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Harry Potter and the Scabbard of Excalibur [AU]

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What places do you think our ring could be in besides the
house elf kitchens
With the house elf's
In the challis
In the challis room


Patronus for me

The reason why is that the Patronus pick is a one time pike that can't be changed and we might run in to a situation like what we were in with Bellatrix and have to pike our Patronus then and their and if we don't have enough then we will be stuck with a suboptimal one

The learning perks on the other hand can be piked at any time if we have the right amount of gnosis so we can just get them later after making sure we get a good Patronus
 
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Do people want to spend 50 gnosis on learning advancement, or do we want to spend 50 gnosis on a one time opportunity like patronus? I know patronus was one of the main reasons we saved up this much in the first place, but thrice great buffs make learning advancements a lot more efficient than normal.
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I'd say a learning advancement would be the most ideal as it would offer us tremendous benefits in a variety of ways along with massive power too. Mastery/Archmastery in astrology/ancient runes is going to be phenomenal and probably way more important than one single spell.
 
Did Helga Hufflepuff have anything to do with Herbology or am I miss remembering things

What do you think our dreams are about keeping in mind that not remembering them is a good thing apparently and what Neville dreams are (assuming he is not lying)
 
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Do people want to spend 50 gnosis on learning advancement, or do we want to spend 50 gnosis on a one time opportunity like patronus? I know patronus was one of the main reasons we saved up this much in the first place, but thrice great buffs make learning advancements a lot more efficient than normal.
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A one-time opportunity that's probably coming up pretty soon is us awakening/activating/bonding with Hufflepuff's Ring, assuming we can find it. I would guess that we'd likely get the chance to spend Gnosis to extract additional benefits from the ring when we first put it on, so spending a transcendent amount of Gnosis there could have some pretty amazing effects.
 
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Do people want to spend 50 gnosis on learning advancement, or do we want to spend 50 gnosis on a one time opportunity like patronus? I know patronus was one of the main reasons we saved up this much in the first place, but thrice great buffs make learning advancements a lot more efficient than normal.
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For my two cents, I'd like a really big spend to be some ability that's utterly incomparable and always useful, especially if it improves the odds of surviving bad situations, or something like the perks we've picked up for improving learning speed and skill caps, but even more so. Stuff that has both immediate utility and accelerating returns is nice. (We just have to survive long enough for it to matter.)
 
Snowdrop said:
What places do you think our ring could be in besides the
house elf kitchens
With the house elf's
In the challis
In the challis room


Patronus for me

The reason why is that the Patronus pick is a one time pike that can't be changed and we might run in to a situation like what we were in with Bellatrix and have to pike our Patronus then and their and if we don't have enough then we will be stuck with a suboptimal one

The learning perks on the other hand can be piked at any time if we have the right amount of gnosis so we can just get them later after making sure we get a good Patronus
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We had an Astrology idea earlier.

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So let's talk about the Rings and the missing Chosen.

Only Hufflepuff ring left to go, but we still need to get the other two rings to the Heir and Champion. How much time do we have until the Convocation? If we dropped the coursework and studies next turn we might have time to get all the things done with Neville.

I wonder if our combined Astrology levels are enough to pull off something like using the Star of the Chosen to mark out the others in the map.

The Hufflepuff ring has no leads. We will have to talk to the Friar and the inner circle members. Investigate the cup. Maybe ask the House-elves as well?
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They didn't teach specific subjects I think. Helga brought a lot of people from different backgrounds to help build and teach in Hogwarts.
 
The thing is, having an extremely rare and powerful animagus form has a lot of interesting implications. It also likely has good news for the power of our patronus charm, which gets a big boost with our house blessing. Patronus seems like more of an investment with a bigger payout, but setting our foundations higher would lead to better upgrades in the near future.

In a meta sense, I find patronus more interesting, but advancing our fields would probably have better upgrade blurbs.
 
Incidentally, a comment more about last chapter than this most recent one. We made several decisions that really paid off against the bandaged guy. The dueling lessons and the Cloak carried us through. Without them we'd have been disabled or killed.

It's a good lesson; survivability is always a good investment.
 
