Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

More specifically, she's more dependant on Lelouch than would normally be expected.
And he's more protective, which means she'd be stupid to try anything like that.

She probably depends more on Sayoko for the day to day things, really.

And again, I think my other reasoning stands - if Nunnally willingly contracts with C.C., then Lelouch would have to have really damn good reason to do anything bad to C.C. because otherwise he would very much anger the person he cares about most.
 
She runs that risk no matter what. The Britannian factions that know about her will stop at nothing to track her down, and she has no resources of her own. Britannia has Dragonblooded and Geass users at their disposal. Allying with an Exalted who is against Britannia is likely a very good way for her to avoid getting captured again. Finding a suitable candidate in that climate who is powerful enough to keep her safe isn't that easy.
Allying with an Exalt who is against Britannia is a good idea. Allying with an Exalt who is against Britannia after pissing them off is not. And C.C. is not stupid.
Also, I would suspect the Sidereals would eventually come looking for her and she knows it. They may not be her allies, but she plays a role in their plans and they would very likely track her down eventually if she was out of contact for too long - they might not care about her being in some experiment, but they wouldn't leave her locked way for eternity.
This seems a little reaching. Unless she's playing an active role in their plans, I doubt they'd care- she's not the only Code Bearer around, and compared to Exalts (even DB's), Geass users are pretty weak and overly specific in their capabilities.
I would think that Lelouch would accept Nunnally's decision, even if he didn't like it, and unless he really did have reason to suspect mind control (he'd probably at least check, but he wouldn't automatically assume it) he'd let C.C. be or even work with her to ensure Nunnally's safety. Nunnally would probably be very pissed with him if he tried to BAD END C.C. without damn good reason, and he'd know it. Nunnally, above all others, is one of the few people whose opinion of him that he actually cares about beyond how it affects their usefulness to his plans. C.C. had actually observed them as children, so she knows that about his personality.
Lelouch definitely would look into Geass thoroughly if Nunally contracted. He'd check the libraries of Hell, ask demons, and so on- nothing is going too far for his sister. And as you pointed out, C.C. would know that. And whilst she might not recognise his specific Exalt type, she'd be an idiot if she underestimated the ability of Exalts in general to find stuff out.
She was content in canon, that isn't necessarily the case here - Nunnally is already worried that something has happened, and as I said I think her current behavior is her just pretending everything is fine. When Lelouch starts disappearing for days at a time (trips to Hell, generally running his army, etc.) she is probably going to worry more. C.C. could simply make the offer of a contract in exchange for what she knows.
She didn't worry about him vanishing to lead the Black Knights in canon- and whilst she does seem to have some sense of the situation being different here, there are plenty of ways for Lelouch to ease that worry. Telling her the truth, or acting perfectly normally for the next few weeks so she thinks she was imagining things or that it's not an important change or something, for example. Also, remember that Nunnally has good perception/people reading skills that seem to be enhanced here; it's likely she'd pick up on C.C. having an ulterior motive.
Also, I think Nunnally is more suitable than you think she is. Her being crippled is actually somewhat of a boon to C.C. because it makes things easier on her in some ways. She had very little capacity to control Lelouch, but Nunnally is dependent on other people to a much greater degree. She would have to take a more active hand in helping Nunnally do whatever it is she was wanting to do, but that's not really a big deal.
Being crippled means she can't go around using her Geass easily. And if C.C. starts trundling her around so she can use it, you'd better believe that Lelouch would take a very close interest in her.

Also, you still haven't explained why C.C. would pick Nunnally over the far easier and more plentiful targets she could find wandering around a Ghetto or something.

Basically, whilst I agree it's possible that C.C. might target Nunnally for a contract, I find it rather unlikely given the risks and complications involved and how easily she could avoid those simply by picking someone else. And there are plenty of ways to prevent it (Demonic Spiders lurking intangibly around Nunnally at all times, for example).
 
Last edited:
What's a Getimian Exaltation? I though it was just Solar-Lunar-Sidereal-Abyssal-Infernal?
There's also Dragonblooded, the footsoldiers, and the Alchelmicals, the original prototypes developed by Autochtun.

