Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)
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Adorjan has great Charms but, as previously noted, we probably don't want to get anywhere near her.
I'm not normally a Cecelyne fan, but all that wish-granting stuff could be really useful for someone as manipulative as Lelouch. It's a quick way to gain leverage over people, so it's right up our alley.
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I could see that.
What about the other Yozi? The ones that are not the 5 caste patrons(or Kimberly)
Anything good in them?
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Sorenzy, or however you spell his name. He's a forest. It's apparently related to mirrors, which somehow makes him a communist forest. He doesn't instantly hate and or kill humans, but his poison can wait in your blood stream for arbitrary amounts of time without you noticing so you wouldn't really even notice if he did.
SWLIHN.
Factual Determination Analysis and the rest of its charm tree would be great for a social Exalt.
Cecylene
Know the Desolate Heart would be very useful. Plus, the wish granting charms might help heal Nunnally.
Would also let him get the Black Knights to maximum ability very fast (and keep them from turning on him, especially if backed up by the Fiend's oath sanctification.)
As for the rest?
Don't know enough about them.
Once we have Malfeas we'll have a pretty solid base to build up Lelouch. Just some generally useful stuff we would want if we have the XP to get it, IMO...
Cecelyne - She's got some interesting stuff, though Kaguya will have a lot of this available anyways. Great for dealing with demons and gods, building a cult, and granting wishes to buff up and gather followers is beneficial as well. Being able to dematerialize is interesting, too.
Adjoran - She's got a few Permanent Charms that are really useful, but outside of them most of her tree doesn't interest me overly much. I'd like at least the first one, but the others improve it a lot. Beyond that I have little interest in Adjoran.
Wind-Born Stride (Milly has this)
- Unimpeded Perfection of Exertion (I believe Milly has this, as a requirement for...)
-- Gravity-Rebuking Grace (I believe Milly has this, based on the update)
-- Foam-Dancing Haste
Ebon Dragon - While we have access, I'll note a few charms that are pretty useful to us.
Eldritch Secrets Mastery
Witness To Darkness (Get Glaring Sun's Subtlety homebrew Charm from Malfeas at the same time - the drawback to this isn't worth the benefits,
- Lots of stuff under this. In particular...
- Seeing Is Blindness
- Life-Blighting Emptiness Attack
Bloodless Murk Evasion (in conjunction with Bafflement Of Shining Scales, I'm not sure exactly what we couldn't perfectly defend against so long as we're aware of it - something that is Holy would have to involve Essence, and therefore be Magic, and so Bafflement Of Shining Scales should work, while this would allow a perfect dodge against anything physical. There are cheaper PDs than Bafflement Of Shining Scales, but they're not as flexible.)
Outside of that, there's lots of interesting bits to get from others, but nothing I find essential to note.
Cytherea might work, at least the version I've found.
Involves tearing down the old for the new, which is what Lulu is doing.
Involves tearing down the old for the new, which is what Lulu is doing.
chocolote12
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Turn TED into that guy who you play M:tG with who has that blue deck with nothing but cancels in it? Are you insane? That's like giving the Ebon Dragon a charm made of himself that is basically him if he turned himself into a charm.
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Honestly, we don't need more Social stuff. We already have a good social build going on, specially since we have another two social exalts in the circle. No need to learn Cecelyne charms when Kaguya already have them.
What we should do is cover our weaknesses, mainly making sure we survive in conbat (Malfeas soak charms are great for that) and maximizing our
capacities at tactical command, which is our primary role. Which is why i suggested learning illusion charms. If we don't learn how to turn the battlefield in a Witch Barrier we are making Orasmus sad.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Or we could learn the charm that actually screws with dimensions to turn the area into a Wyld Zone? I think that we get shaping effects somewhere down the line. That sounds more Witch-barriery to me.
Honestly a bit annoyed about Nunnaly's portrayal here. Her perceptiveness is already wanked in the fanon, though I understand why - elevation of the pseudo-myths (exaggerations) concerning the blind's supersenses to give her some character trait beyond Princess Wheelchair McBlandish Woobie. But this goes a bit too far.
I could stand her detecting something different about Lelouch - his appearance has changed and he has magical powers now so his emotional presence has probably changed from the bitter defeatist of pre-Exaltation - something that he can pass off as he usually does to protect his waif sister. But for Nunnaly to literally hear the speech of his Coadjutor, a being so entangled with his own soul as to be undetectable, as far as I can find, even to Exalted beyond a minor physical tell? Impossible, and she doesn't have the patronage of Oramus to work with that state of affairs.