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Who every made the character page forgot the I remember this part

Some one should change that I can't

I... I REMEMBER THIS.
The shade remembers getting harry getting a glass of water ?
If he is talking about being at Hogwarts or somethin else that is a odd way of saying it though it's not impossable it's does mean something else
Also wired for a person who meant to go back in time to say that if you think about it
This sounds like he is at least a bit surprised about being hear at this moment
Point for time traveling Harry or Geist though

HARRY... POTTER. I AM NOT THE DEATH'S VOICE, MAKE NO SPEAR OF TERROR IN YOUR HANDS, AND IN NEITHER SENSE. ALL THAT IS EASILY FOOLED AND CUDDLY DANCES IN ITS RIGHT PLACE AND REMAINS AS CRYSTALS, BUT THERE ARE CHILDREN STILL LIVING WHO KNOW OF THIS HOLE DUG INTO THE WELL OF THE ROOTS. UNFORTUNATE BUT NECESSARY. DECIPHER MY RUNES, FOR THEY ARE YOUR ENTIRE WORLD BETWEEN NOW AND FOREVER.

If this is Harry though wired he would call him self that
Mabey he is trying to hide the fact he is Harry or Geist from the future

The fact he felt the need to clarify that makes me think that we are likely to meet death at some point
This makes it sound like death will not our ally

Is the hole dug in to the root the time travel or method of them being hear if it's not time travel
The way they talk about it makes it seam like they are talking about something present or happening their and now
Other people know about the time travel or method they are using to talk to use and this is bad so some or all of our enemies know this is happening
And that is preferable to them not getting to talk to use now and possibly interact with us latter
I wonder if other people both our enemies and perhaps other neutral(to us) factions used this hole to time travel or to communicate with people they would not be normally able to

Mabey this is not harry then since that is a wired way to say that if the ruins are ruins harry made in the future though it could be that harry is trying to hide his identity
Not sure about time travelling harry now
If this is from the From You, Six Thousand Years Ago perk and the name of the perk is a reference to AOT then this could be our Ymir not use then with the ruins being their ruins not ours
The not having dreams thing could be from them then or this shade could be not harry but the lack of dreams could be a gift from future harry or a request future harry is making of this shade
It does not say we need to know it's ruins right now just that we need to learn them at some point thought sooner would probably be better

I wonder if we got this due to picking From You, Six Thousand Years Ago perk or if we were always going to see this shade because this seams to important t be the resalt of piking a house ferity perk
 
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So let's talk about the Rings and the missing Chosen.

Only Hufflepuff ring left to go, but we still need to get the other two rings to the Heir and Champion. How much time do we have until the Convocation? If we dropped the coursework and studies next turn we might have time to get all the things done with Neville.

I wonder if our combined Astrology levels are enough to pull off something like using the Star of the Chosen to mark out the others in the map.

The Hufflepuff ring has no leads. We will have to talk to the Friar and the inner circle members. Investigate the cup. Maybe ask the House-elves as well?

I don't think the founder heirs and the chosen ones of the chosen star are the same thing so even if we could track who is under the chosen star it would not help us

Picking a Patronus is a one time thing we can pick learning perks anytime as long as we save enough Gnosis so I think we should pike a good Patronus or the best perk we can from getting the Hufflepuff ring then get the learning perk

ASK FORGIVNESS FOR USING THE DARK LORDS NAME OCTARINESHRIKE
 
Snowdrop said:
So let's talk about the Rings and the missing Chosen.

Only Hufflepuff ring left to go, but we still need to get the other two rings to the Heir and Champion. How much time do we have until the Convocation? If we dropped the coursework and studies next turn we might have time to get all the things done with Neville.

I wonder if our combined Astrology levels are enough to pull off something like using the Star of the Chosen to mark out the others in the map.

The Hufflepuff ring has no leads. We will have to talk to the Friar and the inner circle members. Investigate the cup. Maybe ask the House-elves as well?

