Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

I think its supposed to be irreverent. It's kinda terrifying to think of a person who would so readily discard their humanity and consider it worthless, I think Enjou did an interesting job; hiding a fairly horrible mindset inside the sheer adorkableness of the character. Interesting way of having a high compassion character who's all too willing to discard her humanity.
 
Funny, but I think that modeling her after a porn game is kinda... irreverent?

I came up with the character concept and picked out the character art before I found that out. The original character is actually very different in terms of personality from what I understand, which is why I'm only calling her a semi-expy since name and character design are all that's crossed over.

Personally, I'd have gone with the Echidna route, maybe some serious Body Dysmorphic Disorder and an abandonment complex. She could go Malfeas/Kimbery for the monstrosity and breeding an army of monsters.

As I said earlier, I could have gone with something like that, because it was what a standard character who would enjoy casting off their humanity with By Rage Recast would be. I wanted to go in an entirely different direction. Instead of an "I hate humanity so I'm going to be a monster" it's more "omg monsters are cool I wanna be one!" with nothing actually against humanity.


I like her. Cheerful, sounds genuinely nice, will be searching for us soon. I like her for the contrast to so many of the others she offers.

It'll be a while before she arrives, most likely. Alexander is going to stagger which Infernals show up when, and he's going to try to do it in roughly the order they were written.
 
It'll be a while before she arrives, most likely. Alexander is going to stagger which Infernals show up when, and he's going to try to do it in roughly the order they were written.
But she's right there. Unless this entire thing takes place in the far off future, but Dog video... *Sigh* She sounds like she'd be nice to have around if only because she'd be helpful without a huge amount of issues that need to be worked out first beyond the always wanting to look like a monster bit.
 
But she's right there. Unless this entire thing takes place in the far off future, but Dog video... *Sigh* She sounds like she'd be nice to have around if only because she'd be helpful without a huge amount of issues that need to be worked out first beyond the always wanting to look like a monster bit.

He Exaltation will be happening some point in the future. The poodle monster video is something she watches obsessively because it involves a real monster, something she'd never seen before - she's watching it well after the meme has died down in popularity.
 
If she loves monsters, then she'll probably be best friends with Genesis Crafters like Nathan and Johnathan. After all, they'll be making new monsters as parts of their job!
 
As I said earlier, I could have gone with something like that, because it was what a standard character who would enjoy casting off their humanity with By Rage Recast would be. I wanted to go in an entirely different direction. Instead of an "I hate humanity so I'm going to be a monster" it's more "omg monsters are cool I wanna be one!" with nothing actually against humanity.
Speaking of which...
"It's your decision, my lady. For now, we need to leave before daytime and meet up with those that followed me here - you will find them useful. Also, we must get in contact with the Marshal of the Althing Infernal."

"Who is that? Is he a monster too?"
Considering the Zero costume, our fascinating and yet alien beauty (from that one charm), and our odd mannerisms, will we be able to convince her that we aren't a monster, even if we take the helmet off?
 
So, I was taking a look at the character sheets, and as I recall, Drive/Ride is the ability used to pilot Knightmare Frames. If that's right, then of the first ten player-made Infernals that are arriving, the one best suited to piloting Knightmare Frames is the guy who's motivation is to disprove their battlefield supremacy with a 3 in that skill. The next-best candidate is a Defiler (Melody Wright, with a 2), and the only other ones who might have some skill at it all have 1 as their skill rating. They consist of Nathan (A Defiler), Andres (A Fiend), and Nadir (A Scourge). Worthy of mention is Yukitero, a New Moon Lunar whose skill is, you guessed it, also a 1! So, that is 5 out of 10 Infernals with any skill at piloting Knightmare Frames and of those 5, precisely 2 are actually decent at it.

Lelouch is really going to have his work cut out for him making these guys seem useful to the Black Knights, isn't he?
 
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So, I was taking a look at the character sheets, and as I recall, Drive/Ride is the ability used to pilot Knightmare Frames. If that's right, then of the first ten player-made Infernals that are arriving, the one best suited to piloting Knightmare Frames is the guy who's motivation is to disprove their battlefield supremacy with a 3 in that skill. The next-best candidate is a Defiler (Melody Wright, with a 2), and the only other ones who might have some skill at it all have 1 as their skill rating. They consist of Nathan (A Defiler), Andres (A Fiend), and Nadir (A Scourge). Worthy of mention is Yukitero, a New Moon Lunar whose skill is, you guessed it, also a 1! So, that is 5 out of 10 Infernals with any skill at piloting Knightmare Frames and of those 5, precisely 2 are actually decent at it.

