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morkail said:
I wonders if he can build a robot army,
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What about the droid army from star wars? The mecha zerg can construct the factories in Africa so it's not on PRT land and he can have a loyal tactical droid take over and unite it for the CIS and resources!

The only problem would be getting them there undetected... maybe a submarine? Star wars has those right?
 
morkail said:
Also considering he seems to know the worm story line he's been really damn casual about coil and his tech can self replicate well we don't know to what degree yet.
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The issue with Coil is that he's a bullet-point problem that people tend to massively overestimated. Neither him nor TT are omniscient, and as long as the MC doesn't interact with TT it's extremely hard for him to uncover any useful information. Another thing that people tend to massively exaggerate is his tendency to kidnap people. He only did that with Thinkers, Tinkers on the other hand he's happy to keep loyal by providing them with resources: Leet, Chariot and Trainwreck willingly worked under him because he paid them. The same with the great majority of capes under his employment.

The MC know about Coil, his identity, and operations, so it's actually fairly easy to remain outside his reach as long as one take appropriate measures. Of course, for the MC 'appropriate measures' include an army of Mecha-Zerg.

And about the Mecha-Zerg they are, well, robots created with the idea of replicating the adaptability of the biological Zerg. The MC can eventually built Mecha Ultralisks.

morkail said:
I wonders if he can build a robot army, I'm still waiting for a worm tinker story that's focus more on building ships to escape earth because killing Zion in any kind of stand up fight is nearly impossible. Still a good story keep it up.
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The problem with leaving the planet is that it can be just as hard as fighting Zion with Ziz around. Zion might also take offense on people trying to leave.

Jubjub115 said:
What about the droid army from star wars?
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Ugh, the SW droids make me cringe from a militaristic perspective. Why make them humanoid to beging with? I see the Mecha Zerg as a far more deadly robot army.
 
Because the B-1 droids have personality and are less likely to get someone to freak out than mechazergs, you could make hundreds of the bastards with the right tools but the zergs could get you a one way ticket to a kill order or birdcage.

Edit: Unless these are carbot zerg which is an entirely different barrel of worms.
 
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RedDeadShyguy said:
Because the B-1 droids have personality
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That... is even less of a reason to build them. What kind of sick fuck builds creatures with distinctive personalities with the idea of them being disposable cannon fodder?
Just look at this clip:


It's uncomfortable, that's what I'm saying.

RedDeadShyguy said:
zergs could get you a one way ticket to a kill order or birdcage.
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The SI is aware of that. He doesn't care.
 
It's a side effect from the processors he droids use not being powerful enough meaning they get data overflow which causes the chatterbox behavior, that and droids that don't get frequent wipes build up a personality over time, I also forgot that Tech isn't the best at not doing the idiot ball.
 
Poliamida said:
The problem with leaving the planet is that it can be just as hard as fighting Zion with Ziz around. Zion might also take offense on people trying to leave.
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If I remember my Worm lore, the Entities will prevent a mass exodus of the host species if they were homeworld-bound.


So individual escapees might have a chance to GTFO, unless their shard hates them or the shard is too important but this underlined part is merely speculation. But I don't know what action Zion would take on this current scenario.
 
RedDeadShyguy said:
It's a side effect from the processors he droids use not being powerful enough meaning they get data overflow which causes the chatterbox behavior, that and droids that don't get frequent wipes build up a personality over time, I also forgot that Tech isn't the best at not doing the idiot ball.
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Yeah, I'm not getting into the argument of if SW droid are or not sentient or if owning them is or isn't slavery.
I have been in several of those and they never end well.
 
Poliamida said:
Tinkers on the other hand he's happy to keep loyal by providing them with resources
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Tinkers are also enormously difficult to keep contained. Here's a WOG about Armsmaster theoretically breaking out of prison

Wildbow said:
If you put Armsmaster in a regular prison he could get up to shenanigans with relative ease. Would he? Up to your interpretation.

Assuming he really wanted out...

Melt end of toothbrush via. sustained friction, lighter, or by strategically breaking window to refract light. Get it soft, then press into one of the screws that holds the cage against the ceiling, where a grid of bars typically protect the light fixture. Let it harden again. Unscrew cage/mount for the light fixture. Dismantle bulb for filaments, phosphor, cathodes, glass, caps, etc. Reconstruct bulb with less components. If necessary, make a polite complaint that the light in the cell isn't working properly, have it swapped out, then repeat the process for more components. Chances are good people won't do a thorough check of the bulb and realize you've rigged it to be an old-fashioned incandescent light rather than a gas-discharge bulb. It still works, it just doesn't work well.