I don't think the founder heirs and the chosen ones of the chosen star are the same thing so even if we could track who is under the chosen star it would not help us

Picking a Patronus is a one time thing we can pick learning perks anytime as long as we save enough Gnosis so I think we should pike a good Patronus or the best perk we can from getting the Hufflepuff ring then get the learning perk

ASK FORGIVNESS FOR USING THE DARK LORDS NAME OCTARINESHRIKE
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I'm sorry ok? It's always so utterly long between my posts I keep forgetting. If you could enhance my brain through the internet and asked me to take your mark I'd have to very seriously consider it because I am that level of careless idiot.
 
Sorry did not mean to sound rude

Was just trying to make sure you did not miss that part of my post and cost us gnosis

Google tells me The Dark Lord name means theft of death

I don't think The Dark Lord is the voice of death (Though I could defiantly be wrong about that) if I remember correctly in the beginning of the quest we had the option to make a deal with death for harry brother but chose not to

That Combined with the powers of the deathly hallows and what the shade said make me think death is real in this quest and that was not just flavour text and we are going to met him and probably fight him
 
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Snowdrop said:
Sorry did not mean to sound rude

Was just trying to make sure you did not miss that part of my post and cost us gnosis

Google tells me The Dark Lord name means theft of death

I don't think The Dark Lord is the voice of death (Though I could defiantly be wrong about that) if I remember correctly in the beginning of the quest we had the option to make a deal with death for harry brother but chose not to

That Combined with the powers of the deathly hallows and what the shade said make me think death is real in this quest and that was not just flavour text and we are going to met him and probably fight him
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Grey and bold the name if you want the post to be gnosis generating.

Source Update = The Devil's Name
A crappy anagram and shorthand for the Italian phrase, 'Voce del Morte,' although it seems most people have run with a more French interpretation because Britishmen are naturally predisposed to hating the French.
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Even if the shade was talking about The Dark Lord I think their is a reasonable chance death is a real being that we will meat at least

Thanks about telling me about the graying the name thing funny given what I did said a bit ago

I Snowdrop humbly beg the greatest and most feared of Dark Lords to forgive my foolish mistake I swear on my first child's life it will not happen again
 
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Snowdrop said:
Even if the shade was talking about The Dark Lord I think their is a reasonable chance death is a real being that we will meat at least

Thanks about telling me about the graying the name thing funny given what I did said a bit ago

I Snowdrop humbly beg the greatest and most feared of Dark Lords to forgive my foolish mistake I swear on my first child's life it will not happen again
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I don't know if you actually need to apologize, the post just doesn't generate gnosis as opposed to actually losing gnosis for using the name.

And furthermore, all uses of His acceptable epithets (see this paragraph,) must be capitalized, bolded, and written out using the color gray, otherwise, your post will not qualify to receive any Gnosis or Gnosis Modifier.
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Did not know that thanks again

For the people who want to pike secret of heaven even if we get that right now we would be unable to fly because the secret of heaven is only one part of what we need to fly

[ ] Secret of Heaven [12 Gnosis] - A secret that Geist is not able to speak of, as part of his geas. As such, all you know is that it exists somewhere in the Chamber of Secrets and that you can potentially locate it, but not where it is, nor what it does. How excitingly curious.

All that Geist was able to tell you was that using this secret, among other things,
 
Snowdrop said:
Did not know that thanks again

For the people who want to pike secret of heaven even if we get that right now we would be unable to fly because that secret of heaven is only one part of what we need to fly

[ ] Secret of Heaven [12 Gnosis] - A secret that Geist is not able to speak of, as part of his geas. As such, all you know is that it exists somewhere in the Chamber of Secrets and that you can potentially locate it, but not where it is, nor what it does. How excitingly curious.

All that Geist was able to tell you was that using this secret, among other things,
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I parsed that as it's a mystery box that does several things, flight among them. Here's how Birdsie described it on Discord.