Lelouch is really going to have his work cut out for him making these guys seem useful to the Black Knights, isn't he?

Eila also has Ride 1, and the first part of the Murderzoom charmset.
Though that's probably a GOOD thing, since she may be on the wrong team, depending on how things go. :p
 
== Monstrous Obsession ==

So, uh, I get the reference but in-story why was this girl Exalted? I mean, Infernal exaltations are supposed to be for people who have the capital 'H' Heroic potential of a Solar but fail in the moment of truth. This girl what? Had her toys taken away? Seems kind of a weaksauce excuse for exaltation.
 
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I think its supposed to be irreverent. It's kinda terrifying to think of a person who would so readily discard their humanity and consider it worthless, I think Enjou did an interesting job; hiding a fairly horrible mindset inside the sheer adorkableness of the character. Interesting way of having a high compassion character who's all too willing to discard her humanity.
You know Kagarus, you may have a talent in twisting point of views into horrible shapes...because I haven't thought of that at all o_O
But she's right there. Unless this entire thing takes place in the far off future, but Dog video... *Sigh* She sounds like she'd be nice to have around if only because she'd be helpful without a huge amount of issues that need to be worked out first beyond the always wanting to look like a monster bit.
He Exaltation will be happening some point in the future. The poodle monster video is something she watches obsessively because it involves a real monster, something she'd never seen before - she's watching it well after the meme has died down in popularity.
Considering the character, what some of the Infernals have to deal with before arriving in Japan and other events (hint: it's military heavy), I may make an exception for Alice. After all, a (mostly) stable and caring character makes for a decent bastion of sanity. Yes, even in monster form:V

Speaking of which...

Considering the Zero costume, our fascinating and yet alien beauty (from that one charm), and our odd mannerisms, will we be able to convince her that we aren't a monster, even if we take the helmet off?
Enjou is expanding Lelouch's harem!
Lelouch: "No, no and no way in Hell, Heaven, Wyld and Underworld no!!"
So, I was taking a look at the character sheets, and as I recall, Drive/Ride is the ability used to pilot Knightmare Frames. If that's right, then of the first ten player-made Infernals that are arriving, the one best suited to piloting Knightmare Frames is the guy who's motivation is to disprove their battlefield supremacy with a 3 in that skill. The next-best candidate is a Defiler (Melody Wright, with a 2), and the only other ones who might have some skill at it all have 1 as their skill rating. They consist of Nathan (A Defiler), Andres (A Fiend), and Nadir (A Scourge). Worthy of mention is Yukitero, a New Moon Lunar whose skill is, you guessed it, also a 1! So, that is 5 out of 10 Infernals with any skill at piloting Knightmare Frames and of those 5, precisely 2 are actually decent at it.

Lelouch is really going to have his work cut out for him making these guys seem useful to the Black Knights, isn't he?
Akito destroy a KF bare-handed. Lelouch turns to stunned BF "You were saying?"

So, uh, I get the reference but in-story why was this girl Exalted? I mean, Infernal exaltations are supposed to be for people who have the capital 'H' Heroic potential of a Solar but fail in the moment of truth. This girl what? Had her toys taken away? Seems kind of a weaksauce excuse for exaltation.
She failed in her escape-from-home plan. Admittedly it's weak, but the Exaltation confirms she is Exalt material.

Oh, and before I forget: Merry Christmas to all of you! Even if you don't celebrate it I wish you good holidays!

 
So, uh, I get the reference but in-story why was this girl Exalted? I mean, Infernal exaltations are supposed to be for people who have the capital 'H' Heroic potential of a Solar but fail in the moment of truth. This girl what? Had her toys taken away? Seems kind of a weaksauce excuse for exaltation.

It wasn't just the toys. Monsters are her passion. It's probably a Dot 4 Intimacy for her. Her mother wasn't just taking away her toys, she was trying to force Alice to give up on something she held very dear, and it wouldn't have ended with taking away her collection - she would have made Alice stop having anything to do with monsters completely. Then Alice ran away from home, and then realized that she'd have to go back and that there was nothing she'd be able to do to convince her mother to let her continue pursuing her passion. To an extent this is similar to Milly's failure to convince her own parents to break off the marriage to the asshole she'd been engaged to, and then giving up on trying. This was her personal moment of truth, and failure would have long term consequences on her happiness.

