Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

...Can we use Oramus charm paradox-tricks to get at some parts of Theion, the Primordial King from before he lost Ruvelia, through Malfeas charms?
Heretical charmset, but still.
Because Theion has some nice little tricks I'd like to gain.
 
...Can we use Oramus charm paradox-tricks to get at some parts of Theion, the Primordial King from before he lost Ruvelia, through Malfeas charms?
Heretical charmset, but still.
Because Theion has some nice little tricks I'd like to gain.

I....huh. only issue that is a high essense thing maybe even 6

Can you expand on that post? What do you mean?
 
Now where is that paperwork to turn all the Ashford Academy Student Council members(except for Nunnally) into demonic minions/friends to ensure their survival?
 
I....huh. only issue that is a high essense thing maybe even 6

Can you expand on that post? What do you mean?
I'd like to get Theion's Charmset through heretical Oramus+Malfeas charms, for his kingly charms and also his own ability to understand what subordinates are good at to further help them.
He also has some good virtue tricks I'd like to exploit (Ultimate Sovereign Fundament - which also plays well with the stunt-focused ability of Oramus - and Overwhelming Force Magnamity) and Right Hand Ascension means he can start empowering others.

...I also like the idea of cosmic dragon + omnipresent cosmic force, and Lelouch getting kingly charms would maybe even let him really change the world by social force.

Any part in particular you want me to expand on?
 
I'd like to get Theion's Charmset through heretical Oramus+Malfeas charms, for his kingly charms and also his own ability to understand what subordinates are good at to further help them.
He also has some good virtue tricks I'd like to exploit (Ultimate Sovereign Fundament - which also plays well with the stunt-focused ability of Oramus - and Overwhelming Force Magnamity) and Right Hand Ascension means he can start empowering others.

...I also like the idea of cosmic dragon + omnipresent cosmic force, and Lelouch getting kingly charms would maybe even let him really change the world by social force.

Any part in particular you want me to expand on?
I get what you mean now

But I don't know if it's possible. Alex would need to answer for that
 
Theion does have nice charms...just not sure if its possible. Would be fucking nice thougu
 
Possible upgrade: Words Cut Like Swords. For lethal damage.

It works similar to Mind-Hand Manipulation, but the gist of it is that Lelouch can use, for example, Manipulation+Presence rolls to inflict physical damage instead of Dexterity+Martial Arts, following the concept of crossing the border between social and normal combat.

I also thought of using the various Shinma, with Oramus crossing the borders they define for a set of seven Charms.
It would have to roll against the target's MDV instead of DV.
 
...Can we use Oramus charm paradox-tricks to get at some parts of Theion, the Primordial King from before he lost Ruvelia, through Malfeas charms?
Heretical charmset, but still.
Because Theion has some nice little tricks I'd like to gain.
Given Theion's slain fetich is deader than dead, it'd probably be a version of Plundering Cosmic Graves for accessing past versions of a primordial. So then a combination of a primordial necromancy charm and something else specific to the primordial in question, such as Fond Remembrance of Adrian for Adorjan. Or perhaps it would be a charm for accessing locked off or defunct charms that a changed primordial cannot access, such as pre-Malfeas Szoreny charms? I'd say the latter, given how Theion never technically "died" given he was never without a fetich, and how due to "A Prince For The Queen" and "Two Hearts As One" (Theion's I Have Two Fetichs charms) Malfeas and Theion partially share a charmset, so part of Theion isn't technically dead.

And here's an interestung thought: if a Yozi has enough charms created for it by Infernals, would it begin to extrude new souls?
 
I am fairly certain you will approve of my Slayer, or at least they fit the role. They're also bringing a little extra.
If it isn't too spoilery is the character from Code Geass canon, Exalted or original flavor?
Would calling Suzaku "parricide" works? (cruel I know, but that's the truth)


:p

Serious question though, how many people actually hold Suzaku's patricide against him? Personally I find one a perfectly justifable decision given Gendo was basically going full national suicide. He commits far more objectional actions during the series.
 