Word of Birdsie from Discord:
It's a mystery box that, among other things of its many potential functions, enables personal flight.
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...A PEERLESS ONE ROSE FROM ASHES OF BRONZE AND LIGHTNING, THE WORLD-CARRIER'S VILE PROGENY FROM HIS LAND, WHO CARRIED THE SKY ON BRANCHES OF ARBOUR. HIS WILL MAKES AND UNMAKES EVERYTHING IN YOUR WORLD, BETWEEN NOW AND FOREVER, BUT NOT FOREVER. AERMORA MEANS "TREE," DO YOU ACKNOWLEDGE? THE GODDESS EATS THE CITY UNDER THE SEA AND THE PROGENY BREEDS, AND THE UNFORGIVEN PROGENY BECOMES ONL AND SUCH THINGS. THE VISIONS ABIDE AND PASS AS THE CIRCLES MAKE. ALL IS COMING TO PASS AS THE ANCIENTS PREDICTED. THEY DANCED IN THE DARKNESS. YOU ARE GOING TO HATCH SOON.

Is the bronze that special type of bronze like in that chamber with the snake statues

Did the world carriers children Carrie the sky to (Mabey this refires to Star writing )

So the world carriers power will not be last forever and this appears to not be a natural thing given the forever but not forever part is he one of our future opponents I wonder will we be the ones to not make that forever

This is a wired thing to say especially because he has been using the normal words for thing so far is knowing the meaning of that word important is this a code word or password
Mabey a varication code like the one Geist used with Bella

I don't think this is saying a goddess sunk Atlantice since it's called the city under the sea meaning it's already sunk when the goddess eats it

Everything going as the ancients predicted is not good for us since we at least currently are on the side of the guardians or at least are being supported by them

Can't believe I forgot this but this comes right after I remember this

RULER OF HOMELANDS; A LORD OF VESSELS. A LORD OF VESSELS? WHAT. NO...

This strongly implies that the shade was surprised by us being the Lord of Vessels/Lord of Hufflepuff and even seams not to be happy about it

But weirdly he talks about hatching at the end

Is him and the possibly guardian from Neville's dreams just using similar terminology and not refiring to the same thing

To the shade hatching could mean finding and deciphering their ruins while the guardian means us finding the rings and matching them to their respective heirs

The shade said not to trust the ancients and due to game mechanics we know the guardians are at least supporting us

If my theory about Neville being the ancients chosen one with us being the guardians chosen one then use trusting Neville could be use going agents the advice of the specter and trusting the ancients

Thou in saying that it's not like we have the time to try to research what is happening in quest harry only has one more turn left before the year is out

And we are with out doubt the Lord of Hufflepuff it's hard to believe getting the ring would be a trap so I'm probable being paranoid

YOU WILL DISAPPEAR AT CONVOCATION IF YOU DO NOT ACT. IF YOU DO NOT HATCH, YOU HAVE A CIRCLE AT MOST. TRUST THE GUARDIANS, DO NOT TRUST THE ANCIENTS

Well this is farther proof that Neville is right about needing to find the hairs quickly

Wonder what he means by us having a cercal at most, Does he mean a cercal of friends given being lord of Hufflepuff is a leader position

The trust the guardians not the ancients is a bit supported by the guardians supporting us thought supporting us does not mean the are the good guys nessarily they could be planning to just use us or they could legitim be on our side but still be evil
 
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Finally got to read the chapter. Helped me relax after a long, annoying day. Im curious about what options we get at 50....

Hopefully they break things in entertaining ways.

[X] Plan Keep Saving!!!
 
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Combinatorics time:

So I spent a lot of time doing combinatorics with the 2 and 3 option plans, along with the 7 Gnosis 4 option plan and the 37 gnosis one.

My Conclusion is like this.

Save - The Book of Dark Law is good combat prep for convocation assuming we don't have to use anything we learned in public/it doesn't get recognized as Dark Arts or whatever. Assuming stuff in the Book of Dark Law is apparent to witnesses we may as well hope our 50 Gnosis Training Transcendence solves the problem. The Old Wand helps with Dark Arts deniability/future training opportunities. The Alchemy Primer also has good prospects in conjunction with the Book of Dark Law if it has any new Dark Potions in it somehow. If it doesn't it's still a chance to learn Alchemy Runes.

Convocation Value: *** to ****(Average to above average depending on if you Take the Alchemy Primer or the Old Wand for Deniable operations)
Long Term Value: ****(Above Average)

2 gnosis - It's incredibly cheap, still lets us get a massive breakthrough next turn, and we get a lot of Bang for our buck(Alchemy Primer/Old Wand/Book of Dark Law)

Convocation Value: ****(Above Average)
Long Term Value: ****(Above Average)

7 Gnosis - Why get 3 when you can get 4? Adding Impossible Perfection to the 2 Gnosis Plan Seems like it would add a notable amount of growth opportunities. Like if there's Dark Astrology in the book of Dark Law.

