? They have to know sending Tagg will result in war with HG. Are they giving up on the experiment just to take HG down?
BB will end up just another quarantined city. You'd think they have enough of those already.
 
This is something that many 40K fics don't get, the Empire does have AIs on the level of Cortana and beyond, and they are perfectly accepted as long as they have organic components. It's the purely synthetic intelligences the ones that are hunted down.

Yeah, the problem with purely synthetic AIs in Warhammer is that they don't have souls. And without souls, daemons can possess them like one-two-three.

From a more objective perspective, I'm writting Costa Brown as someone who no longer wants to keep the BB branch on life support. Renick is right on that accord, the Coil fiasco was an absolute disaster that tainted all the officers and heroes working there. Many people in the PRT (not related to Cauldron) would be happy if they could disband the entire branch and start over to wash that stain with new, fresh people.

Well, sending Tagg will certainly solve that problem for her... no PRT branch, no problem.
 
Getting access to Sophia's phone would be relatively easy, but I doubt she'd be stupid enough to keep dangerous information in the phone that's official property of the PRT. It's Emma's phone the one they want, and she's an unrelated civilian.
Going to have to give this a "meh." Any and all of her (Sophia's) recorded means of communication (to include email) would be fair game, they know that she has a separate "civvie" phone, and Sophia isn't the brightest, or most stable, person around. I agree that her official phone would be (edit: relatively) clean, her non-burner civvie phone might be, but with the preponderance of burner phones available in canon, I think they would look a bit beyond just the official phone.
 
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