Obtain, steal, barter for, or smuggle a 2B pencil and metal components (coins, paperclips, staples). Battery would be a plus. Old guy with a hearing aid battery, tv remote, steal a phone and take the battery from there. Failing that, design one. Go tinkermode for ultra-fine etching of circuits via. pencil on paper and engineering of simple robot.

Robot that can fit in the palm of his hand is then used to find objects meeting certain crude criteria (within X, Y, Z, dimensions, bright, dark). With simple components gathered over days, advance robot. Can even do the circuit writing on paper in plain view - just play the part of the crazy tinker. Act obsessive about it. He can get them talking about whether not letting him have a workshop is detrimental to his mental health.

All the while, he's very sane and he's very focused. What he can't hide or have his robot hide, he places inside his skin, making incisions and sliding things under.

Is he going to build a nano-thorn Halberd? No. But two months into his sentence, that is a man who could be taking out guards and making it look like he's the one that's in control of the system, while he walks, not runs, through the various checkpoints and barricades. The guards end up being the ones that are flustered and trying to head him off, communications and cameras down.
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Granted, Coil would probably be able to keep better track of a Tinker than a prison would, but the problem would still remain. The problem get's worse if Coil asks the tinker to build him tinker tech, because then he'll be completely unable to gauge if it'll somehow backfire on him. A loyal tinker might be able to root out hidden traps in the imprisoned tinker's tech, but unless their abilities overlap, there's always the possibility that the imprisoned tinker is somehow secretly building up resources for a breakout attempt.

The only really successful fic where Coil imprison's a Tinker is one where he tries to psychologically break Taylor down so she'll be more compliant. Even in that fic, she ends up running away. (Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the fic)
 
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Poliamida said:
Why make them humanoid to beging with? I see the Mecha Zerg as a far more deadly robot army.
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Simple reason, they can use human tools in a humanoid form. No adaptation needed. If you're going full replace all humans in combat route you might as well go non-humanoid, but if you're doing hybrid it makes sense to keep to a standard form for logistical reasons.
 
tkioz said:
Simple reason, they can use human tools in a humanoid form. No adaptation needed. If you're going full replace all humans in combat route you might as well go non-humanoid, but if you're doing hybrid it makes sense to keep to a standard form for logistical reasons.
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That's what mecha-infested or mecha-changelings are for. :p
 
garlicpotato said:
The only really successful fic where Coil imprison's a Tinker is one where he tries to psychologically break Taylor down so she'll be more compliant. Even in that fic, she ends up running away. (Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the fic)
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I read that recently.... shit i can't remember the name either! it was either here or SB that I came across it, 'cause just went through all the Worm fics with a T+ rating on FFN and the equivalent on AO3....
 
For the star wars droids, you could specialize the b-1 b-2 battle droids as the main problem was they were too spread out in what they could do, so if you had them do civilian things such as maintenance, cleaning gang tags off the walls and basic city repair work... then you could have super battle droids and magnaguards be cheap filler units to guard your territory, maybe commando droids for scouting out and exploiting enemy weak points, you could then use mecha zerg as elite troops that should only be used in emergency situations, think a hidden card if you will...
 
Question: We know cards can be created by hand, maybe he even was distracted and create one in school, maybe art class or barebones (black and white) one during math. Ok he have the first card but here comes the question, can he exploit his power? Can he created the next card in, lets say Paint, and press printer buttons to have 9 copies of the same card? Maybe they wont work because tinker power require direct work done by a tinker? What about black and white cards and then filling them with colour?
 
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Just wondering but have I missed something? Whats his powers got to do with cards? Cause with what I've gathered they seem to be similar to fuinjitsu from naruto and that was overpowered
 
Jubjub115 said:
Just wondering but have I missed something? Whats his powers got to do with cards? Cause with what I've gathered they seem to be similar to fuinjitsu from naruto and that was overpowered
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One of the future tech trees, it will (at least to my knowledge) be creation of cards that existed in this universe. I was curious if the power can be used that way, or at least the second way due to him still tinkering on the cards, even if only applying some colours.
Edit1: Like how in YU-GI-OH! you have paper cards and some of the character can bring the effect/monster into the material/real world. My question was if Peter theoretically need to do all the ground work from zero every time or he can use PC, draw it as a image file, print a few copies and then fill them with colour, so his tinker power still consider it something he made even if he had done only 10% of the work.
 
