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*shrug* If I had to guess, you could go up to as loud as you wanted to be so long as it doesn't penalize your performance roll into failure.
So, while it's still a ways off I had a thought on the Sun-Heart Furnace Soul pantheon soul we could get.
Laharl, the Crimson Retribution
Seventh Soul of Lelouch vi Britannia (Sun-Heart Furnace Soul)
The third oldest of Lelouch's souls, a burning, blood red moon rose in the sky of Lelouch's internal soulscape upon his birth. Laharl's humanoid form is that of a young boy with blue hair, red eyes, and pointed ears. He is skinny but has a somewhat muscular tone, and his attire consists of only a pair of red shorts held up by a belt, a matching pair of shoes, two loose fitting golden bracers, and a ragged red scarf that has an almost winglike appearance that seems to move as if it were part of him.
Laharl is brash and ill-mannered, comporting himself with an air of arrogance and self-importance that comes from his view of himself as royalty. He is quick to anger, though his true fury lies with those he sees as having wronged his father, who he idolizes as the ideal ruler. For those who have earned his true wrath he desires northing more than to see them die by his own hand. Despite his personality flaws he has an odd charisma to him, allowing him to draw others to him and make them his vassals. Further, he has a soft spot for his sisters that he'll never admit to but is obvious enough to the casual observers, especially in regards to Anesidora, and a strong desire to keep them safe. They can easily drag him into their shenanigans with only a token objection for his dignity from him, and sometimes even convince him to think their ideas where his all along.
Motivation: To crush Charles zi Britannia and bring his broken corpse before his father as tribute.
Urge: To bring bloody retribution upon those who have wronged his family.
Intimacies:
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Lelouch (Absolute Loyalty, Filial Love, Idolization) (Positive)
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Anesidora (Familial? Love, Vexation, Protective) (Positive)
3-dot
Sinnihtáre (Familial Love, Protective) (Positive)
Nunnally (Familial Love, Protective) (Positive)
Emperor Charles (BURNING HATRED) (Negative)
Britannia (Hate, Disgust) (Negative)
2-dot
Seyrun (Father's Adviser) (Positive)
Black Knights (Father's Vassals) (Positive)
Dark Green Fangs (Father's Assassins) (Positive)
1-dot
Milly Ashford (Begrudging Tolerance) (Positive)
Akio (Annoyance) (Negative)
Laharl, the Crimson Retribution
Seventh Soul of Lelouch vi Britannia (Sun-Heart Furnace Soul)
The third oldest of Lelouch's souls, a burning, blood red moon rose in the sky of Lelouch's internal soulscape upon his birth. Laharl's humanoid form is that of a young boy with blue hair, red eyes, and pointed ears. He is skinny but has a somewhat muscular tone, and his attire consists of only a pair of red shorts held up by a belt, a matching pair of shoes, two loose fitting golden bracers, and a ragged red scarf that has an almost winglike appearance that seems to move as if it were part of him.
Laharl is brash and ill-mannered, comporting himself with an air of arrogance and self-importance that comes from his view of himself as royalty. He is quick to anger, though his true fury lies with those he sees as having wronged his father, who he idolizes as the ideal ruler. For those who have earned his true wrath he desires northing more than to see them die by his own hand. Despite his personality flaws he has an odd charisma to him, allowing him to draw others to him and make them his vassals. Further, he has a soft spot for his sisters that he'll never admit to but is obvious enough to the casual observers, especially in regards to Anesidora, and a strong desire to keep them safe. They can easily drag him into their shenanigans with only a token objection for his dignity from him, and sometimes even convince him to think their ideas where his all along.
Motivation: To crush Charles zi Britannia and bring his broken corpse before his father as tribute.
Urge: To bring bloody retribution upon those who have wronged his family.
Intimacies:
5-dot
Lelouch (Absolute Loyalty, Filial Love, Idolization) (Positive)
4-dot
Anesidora (Familial? Love, Vexation, Protective) (Positive)
3-dot
Sinnihtáre (Familial Love, Protective) (Positive)
Nunnally (Familial Love, Protective) (Positive)
Emperor Charles (BURNING HATRED) (Negative)
Britannia (Hate, Disgust) (Negative)
2-dot
Seyrun (Father's Adviser) (Positive)
Black Knights (Father's Vassals) (Positive)
Dark Green Fangs (Father's Assassins) (Positive)
1-dot
Milly Ashford (Begrudging Tolerance) (Positive)
Akio (Annoyance) (Negative)
Walker of the Yellow Path
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While I do like the idea, maybe we should change the name so we aren't completely stealing a Disgaea character?So, while it's still a ways off I had a thought on the Sun-Heart Furnace Soul pantheon soul we could get.
