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Logos01 said:
The point is: their position will be: "It is a state and federal felony to be in possession of the means to make war without government oversight and control. You will surrender any access to such means -- and if that's yourself, then you will surrender yourself -- to the control of the government or the government, for the good of the people and in the interests of national security, not only can bring the full force of the law and military against you, but must do so."

It's not about the civilians who died. It's about his mere existing committing the greatest of all crimes: undermining the legitimacy of the state.
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In most fics, and arguably canon, the government is either useless or slowly failing. Villain groups by their very natures undermine the legitimacy of the state - and generally, the most dangerous ones are ignored or just too strong. It's an open secret when mass-murderers are walking the streets and the authorities pretend they don't exist for the status quo. Arresting less powerful groups for the crime of self-defense will only create more criminals. Do I think the PRT will go lawful stupid? Eh, probably. Need drama somewhere, I guess.
 
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PROTOTYPElu2 said:
Why isn't he killing the empire capes? What is his problem? Is there some sort of Geas in him that makes him incapable of killing when it matters?
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He isn't killing downed enemies because he's not a psycho.

He's killing when necessary during battle (see half a nazi and cruzader) but summary execution of captives is frowned upon in most places
 
Eeda said:
Now is a good time to think in bigger guns, much more bigger guns. Because Krieg is nominaly E88 but his ties are Gesellschaft.

So we can expect more Nazies?
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That depends on how much of his rotten soul Kaiser is willing to sell.

Protectorate leadership may want to be careful here. E88 just attacked the Docks with capes, and who stopped them?

Protectorate capes? No.

PRT troopers? Guess again.

The BBPD? Movie fodder, but no.

Heavy Gear, and their friends the Undersiders.

If they try to arrest or press-gang Peter and his sister, they will quite likely have war in the Docks.
 
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Time to go full savage, take the arms and legs from your prisoners at the shoulder and hip (can't disguise that and goodluck trying to run)

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I read a 40k fanfiction once and the mc had to secure a bunch of traitor marines cuz their former chapter wouldn't let them be killed before interogation so he irdered their limbs removed and i thought to myself ("well golly gee if i ain't ever heard a better way to keep prisoners from escapin!")
 
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Grumpkin said:
If they try to arrest or press-gang Peter and his sister, they will quite likely have war in the Docks.
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There is alredy a close cold war alredy, but now PRT knows they not goin anganish five parahumans, it's two alied front of 9 parahumans (PRT don't know or care Aishia is not a parahuman and Newt and Fight are artificial) and what amouts to a little army of tinkertech.

Piggott must be goin nuts in this instant. As they don't know were Hevy Gear is geting the resourses so put in an unknow factor or more credit to the secret backers theory
 
I am not saying that they should... but it would be bloody ironic if they performed the Blood eagle execution on the Empire goons.

Eeda said:
Piggott must be goin nuts in this instant. As they don't know were Hevy Gear is geting the resourses so put in an unknow factor or more credit to the secret backers theory
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Wasn't Piggot (Or rather, Coil) replaced by that other guy? The one who deduced that their burning of Winslow had something to do with Shadow Stalker?
 
Eeda said:
To be fair Hevy Gear inspiration comes from Warhammer 40000 it's easy (in comparison) to make a list of the things that are Not war crimes in the seting.
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True, but while Peter may be tempted, and both Newt and The Fight would likely follow his orders, Taylor wants to be decent, and honestly he would likely do as she wished in this scenario.
 
AmbiguousAngle said:
In most fics, and arguably canon, the government is either useless or slowly failing. Villain groups by their very natures undermine the legitimacy of the state - and generally, the most dangerous ones are ignored or just too strong. It's an open secret when mass-murderers are walking the streets and the authorities pretend they don't exist for the status quo. Arresting less powerful groups for the crime of self-defense will only create more criminals. Do I think the PRT will go lawful stupid? Eh, probably. Need drama somewhere, I guess.
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It's the problem of the slow boil versus the open and spreading flame. Both will cook you, but you actually notice and react to one before and the other only after.

The closest that the E88 have to a mass murderer is Hookwolf, but his body-count isn't actually stated in canon and he isn't ignored.

The worst killers in the 'Bay before Bakuda were Lung and Oni Lee -- and they didn't have the means to actually take down either without backup they were repeatedly denied access to because Cauldron.

Throughout the rest of the nation you have the S9, who have their reasons for not being taken down; Bastard Son's faction -- who can't actually hold homes and has to stay under the radar despite being Triumvirate tier supposedly, and the Fallen -- who again have Mama Mathers and her literal cult of Masters to keep them from being taken down.

These are all problems to the notional rule of law. But note that not even the Mathers Clan waged a five hundred man army war against innocent bystanders... nor was able to fend off such an army with an army of their own that hadn't existed a month earlier.

There's letting yourself boil like a frog, and there's sticking your genitals in an angle grinder to set your chest cavity on fire from the sparks.

The government has to take control over Heavy Gear now, as Peter has unveiled himself to be a State-level actor.
 
Well, this was a kick in the pants for Peter. I know i wasn't expecting a full scale assault on their territory. I figured that Kaiser would be trying to slowly ruin their reputation, not this.

Peter is going to have to up the rate of production for his Zerg. There simply wasn't enough of them to deal with the number of enemies that invaded their territory. I think this is the first time where the Zerg were the ones who were outnumbered.