As for having capital 'H' Heroic potential of a Solar, you should note that she killed a couple dozen zombies with her eyes closed using a street lamp she ripped out of the ground. This is a combination of a number of things. Her Attributes? Aside from Appearance the Exaltation didn't increase any of them - she was the star athlete of her school. She had Strength 4 and Athletics 4 before Exalting, though since she was in track she really didn't notice how strong she was since she wasn't lifting stuff. By the rules of Exalted she's able to lift 800 pounds, and she can effectively throw something that is 250 pounds as a weapon. The street lamp was probably around that. She also has Dexterity 4, which is high as normal humans can go. Then there's the fact that she killed the zombies with her eyes closed - her relevant trait gives her two automatic successes and zero penalties in spite of the fact that she can't see. This is her latent potential as a hunter of the undead expressing itself, which includes Abyssal Exalts.


Considering the character, what some of the Infernals have to deal with before arriving in Japan and other events (hint: it's military heavy), I may make an exception for Alice. After all, a (mostly) stable and caring character makes for a decent bastion of sanity. Yes, even in monster form:V

Oh, neat. I look forward to it.
 
Lelouch is really going to have his work cut out for him making these guys seem useful to the Black Knights, isn't he?
Eh, the Black Knights aren't wholely about Knightmare Frames. They're ground forces, thieves, saboteurs and yes, military pilots. Taking a quick look at the first few, Nathan Coulter would make a great hacker and crafter, Yelena and Reinart would make great recruiters, diplomats and investigators (to varying degrees), our cannibal Lian would make a great saboteur and surprisingly has some medical talents, and so on. Most of them have some marginally applicable skills even before their charms are considered.
 
Omake - An Abyssal Christmas (Non-Canon)
An Abyssal Christmas

"Mmm, I have to say that chicken smells delicious."

"Thanks, heh. I used one of my little pets to season it~"

"...do you mean they seasoned it for you, or you used one of them for the-"

"Ah, ah, ah. You should stop there, before you learn something you didn't want to know."

"Hah hah! She right, stop worrying about what's in it and just dig in and enjoy."

"Yeah, that's probably for the best. Thanks, love-"

"I don't see my soup anywhere. Where. Is. It."

"O-oh, right, she left that in the kitchen, I'll just hurry and getitnow."

"Good. And be quick about it."

"Hmph. You know, you don't need to be so harsh with her."

"He's right, don't be sooo meaaaan~"

"Oh? Is this... insubordination I hear?"

"Oh crap."

"And how about you? Do you disagree with my handling of the situation, as w-"

"Soup's here!"

"-nevermind. It can wait."

"Young lady, may I compliment you on your impeccable timing."

"Hmm? Why, would you expect one such as me to have less than-"

"Quiet!"

"Eep!"

"Now, everybody take your crackers, cross arms, and pull on three."

"Here."

"Thanks, love."

"Here. A special cracker, she asked me to pull her with you, she did."

"Um... t-thanks?"

"Honestly, don't be such a child about her. Just watch me. Here, want to share a cracker?"

"Aww, thanks!"

"And you two can take mine. Are you all ready? Then one... two... three..."

*****​

A/N: ...I have no clue where the hell this came from.
 
It wasn't just the toys. Monsters are her passion. It's probably a Dot 4 Intimacy for her. Her mother wasn't just taking away her toys, she was trying to force Alice to give up on something she held very dear, and it wouldn't have ended with taking away her collection - she would have made Alice stop having anything to do with monsters completely. Then Alice ran away from home, and then realized that she'd have to go back and that there was nothing she'd be able to do to convince her mother to let her continue pursuing her passion. To an extent this is similar to Milly's failure to convince her own parents to break off the marriage to the asshole she'd been engaged to, and then giving up on trying. This was her personal moment of truth, and failure would have long term consequences on her happiness.

But there's nothing in any of that to catch an Exaltation's 'attention' so to speak. Aleph and Earthscorpion like to say that Exaltations are essentially arbitrary, and even they admit that even though it's nothing more than a lottery, you buy your ticket with Heroism. What did she do to buy that ticket?

As for having capital 'H' Heroic potential of a Solar, you should note that she killed a couple dozen zombies with her eyes closed using a street lamp she ripped out of the ground. This is a combination of a number of things. Her Attributes? Aside from Appearance the Exaltation didn't increase any of them - she was the star athlete of her school. She had Strength 4 and Athletics 4 before Exalting, though since she was in track she really didn't notice how strong she was since she wasn't lifting stuff. By the rules of Exalted she's able to lift 800 pounds, and she can effectively throw something that is 250 pounds as a weapon. The street lamp was probably around that. She also has Dexterity 4, which is high as normal humans can go. Then there's the fact that she killed the zombies with her eyes closed - her relevant trait gives her two automatic successes and zero penalties in spite of the fact that she can't see. This is her latent potential as a hunter of the undead expressing itself, which includes Abyssal Exalts.