Laharl, the Crimson Retribution
Seventh Soul of Lelouch vi Britannia (Sun-Heart Furnace Soul)
The third oldest of Lelouch's souls, a burning, blood red moon rose in the sky of Lelouch's internal soulscape upon his birth. Laharl's humanoid form is that of a young boy with blue hair, red eyes, and pointed ears. He is skinny but has a somewhat muscular tone, and his attire consists of only a pair of red shorts held up by a belt, a matching pair of shoes, two loose fitting golden bracers, and a ragged red scarf that has an almost winglike appearance that seems to move as if it were part of him.
Laharl is brash and ill-mannered, comporting himself with an air of arrogance and self-importance that comes from his view of himself as royalty. He is quick to anger, though his true fury lies with those he sees as having wronged his father, who he idolizes as the ideal ruler. For those who have earned his true wrath he desires northing more than to see them die by his own hand. Despite his personality flaws he has an odd charisma to him, allowing him to draw others to him and make them his vassals. Further, he has a soft spot for his sisters that he'll never admit to but is obvious enough to the casual observers, especially in regards to Anesidora, and a strong desire to keep them safe. They can easily drag him into their shenanigans with only a token objection for his dignity from him, and sometimes even convince him to think their ideas where his all along.
Motivation: To crush Charles zi Britannia and bring his broken corpse before his father as tribute.
Urge: To bring bloody retribution upon those who have wronged his family.
Intimacies:
5-dot
Lelouch (Absolute Loyalty, Filial Love, Idolization) (Positive)
4-dot
Anesidora (Familial? Love, Vexation, Protective) (Positive)
3-dot
Sinnihtáre (Familial Love, Protective) (Positive)
Nunnally (Familial Love, Protective) (Positive)
Emperor Charles (BURNING HATRED) (Negative)
Britannia (Hate, Disgust) (Negative)
2-dot
Seyrun (Father's Adviser) (Positive)
Black Knights (Father's Vassals) (Positive)
Dark Green Fangs (Father's Assassins) (Positive)
1-dot
Milly Ashford (Begrudging Tolerance) (Positive)
Akio (Annoyance) (Negative)
*shrug* He wouldn't be the only expy. And it's a sufficiently regal sounding name, which means we don't have to think up another one - it was a pain thinking up the ones for the other two.
What about his problems with well endowed women?
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That, I'm afraid, is beyond even the impossibility defying powers of Oramus
The character itself is fitting, but I agree that the name ought to be different. The fact that we have a lot of expies (even I made one ) is something that should be frowned upon rather than viewed as permission for more. Expies are a crutch that reduce creativity and rely on the recognition factor to generate interest.
) is something that should be frowned upon rather than viewed as permission for more. Expies are a crutch that reduce creativity and rely on the recognition factor to generate interest.Lelouch is plainly a siscon and Nunally is flat as a board.
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The character itself is fitting, but I agree that the name ought to be different. The fact that we have a lot of expies (even I made one
You could make that same argument about fanfiction in general, but it would undermine the quest to start with - this is a Code Geass quest and so recognition factor is part of what generates interest in it in the first place.
IMO expies are fine so long as they're written well and their characters are sufficiently altered to account for the differences in the setting. Keeping a name along with a general character template works fine so long as you're doing so in a plausible manner. If we're taking in Laharl's rough character template along with the picture, then keeping his name is fine since it's a suitable name (unlike "Shiro" or "Dead Master"). Calling him by another name wouldn't really change the fact that he's an expy in the first place.
Also I kind of like the notion of him proclaiming himself "Laharl vi Britannia". Plus Prinnies as First Circle Devas would be funny...
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What about if he's a girl too? Laharl's ego just makes gender irrelevant.
I haven't played Disgaea D2 yet, but Laharl-chan is a thing...
That said a number of people wanted this soul to be male. I wouldn't mind it personally, though.
The main reason I think Laharl fits is because he's a character that get's angry, is in a position of authority, and is arrogant. He's fitting as a representation of Lelouch's own arrogance and of his desire to crush those who wronged him.
Oh boy, here we go again.
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Did I do something wrong? It's been a while since I've read the whole thread.
Now I'm imagining the soul freely changing gender because it realizes that it can, stating how awesome it is regardless. Maybe to make fun of Anesidora a bit.
Anesidora: *is smug about something*
Laharl: "Oh yeah?"
*transforms*
Laharl-chan: "HAHAHAHA! BEHOLD!"
Anesidora: "AH! That's not fair!"