Convocation Value: ****(Above Average)
Long Term Value: *****(High)

9 Gnosis(Old Wand/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Ocean): Besides the Subterfuge options and Dark Arts, a lead on Atlantis seems more valuable than the combination of Alchemy Primer and Impossible Perfection. Bonus points if the Secret of Ocean has other applications like Secret of Heaven. Like, everything with secret of Ocean has 6 stars of long term potential by default IMO.

Convocation Value: ****(Above Average)
Long Term Value: ******(Immense)

12 Gnosis: The Book of Dark Law and Secret of Heaven provides considerable combat options for the convocation regardless of if we're fighting in public or not, gives us an obscure/outside context power future breakthroughs can build on, etc. There could also be Dark Astrological Synergy.

Convocation Value: ****(Above Average)
Long Term Value: ***** or ****** I'm not entirely sure. Either way the potential probably easier to get with Secret of Heaven than Secret of Ocean

14 Gnosis: The Subterfuge and Training options from adding the Old Wand to the 12 Gnosis Plan leads to what's probably the greatest balance of price and value in all the 2-3-couple of 4's space of plans. We still get a 30 Gnosis breakthrough next action vote too. Like, I could totally live with a 14+30 as opposed to a 50 if it gives us unique resources that help at convocation. Especially if the 30 is a Trismegistus Training Breakthrough and therefore a higher gnosis value due to Thrice-Great-Sovereign.

Convocation Value: ****(Above Average)
Long Term Value: ****** (Immense, the Training opportunities and Deniable operations prospects make this narrowly squeak into 6 Stars)

21 - If this exceeds the value of the 14 gnosis plan, it is by a razor's margin. Old Wand or Book of Dark Law depending on your preference, The Secret of Heaven for convocation combat resources and growth potential, and the Secret of Ocean for Atlantis and possibly other things.

Convocation Value: ****(Above Average)
Long Term Value: ******(Immense by a clearer margin than the 14 gnosis plan)

The More Expensive Plans have been found wanting

Notes Dump For any curious parties in spoiler below, in the meantime I'm going to bed.

[x]Plan Power Begets Power
-[x]Old Wand
-[x]Secret of Heaven
-[x]Book of Dark Law

* - N/A, Dubious
** - Below Average
*** - Average
**** - Above Average
***** - High
****** - Immense
******* - Heaven Shattering

0: (Alchemy Primer or Old Wand) and Book of Dark law
2: Alchemy Primer and Old Wand and Book of Dark law(Beats 0)
4: Book of Dark Law and Secret of Earth(Loses to 2)
6: Alchemy Primer and Book of Dark Law and Secret of Earth(Ties with 2)
7: Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law(Beats 2)
9: Old Wand/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Ocean (Beats 7)
11: Blood Of Slytherin/Secret of Earth(Loses to 9)
12: Book of Dark Law and Secret of Heaven(Beats 9)
13: Book Of Dark Law and Secret of Ocean and Secret of Earth(Loses to 12)
14: Old Wand and Book of Dark Law and Secret of Heaven(Beats 12)
16: Book of Dark Law/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean(Loses to 14)
18: Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Earth(Loses to 14)
19: Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean(Loses to 14)
20: Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(Loses to 14)
21: Old Wand or Book of Dark Law/ Secret of Ocean/Secret of Heaven(Might slightly exceed 14 Depending on if you take Old Wand or Book of Dark Law?)
25: Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(Loses to 14 or 21)
28:Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean(Loses to 14 or 21)
37:Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(Loses to 14 or 21)
0 Gnosis Plans:

My Favorites: Alchemy Primer/Book of Dark Law, Old Wand/Book of Dark Law

Old Wand/Alchemy Primer - Insurance Policy in the event of Hogwarts Expulsion/Wand Destruction. Ability to Avoid the Trace during the summer. Wand is tunable to ancient runes? Also it teaches us Alchemical Runes if we haven't already learned them. Convocation Value:** ,Long Term Value:***