A few things:

-It takes more than raw stats to make a hero, and there's nothing in the books that says that 4 is as high as a human can go (unless I missed a relevant houserule from the start of the thread). Also, metal is denser and heavier than you apparently are thinking it is, but that's honestly a nitpick.

- Abyssal exalts are not technically undead I don't think, at least not in the way a zombie is. If I understand the relevant fluff correctly, they're basically suspended in the moment of death, and so never actually died. This is how they get around the 'no resurrections' theme. This is contrasted by hungry ghosts, zombies, etc that are the metaphysical leftovers of stuff that capital 'D' Died.

- Honestly, the trait thing is a little offputting for me anyway. I understand the trope you're going for, but I think that kind of thing is more suited to roleplaying with the odd stunt here or there, and not a charm-level innate power (penalty negation and autosux against a fairly broad class of creature).


I don't mean to be harsh, and the snippet was well written but I'm just having a hard time buying her getting an Exaltation rather than being a well-written support character.
 
An Abyssal Christmas

"Mmm, I have to say that chicken smells delicious."

"Thanks, heh. I used one of my little pets to season it~"

"...do you mean they seasoned it for you, or you used one of them for the-"

"Ah, ah, ah. You should stop there, before you learn something you didn't want to know."

"Hah hah! She right, stop worrying about what's in it and just dig in and enjoy."

"Yeah, that's probably for the best. Thanks, love-"

"I don't see my soup anywhere. Where. Is. It."

"O-oh, right, she left that in the kitchen, I'll just hurry and getitnow."

"Good. And be quick about it."

"Hmph. You know, you don't need to be so harsh with her."

"He's right, don't be sooo meaaaan~"

"Oh? Is this... insubordination I hear?"

"Oh crap."

"And how about you? Do you disagree with my handling of the situation, as w-"

"Soup's here!"

"-nevermind. It can wait."

"Young lady, may I compliment you on your impeccable timing."

"Hmm? Why, would you expect one such as me to have less than-"

"Quiet!"

"Eep!"

"Now, everybody take your crackers, cross arms, and pull on three."

"Here."

"Thanks, love."

"Here. A special cracker, she asked me to pull her with you, she did."

"Um... t-thanks?"

"Honestly, don't be such a child about her. Just watch me. Here, want to share a cracker?"

"Aww, thanks!"

"And you two can take mine. Are you all ready? Then one... two... three..."

*****​

A/N: ...I have no clue where the hell this came from.
This is both hilarious and really really disquieting.
 
But there's nothing in any of that to catch an Exaltation's 'attention' so to speak. Aleph and Earthscorpion like to say that Exaltations are essentially arbitrary, and even they admit that even though it's nothing more than a lottery, you buy your ticket with Heroism. What did she do to buy that ticket?

First, remember that Infernal Exaltations pick people based on failure, not success - at some time of crisis or important time in your life you have to fail. Alice had a failure here that isn't really unlike Milly's. Is it really "heroic" for Milly to refuse an arranged marriage, because it really seems to be more about herself and anyone else. But then, being her own hero might be enough.

Second, I personally think it's less about a specific heroic act and more about heroic potential, at least as far as this quest goes. Remember that Alexander has stated that if Suzaku were to stop wanting to die then he'd probably Exalt at that very instant. Not wanting to die isn't very heroic, but ceasing to be suicidal is certainly something that would be a turning point in someone's life, so that can well be an important enough moment for an Exaltation to grab onto provided the person in question is heroic enough in nature. It wouldn't be enough for most people even if it was an important moment for them, but it works for Suzaku because he is a heroic individual.

Alice has that heroic nature in her own way. She's Compassion 4. She doesn't have friends at school just because she's pretty and a star athlete - in conjunction with her monster obsession that's actually something that could easily be turned to jealousy and make her a social pariah among the girls in a high school. It's not like she's particularly charismatic. No, the reason she's got loyal friends is because she's just so gosh-darned nice. You don't see it in the omake, but her compassion pretty much means she ends up helping people a lot. She rescues kittens from trees, helps lost children find their parents, helps out her classmates when they've got problems, will always be there to be a shoulder to cry on or give hugs when needed, etc. Her classmates consider her to practically be a saint. Weird and cowardly to be sure, but she's someone they have relied on.

That's what the Exaltation was attracted to, it just needed a moment important enough in her life. The failure to successfully stand up to her mother or to just go and make a life for herself so she could do what she wanted with it was enough to give the Infernal Exaltation a chance to catalyze.

A few things:

-It takes more than raw stats to make a hero, and there's nothing in the books that says that 4 is as high as a human can go (unless I missed a relevant houserule from the start of the thread). Also, metal is denser and heavier than you apparently are thinking it is, but that's honestly a nitpick.