And as the others have said, there have been three more added in for 3e, which still hasn't been released yet afaik. Liminals are the re-animated dead. Someone tries to bring the dead back to life, one of the few true impossibilities in Creation, and the result is a new soul inhabiting the body, blessed with power from 'The Dark Mother.' Getimian are anti-Sidereals, sort of. They have been described to be born from 'still born destinies' and seem to be tied to yin and yang in someone. Then there are Exigents, special exalts of a particular god. Because the god in question isn't one of the Incarnae, it is very likely the patron god will die in the Exigent's creation, so these guys are pretty rare.
 
Last edited:
Allying with an Exalt who is against Britannia is a good idea. Allying with an Exalt who against Britannia after pissing them off is not. And C.C. is not stupid.

If you've done something sufficient to piss him off enough to be an enemy, sure. But giving Nunnally a Geass wouldn't really be enough to do that, I'd think. Especially if it gave her the ability to see again. Lelouch isn't some kind of irrational psychopath - even if he's angry, he's not going to immediately go to the solution of eternally imprisoning C.C. unless she does something really bad.

This seems a little reaching. Unless she's playing an active role in their plans, I doubt they'd care- she's not the only Code Bearer around,

The Siddies care enough that C.C. apparently has to file paperwork to allow for a replacement. They don't likely care if she's being experimented on for a few years, but if she's out of contact for decades or centuries I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to send someone to check up on her. They might not, I just find it unlikely they wouldn't given that she's a person of interest to them.

and compared to Exalts (even DB's), Geass users are pretty weak and overly specific in their capabilities.

I wouldn't underestimate Geass users. Even if their abilities are specific and the users themselves are mortal, the actual abilities can be very strong and with few exceptions Geass can be spammed.

Lelouch definitely would look into Geass thoroughly if Nunally contracted. He'd check the libraries of Hell, ask demons, and so on- nothing is going too far for his sister. And as you pointed out, C.C. would know that. And whilst she might not recognise his specific Exalt type, she'd be an idiot if she underestimated the ability of Exalts in general to find stuff out.

And what would he find out that would be so dangerous to her?

Lelouch: "You want to make my sister immortal?"
C.C.: "That is what would happen, so yes."
Lelouch: "Well then, carry on."

Once Lelouch finds out that his potential lifespan is vastly extended, knowing that he could make his sister live longer would probably appeal to him.

Being crippled means she can't go around using her Geass easily. And if C.C. starts trundling her around so she can use it, you'd better believe that Lelouch would take a very close interest in her.

Unless C.C. starts forcibly taking Nunnally out, then again I suspect that Lelouch will begrudgingly accept his sister's decisions. He would take greater interest in what's going on with Nunnally and C.C., but as long as C.C. isn't doing anything to hurt Nunnally then she wouldn't have to worry too much. And hell, just like in canon she would refuse to take Nunnally anywhere if she thought it was too dangerous - remember when she tried to stop Lelouch from going out at gunpoint?

Also, you still haven't explained why C.C. would pick Nunnally over the far easier and more plentiful targets she could find wandering around a Ghetto or something.

Basically, whilst I agree it's possible that C.C. might target Nunnally for a contract, I find it rather unlikely given the risks and complications involved and how easily she could avoid those simply by picking someone else. And there are plenty of ways to prevent it (Demonic Spiders lurking intangibly around Nunnally at all times, for example).

Random targets in the ghetto who have nothing in the way of resources and whose personalities she doesn't know much about? She's not going to choose someone randomly, especially after Mao. Nunnally isn't necessarily a 100% ideal target, but I imagine she will come to mind as a strong candidate for consideration.

Also, we don't have enough reason IC to have Lelouch try to stop C.C. from making a contract by having the Anuhles stop her. He knows C.C. is alive, but that's it. He's got no reason to suspect she knows who he is, much less her having any interest in him or his sister. The orders the Anuhles are likely to receive are "kill anyone who tries to hurt my sister" and if C.C. is just offering power they probably won't interfere with it - hell, in their minds getting power would probably be a good thing.