Given Theion's slain fetich is deader than dead, it'd probably be a version of Plundering Cosmic Graves for accessing past versions of a primordial. So then a combination of a primordial necromancy charm and something else specific to the primordial in question, such as Fond Remembrance of Adrian for Adorjan. Or perhaps it would be a charm for accessing locked off or defunct charms that a changed primordial cannot access, such as pre-Malfeas Szoreny charms? I'd say the latter, given how Theion never technically "died" given he was never without a fetich, and how due to "A Prince For The Queen" and "Two Hearts As One" (Theion's I Have Two Fetichs charms) Malfeas and Theion partially share a charmset, so part of Theion isn't technically dead.

And here's an interestung thought: if a Yozi has enough charms created for it by Infernals, would it begin to extrude new souls?
I was thinking of exploiting that "Theion isn't completely gone" thing that Malfeas has through Ligier, thanks to Oramus shenanigans.
 
Maybe making the soul representing his understanding of the lesser beings (humans for example.)

Possible I guess.

I admit I don't understand the soul hierarchy of the Yozi completely, which ironically is one of the things I love about them, to the extent of how their demons/devas form and interact properly.

It's one thing I would love to explore...some day
 
If it isn't too spoilery is the character from Code Geass canon, Exalted or original flavor?
From Code Geass.
Serious question though, how many people actually hold Suzaku's patricide against him? Personally I find one a perfectly justifable decision given Gendo was basically going full national suicide. He commits far more objectional actions during the series.
It's how he reacts to it. You can understand how he became the way he did, but it didn't make him any less pathetic. If it isn't hate is pity.

...Can we use Oramus charm paradox-tricks to get at some parts of Theion, the Primordial King from before he lost Ruvelia, through Malfeas charms?
Heretical charmset, but still.
Because Theion has some nice little tricks I'd like to gain.
I'd like to get Theion's Charmset through heretical Oramus+Malfeas charms, for his kingly charms and also his own ability to understand what subordinates are good at to further help them.
He also has some good virtue tricks I'd like to exploit (Ultimate Sovereign Fundament - which also plays well with the stunt-focused ability of Oramus - and Overwhelming Force Magnamity) and Right Hand Ascension means he can start empowering others.

...I also like the idea of cosmic dragon + omnipresent cosmic force, and Lelouch getting kingly charms would maybe even let him really change the world by social force.

Any part in particular you want me to expand on?
I get what you mean now

But I don't know if it's possible. Alex would need to answer for that
I figure if anything could give us a chance to buy Theion charms, it'd be some heretical shenanigans between Oramus and Malfeas (possibly with a little bit of eddy mixed in)
Theion does have nice charms...just not sure if its possible. Would be fucking nice thougu

Given Theion's slain fetich is deader than dead, it'd probably be a version of Plundering Cosmic Graves for accessing past versions of a primordial. So then a combination of a primordial necromancy charm and something else specific to the primordial in question, such as Fond Remembrance of Adrian for Adorjan. Or perhaps it would be a charm for accessing locked off or defunct charms that a changed primordial cannot access, such as pre-Malfeas Szoreny charms? I'd say the latter, given how Theion never technically "died" given he was never without a fetich, and how due to "A Prince For The Queen" and "Two Hearts As One" (Theion's I Have Two Fetichs charms) Malfeas and Theion partially share a charmset, so part of Theion isn't technically dead.

And here's an interestung thought: if a Yozi has enough charms created for it by Infernals, would it begin to extrude new souls?
I was thinking of exploiting that "Theion isn't completely gone" thing that Malfeas has through Ligier, thanks to Oramus shenanigans.
I wonder if that might allow Malfeas to regrow a second fetich soul, making him closer to what he was.
This is exactly the sort of thing that they created the Infernal Exaulted to do.
It's...technically possible. I mean one path of Infernal is uniting with a Yozi to become a new soul of it

Heck maybe even replacing the fetich soul....maybe
...Wow, are you guys serious about it? o_O

Because this, this is the central plot and final goal of a truly epic quest. Let me explain myself better.

You can't get Theion's Charms. Theion is no more. You could create something that mimic the effects, even if not the themes.

You see, you can't go back in time. That's how the world, Creation works. With the killing of their fetich souls the Yozi lost something important, something they can't get back exactly as it was.