Old Wand/Impossible Perfection - An Astrological Plot hook with the intrigue options the old Wand Provides. Convocation Value:*, Long Term Value: ***

Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection - Alchemical Runes if we haven't already learned them and an Astrological Plot Hook. Convocation Value: *, Long Term Value: ****

Old Wand/Book of Dark Law - Intrigue options from the Old Wand and whatever the Book of Dark Law gives us for studying it. There could be new demon types in there, new Dark Potions, etc. It's probably a Dark Charms/Transfiguration text mostly. Though Dark Astrology is potentially possible. Convocation Value:****, the Old Wand may help if we're forced to use Dark Arts in public with the right plan I dunno.
Long Term Value: ****

Alchemy Primer/Book of Dark Law - Alchemy runes and Dark Substances if there are any in this book is synergistic. Convocation Value: ***, Long Term Value: ****

Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law - If there's Dark Astrology in there that can help us research Impossible Perfection they synergize. Convocation Value: ***, Long Term Value: *****

2 Gnosis Plans:

My Favorite: Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Book of Dark Law

Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection(2 Gnosis) - Intrigue options from a second wand, Alchemy Runes, and an Astrological Plot Hook Convocation Value:**, Long Term Value: ****


Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Book of Dark Law(2 Gnosis) - Dark Arts, Intrigue options, and Alchemy Runes. There's definitely an improvement here valuewise over Old Wand/Book of Dark Law but it's not large enough to merit a whole extra star. Convocation Value - ****, Long Term Value: ****

Old Wand/Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law(2 Gnosis) - The Old Wand doesn't do enough for the long term value but it boosts the convocation value. Convocation Value - ****, Long Term Value: *****

Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law(2 Gnosis) - I am very tempted to give 6 stars to long term value here for the synergy prospects of Alchemy Runes, Dark Potions, and the Astrology Plot Hook combined with the possibility of applying Dark Astrology to researching the Diamond. If there's not Dark Potions or Dark Astrological material the long term value goes down. Convocation Value - ***, Long Term Value - ******


4 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Book of Dark Law/Secret of Earth

Old Wand/Secret of Earth(4 Gnosis) - A Spare wand and the Magiscience principle used to make Horcruxes. I'm pessimistic about the long term value of this and the use of this in convocation. Convocation Value - *, Long term Value - **
Alchemy Primer/Secret of Earth(4 Gnosis) - We may be able to make better Horcruxes with this? Not enough for 5 stars long term. Convocation Value - *, Long Term Value - ****
Impossible Perfection/Secret of Earth(4 Gnosis) - Convocation Value - *, Long Term Value - ****


Book of Dark Law/Secret of Earth(4 Gnosis) - The only one of these plans that doesn't look like trash. Convocation Value - ***, Long Term Value - ****

6 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Alchemy Primer and Book of Dark Law and Secret of Earth

Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Secret of Earth(6 Gnosis) - Alchemy RUnes, Intrigue, and the Magiscience principle behind Horcruxes. I don't think this brings much to the table compared to Old Wand/Alchemy Primer but its enough for a 4th long term star Convocation Value **, Long Term Value = ****
Old Wand/Impossible Perfection/Secret of Earth(6 Gnosis) - Utter Trash. Convocation Value *, Long term Value ****
Old Wand/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Earth(6 Gnosis)- This isn't enough to justify the extra gnosis IMO. Stick with Old Wand/Book of Dark Law. Convocation Value - ****, Long Term Value - ****
Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection/Secret of Earth(6 Gnosis) - Trash. Convocation Value *, Long Term Value ****
Alchemy Primer/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Earth(6 Gnosis) - The Alchemy Runes+Dark Substances synergy and the potential to make better horcruxes using alchemy runes maybe is enough to get this 5 long term stars. Convocation Value - ***, Long Term Value - *****
Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Earth(6 Gnosis) - This is not enough for 6 stars of long term value. Convocation value ***, Long Term Value *****