Anywho, we should probably stop as we're likely to keep going in circles. We'll just have to wait an see what happens.

Of course, C.C. could just show up without contracting anyone, and just offer to help Lelouch out if he'll shelter her until she can make other arrangements. An Exalt of his level is bound to attract some interesting candidates.
 
Well, we'd have to grind Essence pretty routinely (or get heretical with Triumphant Howl of the Devil Tiger) to truly have an extended lifespan.

"Routinely" isn't the word I'd use. For Essence 1-5, Green Sun Princes have ~150 years of life and they do not age visibly. At Essence 6, it's ~300 years. It gets up to ~2,500 at Essence 9+ without going Devil-Tiger or <Yozi> Cosmic Principle. Lelouch has ~133 years to get to Essence 6 to increase his lifespan. I'm sure he'll have time to get his Essence up by then.
 
If you've done something sufficient to piss him off enough to be an enemy, sure. But giving Nunnally a Geass wouldn't really be enough to do that, I'd think. Especially if it gave her the ability to see again. Lelouch isn't some kind of irrational psychopath - even if he's angry, he's not going to immediately go to the solution of eternally imprisoning C.C. unless she does something really bad.
Giving her a Geass wouldn't make him apocalyptically angry, no, especially given the possible restoration of sight. Giving her Geass and then Lelouch finding out exactly why C.C.'s done it would make him angry, especially if she's tricked into it/not given all the information in advance. Giving her a Geass and then encouraging Nunnally to put herself in danger- pretty much the only way she'd be able to level it up- would piss him off something fierce.
The Siddies care enough that C.C. apparently has to file paperwork to allow for a replacement. They don't likely care if she's being experimented on for a few years, but if she's out of contact for decades or centuries I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to send someone to check up on her. They might not, I just find it unlikely they wouldn't given that she's a person of interest to them.
Person of interest =/= important. It's entirely possible that they only keep an eye on her to help account for her presence in the Loom or something, and that her vanishing off the map would be of no real concern to them beyond 'okay, now we just need to keep an eye out for when she pops up again'. And even for someone of C.C.'s lifespan, decades or centuries encased in concrete at the bottom of the ocean are not something to be taken lightly; 'and I must scream' is a trope for a reason.
I wouldn't underestimate Geass users. Even if their abilities are specific and the users themselves are mortal, the actual abilities can be very strong and with few exceptions Geass can be spammed.
They're not weak, but compared to an Exalt of any real experience? They die or are countered. Easily. Willpower out of UMI and perfect mental/social defenses are a thing, and all canon Geass are UMI or perception-enhancement based.
And what would he find out that would be so dangerous to her?

Lelouch: "You want to make my sister immortal?"
C.C.: "That is what would happen, so yes."
Lelouch: "Well then, carry on."