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Stef said:
One of the future tech trees, it will (at least to my knowledge) be creation of cards that existed in this universe. I was curious if the power can be used that way, or at least the second way due to him still tinkering on the cards, even if only applying some colours.
Edit1: Like how in YU-GI-OH! you have paper cards and some of the character can bring the effect/monster into the material/real world. My question was if Peter theoretically need to do all the ground work from zero every time or he can use PC, draw it as a image file, print a few copies and then fill them with colour, so his tinker power still consider it something he made even if he had done only 10% of the work.
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Ok, that's good! Oh, and now I'm imagining leviathan challenging lung to a children's card game
 
tkioz said:
Simple reason, they can use human tools in a humanoid form. No adaptation needed. If you're going full replace all humans in combat route you might as well go non-humanoid, but if you're doing hybrid it makes sense to keep to a standard form for logistical reasons.
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That's true, but the mecha-zerg main power is their adaptability so I think I'll be playing more on that aspect of them.
saveralter said:
robot girlfirend, is it 2b or maybe from persona 3 aigis
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Not 2B sadly because I don't want to go through the same tech tress that the original quest went thtough, but Persona is an option.
Jubjub115 said:
For the star wars droids, you could specialize the b-1 b-2 battle droids as the main problem was they were too spread out in what they could do, so if you had them do civilian things such as maintenance, cleaning gang tags off the walls and basic city repair work... then you could have super battle droids and magnaguards be cheap filler units to guard your territory, maybe commando droids for scouting out and exploiting enemy weak points, you could then use mecha zerg as elite troops that should only be used in emergency situations, think a hidden card if you will...
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Mmm, that is an option. I'll think about it if I go into SW.
Stef said:
Question: We know cards can be created by hand, maybe he even was distracted and create one in school, maybe art class or barebones (black and white) one during math. Ok he have the first card but here comes the question, can he exploit his power? Can he created the next card in, lets say Paint, and press printer buttons to have 9 copies of the same card? Maybe they wont work because tinker power require direct work done by a tinker? What about black and white cards and then filling them with colour?
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Sadly no. Even if based on magical items, Peter's creations are still very much tinker tech. He can mass-produce them with the right tech tree, like Factorio, or even abusing the Mecha Zerg in creative ways, but he'll still need the fulll resources for each copy.
Jubjub115 said:
Just wondering but have I missed something? Whats his powers got to do with cards? Cause with what I've gathered they seem to be similar to fuinjitsu from naruto and that was overpowered
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They are talking about the spoilers for the next tree.
Sakura Cardcaptors
Lady Godiva said:
what's up with the trees? I think you meant 'tech'
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Tech Trees actually. At least that's how I see every new specialization.
Stef said:
Edit1: Like how in YU-GI-OH! you have paper cards and some of the character can bring the effect/monster into the material/real world. My question was if Peter theoretically need to do all the ground work from zero every time or he can use PC, draw it as a image file, print a few copies and then fill them with colour, so his tinker power still consider it something he made even if he had done only 10% of the work.
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Honestly if I went for YuGiOh the monsters wouldn't be anywhere near my priority list. The Millenium Items, and their amazing hologram technology would be the first things I'd build.

Heck, I'd go for it just to get a jet in the shape of a dragon. Kaiba has issues.
 
Poliamida said:
Not 2B sadly because I don't want to go through the same tech tress that the original quest went through, but Persona is an option.
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If only there was another cute, snarky android girl from a much-beloved 90s mecha anime set in a post-apocalypse/film noir setting.
Ofc I'm talking about muthafucking Dorothy from BIG O! She's the original mechanical best girl and nobody can convince me otherwise.
 
PoopyheadPiero said:
Factorio? Man that would be a sight... tho the billions upon billions of recources and lack of resources on tbe surface would make that difficult
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I don't think the resource gathering is the main selling point of Factorio. When it comes to resource gathering, power generation, transportation, and military, Factorio is neither amazing nor efficient. Factorio doesn't even give you blueprints for production facilities, you have to design them first. Factorio just gives you the components you could use to make a great factory.

The main attraction for Factorio would be its great potential for automation. With Factorio, you could make facilities that endlessly produce and refine materials autonomously. He could just dump the designs to Atlas and let them worry about facilities and improvements.
 
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