It doesn't mean it cannot be replaced.

Ironically enough Malfeas is in a truly unique position thanks to having once two fetich souls, and only one of them being dead. Even if that and the whole "sewn inside his own stomach" is causing him untold pain.

If an Infernal were to create enough powerful Malfeas Charms to replace the hole left by Ruvelia, of the appropriate themes, it would be enough to cause Malfeas to undergo a metamorphosis: not Theion, not Malfeas, but something who remember being both and yet isn't any of them.

And since the Yozi Malfeas doesn't exist anymore...you can guess where I am going, ne?
 
Hello there, giant mass of the Collective Unconsciousness that looks like Jupiter.
 
Ironically enough Malfeas is in a truly unique position thanks to having once two fetich souls, and only one of them being dead. Even if that and the whole "sewn inside his own stomach" is causing him untold pain.

If an Infernal were to create enough powerful Malfeas Charms to replace the hole left by Ruvelia, of the appropriate themes, it would be enough to cause Malfeas to undergo a metamorphosis: not Theion, not Malfeas, but something who remember being both and yet isn't any of them.

And since the Yozi Malfeas doesn't exist anymore...you can guess where I am going, ne?

Wait what?! Does that mean new entity is not bound by the geass restricting their movement?! Is that what your saying?! Because fuck... Damn... Now I wanna run or see this happen. It's a better idea than that shitty asspull plan of the Ebon Dragon.
 
Does that mean new entity is not bound by the geass restricting their movement?!
Well, those who take the Yozi Cosmic Principle can gain 1000 motes along with every charm that Yozi got, in other word they become the clone of that Yozi and not getting any oath due to them having the Exalted shard inside them instead of pure Titan. Devil Tiger can do this too.
Imagine 50 Primordial 2.0 running amok Creation who don't have fetich souls.
It's a better idea than that shitty asspull plan of the Ebon Dragon.
Reclamation is a good plan... for anyone who doesn't participate in it. Well I'm sure once someone replaces Malfeas slain Fetich soul the new revived Yozi would go to bitchslap the Ebon Dragon for being dickery to all of them.
 
...Wow, are you guys serious about it? o_O

Because this, this is the central plot and final goal of a truly epic quest. Let me explain myself better.

You can't get Theion's Charms. Theion is no more. You could create something that mimic the effects, even if not the themes.

You see, you can't go back in time. That's how the world, Creation works. With the killing of their fetich souls the Yozi lost something important, something they can't get back exactly as it was.

It doesn't mean it cannot be replaced.

Ironically enough Malfeas is in a truly unique position thanks to having once two fetich souls, and only one of them being dead. Even if that and the whole "sewn inside his own stomach" is causing him untold pain.

If an Infernal were to create enough powerful Malfeas Charms to replace the hole left by Ruvelia, of the appropriate themes, it would be enough to cause Malfeas to undergo a metamorphosis: not Theion, not Malfeas, but something who remember being both and yet isn't any of them.

And since the Yozi Malfeas doesn't exist anymore...you can guess where I am going, ne?

Yeah, that would break Hell wide open... let's not do that.

Besides, that's likely outside of the scope of this quest. You'd need high Essence Charms to make that entire thing work, which would mean being far more than Essence 5 - we're talking over a millennia of work. I think they were mainly just talking hypotheticals rather than actually trying to do it anyways.
 
Yeah, that would break Hell wide open... let's not do that.

Besides, that's likely outside of the scope of this quest. You'd need high Essence Charms to make that entire thing work, which would mean being far more than Essence 5 - we're talking over a millennia of work. I think they were mainly just talking hypotheticals rather than actually trying to do it anyways.
Yeah. Plus this is SV controlling Lelouch, I fully expect you to aim for "God Emperor of the Universe" anyway.

Anyway, I finally decided for an Ascendancy Mantle of Oramus:

Oramus: When the Infernal is left with zero temporary willpower he loses all benefit from his excess Essence dot (high-Essence Charms, superhuman Attributes and Abilities, larger Essence pool, etc) for a day or when his temporary willpower bar is full again, whichever is longer.

Update in the writing...expect surprise :ninja:
 
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