...Can we use Oramus charm paradox-tricks to get at some parts of Theion, the Primordial King from before he lost Ruvelia, through Malfeas charms?
Heretical charmset, but still.
Because Theion has some nice little tricks I'd like to gain.
I'd like to get Theion's Charmset through heretical Oramus+Malfeas charms, for his kingly charms and also his own ability to understand what subordinates are good at to further help them.I....huh. only issue that is a high essense thing maybe even 6
Can you expand on that post? What do you mean?
I get what you mean nowI'd like to get Theion's Charmset through heretical Oramus+Malfeas charms, for his kingly charms and also his own ability to understand what subordinates are good at to further help them.
He also has some good virtue tricks I'd like to exploit (Ultimate Sovereign Fundament - which also plays well with the stunt-focused ability of Oramus - and Overwhelming Force Magnamity) and Right Hand Ascension means he can start empowering others.
...I also like the idea of cosmic dragon + omnipresent cosmic force, and Lelouch getting kingly charms would maybe even let him really change the world by social force.
Any part in particular you want me to expand on?
I figure if anything could give us a chance to buy Theion charms, it'd be some heretical shenanigans between Oramus and Malfeas (possibly with a little bit of eddy mixed in)I get what you mean now
But I don't know if it's possible. Alex would need to answer for that
Would calling Suzaku "parricide" works? (cruel I know, but that's the truth)
It would have to roll against the target's MDV instead of DV.Possible upgrade: Words Cut Like Swords. For lethal damage.
It works similar to Mind-Hand Manipulation, but the gist of it is that Lelouch can use, for example, Manipulation+Presence rolls to inflict physical damage instead of Dexterity+Martial Arts, following the concept of crossing the border between social and normal combat.
I also thought of using the various Shinma, with Oramus crossing the borders they define for a set of seven Charms.
Given Theion's slain fetich is deader than dead, it'd probably be a version of Plundering Cosmic Graves for accessing past versions of a primordial. So then a combination of a primordial necromancy charm and something else specific to the primordial in question, such as Fond Remembrance of Adrian for Adorjan. Or perhaps it would be a charm for accessing locked off or defunct charms that a changed primordial cannot access, such as pre-Malfeas Szoreny charms? I'd say the latter, given how Theion never technically "died" given he was never without a fetich, and how due to "A Prince For The Queen" and "Two Hearts As One" (Theion's I Have Two Fetichs charms) Malfeas and Theion partially share a charmset, so part of Theion isn't technically dead....Can we use Oramus charm paradox-tricks to get at some parts of Theion, the Primordial King from before he lost Ruvelia, through Malfeas charms?
Heretical charmset, but still.
Because Theion has some nice little tricks I'd like to gain.
If it isn't too spoilery is the character from Code Geass canon, Exalted or original flavor?I am fairly certain you will approve of my Slayer, or at least they fit the role. They're also bringing a little extra.
Would calling Suzaku "parricide" works? (cruel I know, but that's the truth)
I was thinking of exploiting that "Theion isn't completely gone" thing that Malfeas has through Ligier, thanks to Oramus shenanigans.Given Theion's slain fetich is deader than dead, it'd probably be a version of Plundering Cosmic Graves for accessing past versions of a primordial. So then a combination of a primordial necromancy charm and something else specific to the primordial in question, such as Fond Remembrance of Adrian for Adorjan. Or perhaps it would be a charm for accessing locked off or defunct charms that a changed primordial cannot access, such as pre-Malfeas Szoreny charms? I'd say the latter, given how Theion never technically "died" given he was never without a fetich, and how due to "A Prince For The Queen" and "Two Hearts As One" (Theion's I Have Two Fetichs charms) Malfeas and Theion partially share a charmset, so part of Theion isn't technically dead.
And here's an interestung thought: if a Yozi has enough charms created for it by Infernals, would it begin to extrude new souls?
This is exactly the sort of thing that they created the Infernal Exaulted to do.I wonder if that might allow Malfeas to regrow a second fetich soul, making him closer to what he was.
This is exactly the sort of thing that they created the Infernal Exaulted to do.
Maybe making the soul represeting his understanding of the lesser beings (humans for example.)It's...technically possible. I mean one path of Infernal is uniting with a Yozi to become a new soul of it
Heck maybe even replacing the fetich soul....maybe
I figure that is what the Ebon Dragon wants to do with his fiancee.
Maybe making the soul representing his understanding of the lesser beings (humans for example.)
From Code Geass.If it isn't too spoilery is the character from Code Geass canon, Exalted or original flavor?
It's how he reacts to it. You can understand how he became the way he did, but it didn't make him any less pathetic. If it isn't hate is pity.Serious question though, how many people actually hold Suzaku's patricide against him? Personally I find one a perfectly justifable decision given Gendo was basically going full national suicide. He commits far more objectional actions during the series.