Frankly, Nunnaly's only importance as a character are her impact on Lelouch as his Achilles' heel and partial morality pet. At no point in the show does she show the least sign of independent action when not prompted by the manipulations of someone else, whether that be Lelouch or Schneizel, so there's literally no way she's an Exalted. Even if she did inherit a terrestrial exaltation, she'd have to be older before it meant anything for her abilities. As such, I'm not really sure what granting 'magic senses' without explanation or cause to such a boring character probably better left int he background actually adds to the quest.
If you're going for drama concerning the conflict between Nunnaly's image of Lelouch versus the reality, this is both too early in the narrative to meaningfully address it (Lelouch has barely used his Exaltation yet so the conflict is minimal beyond external changes, which are the least meaningful for this sort of thing) and a really haphazard way to approach it, coming as it does without reasonable source in either part of the lore.
I won't ask you to change anything, Alex, as that would be presumptuous, but I wanted to get across my reaction for future consideration.
I could stand her detecting something different about Lelouch - his appearance has changed and he has magical powers now so his emotional presence has probably changed from the bitter defeatist of pre-Exaltation - something that he can pass off as he usually does to protect his waif sister. But for Nunnaly to literally hear the speech of his Coadjutor, a being so entangled with his own soul as to be undetectable, as far as I can find, even to Exalted beyond a minor physical tell? Impossible, and she doesn't have the patronage of Oramus to work with that state of affairs.
Frankly, Nunnaly's only importance as a character are her impact on Lelouch as his Achilles' heel and partial morality pet. At no point in the show does she show the least sign of independent action when not prompted by the manipulations of someone else, whether that be Lelouch or Schneizel, so there's literally no way she's an Exalted. Even if she did inherit a terrestrial exaltation, she'd have to be older before it meant anything for her abilities. As such, I'm not really sure what granting 'magic senses' without explanation or cause to such a boring character probably better left int he background actually adds to the quest.
If you're going for drama concerning the conflict between Nunnaly's image of Lelouch versus the reality, this is both too early in the narrative to meaningfully address it (Lelouch has barely used his Exaltation yet so the conflict is minimal beyond external changes, which are the least meaningful for this sort of thing) and a really haphazard way to approach it, coming as it does without reasonable source in either part of the lore.
I won't ask you to change anything, Alex, as that would be presumptuous, but I wanted to get across my reaction for future consideration.
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[X] You have 2 dots. Assign them.
-[X] Awareness (Sensing Ambushes)
-[X] Craft (Poison)
I don't really know enough about how intimacy work to really have an option on it.
-[X] Awareness (Sensing Ambushes)
-[X] Craft (Poison)
I don't really know enough about how intimacy work to really have an option on it.
Bit too heavy an investment there, especially if there's other exalts on the table that can do stuff to dematerialized.
The point was to highlight SOMETHING up with Nunally above and beyond the usual Exalt weirdness.
Because being able to tap into the dialogue with your Coadjutor is more or less like listening to Neverborn Whispers, not normally possible at all.
I realize that, even if I don't particularly care for it especially as it builds off bad fanon. However, my point was primarily that it is far too early in the plot to introduce that complication. This is the sort of twist that would be best introduced in the middle of a quest - when it would actually have some impact or cause a struggle between competing goals - not at the very beginning of Rising Action when the setting and characters are still being established. The introduction of this altered world is still too new and uncertain for this to have any sort of emotional resonance beyond reflections of canon relationships.
Also, there has to be some setting-based explanation for this event. None exists for Nunnaly that I can discern - she isn't an Exalt or heroic mortal of any sort, she doesn't have non-human ancestry (or Lelouch would as well), and, unless things have really changed, Geass have no inheritable characteristics (again the sibling issue). If someone is going to have impossible abilities, they can't just emerge out of nowhere - and people aren't randomly born with powers that I recall in Exalted (with the possible exception of Sidereals, but that's more predetermined that born with). At least Sayoko was able to see Lelouch's face and so has a reason to question why he is now 40% more attractive than he was this morning, but Nunnally basically pulled a Tattletale after maybe 10 seconds of conversation without any cue besides maybe hearing a strange voice. Perhaps Alex has a decent explanation, and I'm somewhat willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but this was a poor introduction of the plotline by any standard. It doesn't provide a character more agency or expand their personality, it doesn't add a compelling narrative (not as currently presented anyway) or more world-building, it simply gives a background player the inexplicable ability to cause the main character ultimately pointless angst in the most unsubtle way possible and muddles establishment of the setting and main characters. Hint: Nunnaly is not one of these. See below.