Since Peter is probably going to lose Xenoblade 2 tech soon, he's probably going to want to figure out a way to automatically produce Crystal Cores. One of their problems is that they just don't have that many cape tier allies right now. He could probably sacrifice a few of his current Zerg in order to produce a pseudo-titan to create cores.

Also, I think the protectorate purposefully held back until the fighting was almost over. That, or because it was a poor area, they just didn't react very fast. I think it's canon that the PRT and Protecterate have essentially abandoned the less affluent sections of the city. It wouldn't surprise me if the PRT tries to arrest Heavy Gear over this.
 
Grumpkin said:
Wow, some of y'all sure are eager for HG to do war crimes.
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Eeda said:
To be fair Hevy Gear inspiration comes from Warhammer 40000 it's easy (in comparison) to make a list of the things that are Not war crimes in the seting.
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"It is said that Nazism is like a tree. Its roots lie in darkness while its leaves wave in the sun. You can prune away its branches, even cut the tree to the ground but it will grow again, even stronger. Such is the nature of Nazism and why it is so difficult to destroy. Some may question my right to execute prisoners in cold blood, but those who understand realize I have no right to let them live."
 
Logos01 said:
The government has to take control over Heavy Gear now, as Peter has unveiled himself to be a State-level actor.
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If they try, war is coming to Brockton Bay, and the locals won't all be on their side.

Not saying they won't try. They're imbeciles like that, but they won't like what comes next

Kotar said:
It wouldn't surprise me if the PRT tries to arrest Heavy Gear over this.
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They'll likely try to arrest all parahumans involved. For safety.
 
Josnacio said:
"It is said that Nazism is like a tree. Its roots lie in darkness while its leaves wave in the sun. You can prune away its branches, even cut the tree to the ground but it will grow again, even stronger. Such is the nature of Nazism and why it is so difficult to destroy. Some may question my right to execute prisoners in cold blood, but those who understand realize I have no right to let them live."
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To kill a Nazi in battle is one thing. Torture is its own beast. In the U.S. legal system, even Nazis have rights. If you willingly violate those rights, you deserve a cell next to theirs.

Ridli Scott said:
Well... there would be a stabilizing factor on that name, two villains would flee the city ASAP: Uber and Leet.
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Immediate benefit. Great success.
 
Josnacio said:
"It is said that Nazism is like a tree. Its roots lie in darkness while its leaves wave in the sun. You can prune away its branches, even cut the tree to the ground but it will grow again, even stronger. Such is the nature of Nazism and why it is so difficult to destroy. Some may question my right to execute prisoners in cold blood, but those who understand realize I have no right to let them live."
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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster . . . when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you"

Being willing to kill Nazis in cold blood is the path to becoming something equally evil.

The key is to never relax against their vitriol but also to never use their tools. Against them, or otherwise.

Killing them when they take up arms? Yes. Killing them when they have been laid low? No.

We who carry the pretensions of enlightenment and civilization must carry the burden of taking the harder path; the one that is at times less effective... because only in doing so can we as a species and a people ever find ourselves in the places where only that harder path can take us.
 
Logos01 said:
"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster . . . when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you"

Being willing to kill Nazis in cold blood is the path to becoming something equally evil.

The key is to never relax against their vitriol but also to never use their tools. Against them, or otherwise.

Killing them when they take up arms? Yes. Killing them when they have been laid low? No.

We who carry the pretensions of enlightenment and civilization must carry the burden of taking the harder path; the one that is at times less effective... because only in doing so can we as a species and a people ever find ourselves in the places where only that harder path can take us.
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Damn well spoken. Too few people get this.
 
Logos01 said:
The worst killers in the 'Bay before Bakuda were Lung and Oni Lee -- and they didn't have the means to actually take down either without backup they were repeatedly denied access to because Cauldron.

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The government has to take control over Heavy Gear now, as Peter has unveiled himself to be a State-level actor.
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I suppose it's up to Cauldron, if they even pay attention. Their policies are already in place. And while the wholesale slaughter of civilians is a big deal, so is forceful drug addiction, slavery, prostitution, and implanting freaking bombs in heads that seemed to never seemed to stay in the public consciousness for long.

All in all, I don't really think this event will gain the sort of national response that you would expect in any sane world. I suspect that there's so much shit happening on Earth Bet that stuff we would remember for decades is just another bad month for them.
 
I think the only real response to this?

Reveal Kaiser's real name on national television.

If Max wants to send in his people to break the unwritten rules, then he is no longer covered by them.

Heavy Gear is not a gang. Its not a criminal empire. These people aren't drug dealers, thugs, or anything like the ABB. Their only crime is that they are another color, helpless in the face of threat, and just want to be at peace.

Heavy Gear was offering that, and doing their best to do it. They weren't using them for illegal money operations or doing anything like a parahuman villain gang would.

So, Max coming in like this and intentionally slaughtering them?

Pure terrorism.

So label him that, call him by his name on national television, and tell the world where the line in the sand is. And if they don't like it... Ultralisks.
 
Aconitum said:
If he plans to hand over the capes to the PRT, then hopefully not to the BB office, but somewhere else ... With teleportation it should be child's play. It'd be funny if he showed up with them in Boston or New York.

And the PRT probably already has brown pants from the zerg :rofl:
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Fuck taking them to the East coast.
Drop them in China.
Let the Yangban have them.
 
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