...Can we use Oramus charm paradox-tricks to get at some parts of Theion, the Primordial King from before he lost Ruvelia, through Malfeas charms?
Heretical charmset, but still.
Because Theion has some nice little tricks I'd like to gain.
I'd like to get Theion's Charmset through heretical Oramus+Malfeas charms, for his kingly charms and also his own ability to understand what subordinates are good at to further help them.
He also has some good virtue tricks I'd like to exploit (Ultimate Sovereign Fundament - which also plays well with the stunt-focused ability of Oramus - and Overwhelming Force Magnamity) and Right Hand Ascension means he can start empowering others.
...I also like the idea of cosmic dragon + omnipresent cosmic force, and Lelouch getting kingly charms would maybe even let him really change the world by social force.
Any part in particular you want me to expand on?
I get what you mean now
But I don't know if it's possible. Alex would need to answer for that
I figure if anything could give us a chance to buy Theion charms, it'd be some heretical shenanigans between Oramus and Malfeas (possibly with a little bit of eddy mixed in)
Theion does have nice charms...just not sure if its possible. Would be fucking nice thougu
Given Theion's slain fetich is deader than dead, it'd probably be a version of Plundering Cosmic Graves for accessing past versions of a primordial. So then a combination of a primordial necromancy charm and something else specific to the primordial in question, such as Fond Remembrance of Adrian for Adorjan. Or perhaps it would be a charm for accessing locked off or defunct charms that a changed primordial cannot access, such as pre-Malfeas Szoreny charms? I'd say the latter, given how Theion never technically "died" given he was never without a fetich, and how due to "A Prince For The Queen" and "Two Hearts As One" (Theion's I Have Two Fetichs charms) Malfeas and Theion partially share a charmset, so part of Theion isn't technically dead.
And here's an interestung thought: if a Yozi has enough charms created for it by Infernals, would it begin to extrude new souls?
I was thinking of exploiting that "Theion isn't completely gone" thing that Malfeas has through Ligier, thanks to Oramus shenanigans.
I wonder if that might allow Malfeas to regrow a second fetich soul, making him closer to what he was.
This is exactly the sort of thing that they created the Infernal Exaulted to do.
...Wow, are you guys serious about it?It's...technically possible. I mean one path of Infernal is uniting with a Yozi to become a new soul of it
Heck maybe even replacing the fetich soul....maybe
Ironically enough Malfeas is in a truly unique position thanks to having once two fetich souls, and only one of them being dead. Even if that and the whole "sewn inside his own stomach" is causing him untold pain.
If an Infernal were to create enough powerful Malfeas Charms to replace the hole left by Ruvelia, of the appropriate themes, it would be enough to cause Malfeas to undergo a metamorphosis: not Theion, not Malfeas, but something who remember being both and yet isn't any of them.
And since the Yozi Malfeas doesn't exist anymore...you can guess where I am going, ne?
Well, those who take the Yozi Cosmic Principle can gain 1000 motes along with every charm that Yozi got, in other word they become the clone of that Yozi and not getting any oath due to them having the Exalted shard inside them instead of pure Titan. Devil Tiger can do this too.Does that mean new entity is not bound by the geass restricting their movement?!
Reclamation is a good plan... for anyone who doesn't participate in it. Well I'm sure once someone replaces Malfeas slain Fetich soul the new revived Yozi would go to bitchslap the Ebon Dragon for being dickery to all of them.It's a better idea than that shitty asspull plan of the Ebon Dragon.
...Wow, are you guys serious about it?
Because this, this is the central plot and final goal of a truly epic quest. Let me explain myself better.
You can't get Theion's Charms. Theion is no more. You could create something that mimic the effects, even if not the themes.
You see, you can't go back in time. That's how the world, Creation works. With the killing of their fetich souls the Yozi lost something important, something they can't get back exactly as it was.
It doesn't mean it cannot be replaced.
Ironically enough Malfeas is in a truly unique position thanks to having once two fetich souls, and only one of them being dead. Even if that and the whole "sewn inside his own stomach" is causing him untold pain.
If an Infernal were to create enough powerful Malfeas Charms to replace the hole left by Ruvelia, of the appropriate themes, it would be enough to cause Malfeas to undergo a metamorphosis: not Theion, not Malfeas, but something who remember being both and yet isn't any of them.
And since the Yozi Malfeas doesn't exist anymore...you can guess where I am going, ne?
Yeah. Plus this is SV controlling Lelouch, I fully expect you to aim for "God Emperor of the Universe" anyway.Yeah, that would break Hell wide open... let's not do that.
Besides, that's likely outside of the scope of this quest. You'd need high Essence Charms to make that entire thing work, which would mean being far more than Essence 5 - we're talking over a millennia of work. I think they were mainly just talking hypotheticals rather than actually trying to do it anyways.
Inb4 Nunnally exalts as a Solar and becomes our ultimate nemesis. For our own good.