7 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law

Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law(7 Gnosis)- Alchemy Runes, a spare wand, a plot hook, and Dark Arts Literature. Not sure if this is worth 6 in the long term though. Convocation Value ****, Long Term Value *****
Old Wand/Blood of Slytherin(7 Gnosis) - Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ***
Old Wand/Secret of Ocean(7 Gnosis) - Convocation Value *, Long Term Value ******
Alchemy Primer/Blood of Slytherin(7 Gnosis) - Synergistic from an Alchemy Standpoint but limited value at the convocation. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value *****
Alchemy Primer/Secret of Ocean(7 Gnosis) - Maybe if Secret of Ocean has other applications? Convocation Value *, Long Term Value ******
Impossible Perfection/Blood of Slytherin(7 Gnosis) - Convocation Value *, Long Term Value *****
Impossible Perfection/Secret of Ocean(7 Gnosis) - An all in long term option. Convocation Value *, Long Term Value ******
Book of Dark Law/Blood of Slytherin(7 Gnosis) - Maybe helpful depending on if we learn any dark potions in there that could use Slytherin's Blood? Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value - ****
Book of Dark Law/Secret of Ocean(7 Gnosis) - Now we're getting Somewhere. Probably inferior to the 4 pick though. Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******

9 Gnosis Plans:

Favorites
Old Wand/Book of Dark Law/(Blood of Slytherin for Short term, Secret of Ocean for Long Term)

Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Blood of Slytherin(9 Gnosis) - The Old Wand is Alchemy/Potions optimized, the Book teaches Alchemy RUnes, and the Blood of Slytherin Provides a high end reagent. A synergistic set. Not sure this is 6 long term stars though I'm going to say 6. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ******
Old Wand/Impossible Perfection/Blood Of Slytherin(9 Gnosis) - Why would you pick this? Convocation value *, Long Term Value *****
Old Wand/Book of Dark Law/Blood Of Slytherin(9 Gnosis) - Combat and Medical Resources. Excellent Convocation prep. Convocation Value *****, Long Term Value *****
Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Secret of Ocean(9 Gnosis) - Alchemy Runes, a lead on atlantis and maybe other things, and a spare wand optimized for Alchemy. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ******
Old Wand/Impossible Perfection/Secret of Ocean(9 Gnosis) - Dubious Convocation value but immense long term value. Convocation Value *, Long Term Value ******
Old Wand/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Ocean(9 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ****, Long Term Value ******
Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection/Blood of Slytherin(9 Gnosis) - Convocation Value **, Long Term Value *****
Alchemy Primer/Book of Dark Law/Blood of Slytherin(9 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection/Secret of Ocean(9 Gnosis) - Convocation Value *, Long Term Value ******
Alchemy Primer/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Ocean(9 Gnosis) - Convocaton Value ***, Long Term Value ******
Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law/Blood Of Slytherin(9 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Ocean(9 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******

11 Gnosis Plans:

My Favorite: Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Earth

Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(11 Gnosis) - This is a very long term option it seems like. The Long Term Value however is enormous. Convocation Value *, Long Term Value - ******
Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Earth(11 Gnosis) - Maybe we could use this to pull a Dark Empire, make a spare body we can use to resurrect? The Blood also may come in handy in convocation aftermath Convocation value: **, Long Term Value - *****

12 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Alchemy Primer or Book of Dark Law+Secret of Heaven.

ALchemy Primer/Secret of Heaven(12 Gnosis) - Alchemy Runes and a Mystery Box we can use for a bunch of things. Like Flight. Convocation Value - ***, Long Term Value - *****
Old Wand/Secret of Heaven(12 Gnosis) - I have no idea what to say about this one. Deniable Dark Arts Usage+Flight? Convocation Value - ***, Long Term Value ****
Impossible Perfection/Secret of Heaven(12 Gnosis) - There could be a synergy here. Convocation value ***, Long Term Value - ******
Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven(12 Gnosis) - There could be dark Astrological Synergy here. Who knows. Convocation Value ****, Long Term Value - ******

13 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Book of Dark Law/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth

Old Wand/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Earth(13 Gnosis) - Clone Resurrection and Post convocation healing combined with Intrigue Options. I'm tempted to give this 6 long term stars for the training benefits the Old Wand provides but I'm not sure its that much of an improvement. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value *****