Once Lelouch finds out that his potential lifespan is vastly extended, knowing that he could make his sister live longer would probably appeal to him.
The immortality part he might object to, seeing as it apparently doesn't come with any way to cope with said immortality and does come with a significant amount of risk/target placement attached. The methods of Nunnally leveling up to the point where it's possible to take on the Code he definitely would object to.
Unless C.C. starts forcibly taking Nunnally out, then again I suspect that Lelouch will begrudgingly accept his sister's decisions. He would take greater interest in what's going on with Nunnally and C.C., but as long as C.C. isn't doing anything to hurt Nunnally then she wouldn't have to worry too much. And hell, just like in canon she would refuse to take Nunnally anywhere if she thought it was too dangerous - remember when she tried to stop Lelouch from going out at gunpoint?
Never underestimate an overprotective brother. And the threshold for 'too dangerous' is a lot lower for Nunnally than Lelouch- enough that her going out at all would be a rare occurrence, and making the effort developing Nunnally's Geass would require far greater than almost anybody else.
Random targets in the ghetto who have nothing in the way of resources and whose personalities she doesn't know much about? She's not going to choose someone randomly, especially after Mao. Nunnally isn't necessarily a 100% ideal target, but I imagine she will come to mind as a strong candidate for consideration.
I disagree- as you pointed out, she's immortal. She can afford to spend a month or a year observing someone before contracting with them. And actually, does C.C. even know where Nunnaly is? She found Lelouch in canon, but I always assumed that was some sort of Geass-forged connection- without that, is it even possible for C.C. to find her (I know there's that psychic connection with Marianne, but does she know where Lelouch and Nunnally are and if so, would she want C.C. near her kids when neither has a Geass)?
Also, we don't have enough reason IC to have Lelouch try to stop C.C. from making a contract by having the Anuhles stop her. He knows C.C. is alive, but that's it. He's got no reason to suspect she knows who he is, much less her having any interest in him or his sister. The orders the Anuhles are likely to receive are "kill anyone who tries to hurt my sister" and if C.C. is just offering power they probably won't interfere with it - hell, in their minds getting power would probably be a good thing.
Given the number of ways there are to deliver harm subtly, orders that are more general/encompassing than that are likely. 'Restrain anybody who isn't amongst X group of people or been given permission to approach by X, Y, and Z people', for example.
Anywho, we should probably stop as we're likely to keep going in circles. We'll just have to wait an see what happens.
Agreed. Agree to disagree.
Of course, C.C. could just show up without contracting anyone, and just offer to help Lelouch out if he'll shelter her until she can make other arrangements. An Exalt of his level is bound to attract some interesting candidates.
This wouldn't exactly surprise me.
 
Last edited:
You create an XML file with the statistics of the Charm(s) you wish to enter, and a .properties file that contains the Charm(s) name(s) and description(s) of what it does.

Here's the official page on how to do it:
How to create custom charms and spells · anathema/anathema Wiki · GitHub

Also, you can crack open the default charm lists in the lib folder with something like 7zip and see how to properly format the charm entries in the XML file.
LC gave you the tutorial link, but there's some intricacies it doesn't cover. Feel free to start a convo with me or LC for assistance if you want to get started yourself.

I've already entered the charmsets for: Theion (Shards of the Exalted Dream and some dude named Theion), Mardukth (Reminiscent Oasis), Isidoros (Revlid), Metagaos (also Revlid) and several custom charms for the "original" 6 yozis (core + Kimbery) by various authors.

Here's the link to what I've done. To use, just drop all files into the anathema\repository\custom folder (you may need to create it if it doesn't exist).
MediaFire

A direct link to the Oramus charms would be useful so that I can properly cite the author and make sure that I've got everything they wrote.
Whoops, I posted the wrong link. Here you go.
Thanks a lot! This kind of editing is not my forte, but I really want to do it.
Here the extra Kimbery charms.
[Exalted 2e] 30 New Kimbery Charms
As for Heretical Charm I think when whitewolf forum was down lots of them were lost. I will try if I can dig them up.
And now I am tempted to add a female Infernal who favors Kimbery. Just imagine the possibilities...
 
"Routinely" isn't the word I'd use. For Essence 1-5, Green Sun Princes have ~150 years of life and they do not age visibly. At Essence 6, it's ~300 years. It gets up to ~2,500 at Essence 9+ without going Devil-Tiger or <Yozi> Cosmic Principle. Lelouch has ~133 years to get to Essence 6 to increase his lifespan. I'm sure he'll have time to get his Essence up by then.
The count starts when they get the exaltation, so even if Lelouch were 50 yo at the time he still would have 150 years to try to reach essence 6
 
Infernals get screwed life span wise out of the celestial exalted
Eh... 2,500 is shorter than other Solaroids, but it's not exactly short, and given the importance of Essence in general and to Infernals specifically it's very likely they'll hit that. And the ease of going Devil Tiger or taking a Cosmic Principle means it's very likely an Infernal will become immortal before they hit that point.
 
Giving her a Geass and then encouraging Nunnally to put herself in danger- pretty much the only way she'd be able to level it up- would piss him off something fierce.
The methods of Nunnally leveling up to the point where it's possible to take on the Code he definitely would object to.