Back when discussing this soul a fair number felt it would be better for it to be a male soul, and it was a big discussion on whether it should be or not.
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Yeah, that sounds interesting. Like his ego refuses to let him be incapable of one-upping someone else's abilities when he spites them.
Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
The beast of apocalypse approves of this message! -nods-
Lelouch himself can apparently make a dress work fairly well, so it would fit that his male subsoul(s) could do the same...
Still, at least give him/her another name.
While we're vaguely on the topic, have an idea for the Devil Domain: Mirroring the twisty way of thinking of it's source, it's a labyrinth that'd make Escher approve. To Lelouch himself as well as his subsouls however, being accustomed to these thoughtpaths, the layout is just so obvious in it's simplicity and logic.
Poor Seyrun.
Still, at least give him/her another name.
While we're vaguely on the topic, have an idea for the Devil Domain: Mirroring the twisty way of thinking of it's source, it's a labyrinth that'd make Escher approve. To Lelouch himself as well as his subsouls however, being accustomed to these thoughtpaths, the layout is just so obvious in it's simplicity and logic.
Poor Seyrun.
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Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
Dont much see the point, if it walks like a Laharl, talks like a Laharl and looks like a Laharl~
The Fourth Soul Devil-Domain's aesthetic is actually taken from a combination of the Coadjutor and the Charms that the Infernal knows. So while Oramus Charms may do some weird stuff to it, it will always be something Seyrun can use - he's the Fourth Soul, after all.
Thing is, if we want to do this right, he's going to be heavily modified by Lelouch's circumstances and personality, so would end up merely similar and inspired by Laharl, instead of actually being Laharl. For instance, he'd propably have a tendency to consider most people as barely more than tools and playing pieces for use in archieving his goals, even if some of them may be particularly valued ones. Keeping the name the same in spite of that leads people to forget this and assume that he really is just a cardbord cutout.
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That's more Anesidora's thing, actually. She's Lelouch's intellect personified, his spark of genius, his competitiveness, and the part of him that views the world as a game board when she goes into serious mode. She's not like that all the time, but when she gets into serious mode and really, really wants to solve a problem... well, she gets scary.
The way I envision the Laharl-soul is that he would be Lelouch's sense of being royalty, of being a prince, and a worthy one at that. But that part is angry, because the world has not treated him as it should, not given him his due respect, and has wronged him terribly. He has to make those who have done so pay, to make them suffer and then destroy them. By that same token he's got a bit of Lelouch's sense of noblesse oblige, though, but it's channeled through First Malfeas Excellency, so Laharl-soul would follow his namesake and be a bit tsundere about it, proclaiming people to be his vassals and helping them because that's what someone should do for their vassals, or because those attacking his subjects are insulting him and his father by doing so and as such he has to retaliate, etc. He actually cares, he'll just never admit it out loud as a point of pride. Also, in that vein, he'd sometimes cause collateral damage, especially when he's really pissed off, and he'd probably feel guilty about it afterwards if he killed someone innocent. And he's not a manipulator or a general, really, as he'd be more of a soul dedicated to personally kicking the shit out of things with extreme prejudice.
And if people assume he's a carbon copy just because he's got the same name, then all the better when they're surprised as he does something that the canon Laharl wouldn't do.
Good point about the Laharl-souls personality. I was thinking that his compassion would be lessened by his pride and arrogance and his manipulative side amplified by the same until he personifies some of the most unlikeable of Lelouch's character traits, but your take on it is good too.
Still.
I don't think 'people' are going to be pleasantly surprised by his divergent personality, because those same people are going to be determining that personality in the first place via their votes according to their impressions of the personality he should have. An impression which the name Laharl is going to color in the shade of Laharl.
As well, I plainly find reusing the name to be jarring. With other expies such as Karin of the Heavy Wind, keeping the name works because their backgrounds are similar enough to transpose into the setting mostly unchanged, so they can also keep their original names. But when I read the name Laharl, I'm going to first and foremost think of the original Laharl, until my brain catches up to point out that from context, it refers to the Laharl-soul instead.
If Laharl's mostly unchanged expy instead lived in Malfeas, keeping the name would work because it still refers to more or less the same character, but using the same name for an essentially different character (that being the changed expy) is just needlessly confusing.
Crow
Falling is a Pleasure. Regardless of its Fate
Eh really I think its fine....
I think I'd enjoy that.
Fabulous in every way that possibly matters....and somewhat reflective of Lelouch's ability to wear any persona and make it look GOOD.
I think the problem is that the name gets in the way of considering the soul as a distinct entity. Too much baggage. Image alone is plenty.