Old Wand/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(13 Gnosis) - The Old Wand doesn't seem like enough added value to justify more stars here. Convocation *, Long Term ******

Alchemy Primer/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Earth(13 Gnosis) - The Dark Empire Plan in all its glory. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ******
Alchemy Primer/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(13 Gnosis) - Alchemy Runes, a finding things secret usable to find Atlantis, and a secret usable to make Horcruxes. Convocation Value *, Long Term Value ******
Book of Dark Law/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Earth(13 Gnosis) - Dark Empire with more combat options. Potential Dark Arts Synergies. Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****(maybe 6)

Book of Dark Law/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(13 Gnosis) - Combat, an Atlantis hook and maybe more, combined with the secret to horcruxes and maybe more. Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******

Impossible Perfection/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Earth(13 Gnosis) - Impossible Perfection synergizes poorly but maybe you want to invest in Astrology too. Convocation Value **, Long Term Vaue ******

Impossible Perfection/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(13 Gnosis) - I don't think the long term value of this is enough to be heavenshattering. Convocation Value *, Long Term Value ******

14 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Old Wand/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven

Blood Of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean(14 Gnosis) - Not worth it at this gnosis cost. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ******
Old Wand/Alchemy Primer/Secret of Heaven(14 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ****
Old Wand/Impossible Perfection/Secret of Heaven(14 Gnosis) - If there's synergy between Impossible Perfection and Secret of Heaven this is a 5 long term. Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Old Wand/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven(14 Gnosis) - I like this one. Convocation Value ****, Long Term Value *****
Alchemy Primer/Impossible Perfection/Secret of Heaven(14 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Alchemy Primer/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven(14 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Impossible Perfection/Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven(14 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****


16 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Book of Dark Law/Blood Of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean

Old Wand/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean(16 Gnosis) - Alchemy wand with Alchemy reagent, combined with Atlantis lead. Not bad. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ******

Secret of Heaven/Secret of Earth(16 Gnosis) - If there's a synergy this could be cool. Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****

Alchemy Primer/Blood Of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean(16 Gnosis) - Basically the same as Old Wand/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ******

Book of Dark Law/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean(16 Gnosis) - Connvocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******

Impossible Perfection/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean(16 Gnosis) - Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ******


18 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Earth

Old Wand/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Earth(18 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Alchemy Primer/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Earth(18 Gnosis) - This seems like it'd lead to some kind of Xianxia related Epiphany. Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******
Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Earth(18 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ****, Long Term Value *****
Impossible Perfection/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Earth(18 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****


19 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite: Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean

Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean(19 Gnosis) - It's a thing. I don't see why you'd take it. It's eh compared to the other combo's I've looked at. Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******
Blood Of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven(19 Gnosis) - This isn't worth it at 19 gnosis. Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****

20 Gnosis Plans:

Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(20 Gnosis) - Why would you take this at 20 gnosis? Convocation Value **, Long term Value ******

21 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite Plans: (Old Wand or Book of Dark Law)/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean,

Old Wand/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven(21 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Old Wand/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean(21 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******
Alchemy Primer/Blood Of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven(21 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Alchemy Primer/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean(21 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******
Book of Dark Law/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven(21 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ****, Long Term Value *****
Book of Dark Law/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean(21 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ****, Long Term Value ******
Impossible Perfection/Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven(21 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value *****
Impossible Perfection/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean(21 Gnosis) - Convocation Value ***, Long Term Value ******

25 Gnosis Plans:

Favorite - Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth

Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(25 Gnosis) - This is probably a 7 if anything is long term. Convocation value questionable though. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value *******
Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Earth(25 Gnosis) - I have no idea why you'd take this at 25 gnosis(Convocation value **, Long Term Value *****)

28 Gnosis Plans:


Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean(28 Gnosis) - At this value we can't afford to be trash from a convocation standpont. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value ******

37 Gnosis Plans:

Blood of Slytherin/Secret of Heaven/Secret of Ocean/Secret of Earth(37 Gnosis) - No significant convocation value, though it's probably a 7 long term if anything is. Don't take this. Convocation Value **, Long Term Value *******
 
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