Just one last thing to point out as I just thought of it - how dangerous this is depends on what Geass the user has and how it's used, and I don't think C.C. is able to predict what Geass someone gets.

For instance, if someone got an Geass that gave them astral projection they wouldn't really be in much personal danger to use it, unless there's a strict range limit. Alternatively, if canon Lelouch has started enslaving people entirely from the start he'd would have had to put himself in personal danger with as much frequency.

And now I am tempted to add a female Infernal who favors Kimbery. Just imagine the possibilities...

*imagines* *runs screaming for the hills*

Personally I like that our Coven seems to be favored by a bunch of purely homebrew Charmset Yozis, and Kimberly isn't one of them.

Of course, there are going to be Infernals outside of our Coven... they just won't necessarily be as focused as ours, given your prior comments on the candidates who aren't in our Coven.
 
*imagines* *runs screaming for the hills*

Personally I like that our Coven seems to be favored by a bunch of purely homebrew Charmset Yozis, and Kimberly isn't one of them.

Of course, there are going to be Infernals outside of our Coven... they just won't necessarily be as focused as ours, given your prior comments on the candidates who aren't in our Coven.
I know, it's more of an idea for an arc or something. Lelouch has to fight Britannia in an Area where sea combat is involved, and the local Reclamation agent is a female Infernal that has breed an entire army of seafaring chimeras. Just to see how he is going to deal with that.
 
I know, it's more of an idea for an arc or something. Lelouch has to fight Britannia in an Area where sea combat is involved, and the local Reclamation agent is a female Infernal that has breed an entire army of seafaring chimeras. Just to see how he is going to deal with that.
Break out the acid and bug spray.
 
I know, it's more of an idea for an arc or something. Lelouch has to fight Britannia in an Area where sea combat is involved, and the local Reclamation agent is a female Infernal that has breed an entire army of seafaring chimeras. Just to see how he is going to deal with that.

Sounds interesting. I look forward to that and anything else you come up with.
 
Hm...I kinda hope our mad scientist person was some physicals. We already know we (known coven) cover all 3 socials specs, some mental and not a lot in physicals....though again with knightmares physicals are not as needed but are awesome

*imagines our Slayer who is said to be having a blast tearing knightmares apart with their bare hands*

Ah...still want to know who this one is, he sounds like he's having fun lol
 
Hm...I kinda hope our mad scientist person was some physicals. We already know we (known coven) cover all 3 socials specs, some mental and not a lot in physicals....though again with knightmares physicals are not as needed but are awesome

*imagines our Slayer who is said to be having a blast tearing knightmares apart with their bare hands*

Ah...still want to know who this one is, he sounds like he's having fun lol
...just had the most terrible idea ever.

What if our Slayer hasn't exalted yet? What if he, in fact, turns out to be... Tamaki?
 
Hm...I kinda hope our mad scientist person was some physicals. We already know we (known coven) cover all 3 socials specs, some mental and not a lot in physicals....though again with knightmares physicals are not as needed but are awesome

*imagines our Slayer who is said to be having a blast tearing knightmares apart with their bare hands*

Ah...still want to know who this one is, he sounds like he's having fun lol
I am afraid to inform you the Defiler is a strictly "creator".

I am glad to inform you the Slayer currently cover the physical aspect for everyone else because of insane combination.
 
...just had the most terrible idea ever.

What if our Slayer hasn't exalted yet? What if he, in fact, turns out to be... Tamaki?

:o....that would be sweet lol

I am afraid to inform you the Defiler is a strictly "creator".

I am glad to inform you the Slayer currently cover the physical aspect for everyone else because of insane combination.

Dang it Defiler! I will admit I'm curious on that...likely have some more dex and stamina so they can work longer and faster.

Sweet...

Britannian commander: "I have a entire army!"
Lelouch: "We have a Slayer"
 
...Hm, do we have a charm that lets Lelouch establish crafting infrastructure in the Beyond, that others can use with his help?
To sort of take inspiration from the creation of Luna?
Crafter + safe infrastructure gives us one hell of an advantage.
 
Back
Top