Furthermore, Nunnaly is by far the least interesting character with which to attempt something like this, having exactly zero personality beyond mildly determined woobie. She's just a flat character, and her role is so minor in canon (excepting backstory or as someone's pawn) that I don't see the point of expanding it when the words can be far better used elsewhere. I'd much rather an interesting OC than giving one of Code Geass' worst characters more screentime.
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I am sorry, but a character that is at the core of our motivation needs screen time, even if you don't like it. And giving that same character interesting things to do with that screen time is the logical thing to do.
She isn't though. The experience of losing his mother, his sister being crippled, and being banished by his father inspired Lelouch's motivation to destroy Britannia but that's become a self-propagating agenda at this point and Nunnaly is somewhat tangential to the actuality of the ambition. That does not deny the intimacy remaining or a fierce desire to protect her, but she has no reason to be central to his activity as an Exalt beyond a familial relationship. I have no objection to that relationship being present, even if I say for reasons of limited time and words (and admittedly, personal bias) that it should not be a large part of the quest.
However, this ability of Nunnaly's in no way makes that relationship more interesting or expands her agency in any meaningful way (or, as you put it, gives her something interesting to do). She's still stuck in Ashford Academy, waiting for her big brother to come home. As such, her character only matters as it impacts Lelouch and this is a shallow and poorly timed attempt to induce unnecessary drama.
You can disagree and that's fine. I have no interest in starting a debate when I only intended to share my viewpoint anyway.
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-[X] Awareness (Sensing Ambushes)
-[X] Dodge (Outnumbered)
[X] Choose 1 Demonic Intimacy.
-[X] Pragmatism
-[X] Awareness (Sensing Ambushes)
-[X] Dodge (Outnumbered)
[X] Choose 1 Demonic Intimacy.
-[X] Pragmatism
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[X] Choose 1 Demonic Intimacy.
-[X] Silk
It's not necessarily something she can be upgraded with later.
Wait for when we figure out what it is before going berserk about it being bullshit, because while exotic, it's not actually impossible for a godblooded/demonblooded of the right sort.
-[X] Awareness (Sensing Ambushes)
-[X] Dodge (Outnumbered)
[X] Choose 1 Demonic Intimacy.
-[X] Silk
If someone Lulu here is in constant interaction with has something unusual and we DON'T realize it, it's even weirder.
It's not necessarily something she can be upgraded with later.
Wait for when we figure out what it is before going berserk about it being bullshit, because while exotic, it's not actually impossible for a godblooded/demonblooded of the right sort.
Theunderbolt
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I'm not that familiar with Exalted but a few pages ago you guys mentioned that the Ebon dragon and Oramus are both big on lies/secrets why not have Milly explain things to Sayoko and Nunally as a work around?
chocolote12
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T.E.D. is the literal personification of betrayal and bad things. As in, he made the Unconquered Sun just so he could define more of himself as "not having anything to do with the literal personification of virtue", and that made him stronger.
Oramus, on the other hand, is the dragon of impossibilities. He's what everything isn't, so that people can point at creation and say that's not him, so it must be real. He's basically the wall between creation and Chaos.
They don't really have overlapping themes, though Oramus probably only chose his particular act of villany because it was hilarious.
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[X] You have 2 dots. Assign them.
-[X] Awareness (Sensing Ambushes)
-[X] Dodge (Outnumbered)
[X] Choose 1 Demonic Intimacy.
-[X] Silk
-[X] Awareness (Sensing Ambushes)
-[X] Dodge (Outnumbered)
[X] Choose 1 Demonic Intimacy.
-[X] Silk
Just a note on this portion - it makes total sense as this is canon level perception for Nunnally. In Episode 6, "The Stolen Mask", when Lelouch brings Suzaku to Nunnally to meet for the first time in years they don't speak until Suzaku puts his hands in Nunnally's - in spite of him having seven years of growth and probably a few little scars or callouses added in that time, Nunnally is able to recognize Suzaku entirely by the feel of his hands. We can presume she's able to do this with anyone she's sufficiently familiar with, having memorized the the little details of the feel of different people's hands and faces.
Among the changes Infernal Exaltation does, this is part of it:
Lelouch will literally feel different to her. The little bumps, asymmetries, and whatnot that she'd normally recognize are gone. If his middle finger on his right hand was longer than the one on his left by a millimeter, that's corrected. If he had a small scar on one of his knuckles, that's fixed. His upgrade to Appearance 5 from Appearance 3 may further affect this.
We're not forced to lie or keep secrets at all. There's no need for a workaround - if we want to tell them, we can just tell them.
Our Act of Villainy encourages us to keep secrets from allies and henchmen, but it doesn't really have an effect unless we've got Limit built up. Thus far we do not have any as we haven't done anything to go against our Urge nor have we used any Charms that build Limit.