1. It's right there at the start of the Attributes section in the core book - page 101: "Ordinary humans have Attributes ranging from one to four dots, with most people having two or three dots in all of their Attributes." That might not apply to Heroic Mortals, though, but Heroic Mortals are Exaltation material.

2. I actually looked this up when writing it. Street lamp poles are mostly hollow - the wires have to go through it. The example I found when writing this was a 14 foot high aluminum lamp post, and it's weight was 238 pounds, and this is one of the heavier posts I found. (a 15 ft high carbon steel one I found is only 173 pounds, for example) That's easily within what she could lift with her (Strength + Athletics).

- Abyssal exalts are not technically undead I don't think, at least not in the way a zombie is. If I understand the relevant fluff correctly, they're basically suspended in the moment of death, and so never actually died. This is how they get around the 'no resurrections' theme. This is contrasted by hungry ghosts, zombies, etc that are the metaphysical leftovers of stuff that capital 'D' Died.

They may not be. That's up to Alexander. But she'll have an advantage against their mooks, regardless.

- Honestly, the trait thing is a little offputting for me anyway. I understand the trope you're going for, but I think that kind of thing is more suited to roleplaying with the odd stunt here or there, and not a charm-level innate power (penalty negation and autosux against a fairly broad class of creature).

It's mainly a way to offset her trait based social penalties that will come from her monster form being on almost all the time. She pretty much can't go out in public for a long time, and even many allied characters will have a hard time interacting with her until they get used to it.
 
First, remember that Infernal Exaltations pick people based on failure, not success - at some time of crisis or important time in your life you have to fail. Alice had a failure here that isn't really unlike Milly's. Is it really "heroic" for Milly to refuse an arranged marriage, because it really seems to be more about herself and anyone else. But then, being her own hero might be enough.

Yeah, citing Milly doesn't really do anything for me because I feel like that one was kind of weak, too (No offense, Alexander). I think if I had to boil down my issue, it's that Alice (and Milly to a lesser degree, as I said) doesn't really have any agency in this snip. Yes, Infernal exaltations react to failure, but to fail she has to do something. Everything happens to her.

Second, I personally think it's less about a specific heroic act and more about heroic potential, at least as far as this quest goes. Remember that Alexander has stated that if Suzaku were to stop wanting to die then he'd probably Exalt at that very instant. Not wanting to die isn't very heroic, but ceasing to be suicidal is certainly something that would be a turning point in someone's life, so that can well be an important enough moment for an Exaltation to grab onto provided the person in question is heroic enough in nature. It wouldn't be enough for most people even if it was an important moment for them, but it works for Suzaku because he is a heroic individual.

That's because the reversion of suicidal thoughts wouldn't be the catalyst for the exaltation as much as it's removing an obstacle to exaltation. Suzaku has plenty enough Hero credentials to have earned himself a Second Breath. It's just the Death Seeker part that's blocking it.

Alice has that heroic nature in her own way. She's Compassion 4. She doesn't have friends at school just because she's pretty and a star athlete - in conjunction with her monster obsession that's actually something that could easily be turned to jealousy and make her a social pariah among the girls in a high school. It's not like she's particularly charismatic. No, the reason she's got loyal friends is because she's just so gosh-darned nice. You don't see it in the omake, but her compassion pretty much means she ends up helping people a lot. She rescues kittens from trees, helps lost children find their parents, helps out her classmates when they've got problems, will always be there to be a shoulder to cry on or give hugs when needed, etc. Her classmates consider her to practically be a saint. Weird and cowardly to be sure, but she's someone they have relied on.

That's what the Exaltation was attracted to, it just needed a moment important enough in her life. The failure to successfully stand up to her mother or to just go and make a life for herself so she could do what she wanted with it was enough to give the Infernal Exaltation a chance to catalyze.

See, now that all sounds kind of cool. So why, in the snippet nominally supposed to tell us about her exaltation, did we not see any of that stuff she did to earn it?

Dropping one line about being a star track team member doesn't really cut it.

1. It's right there at the start of the Attributes section in the core book - page 101: "Ordinary humans have Attributes ranging from one to four dots, with most people having two or three dots in all of their Attributes." That might not apply to Heroic Mortals, though, but Heroic Mortals are Exaltation material.

Huh, weird. Guess I never read that section closely, but I'm away for Christmas so I'll take your word for it.

2. I actually looked this up when writing it. Street lamp poles are mostly hollow - the wires have to go through it. The example I found when writing this was a 14 foot high aluminum lamp post, and it's weight was 238 pounds, and this is one of the heavier posts I found. (a 15 ft high carbon steel one I found is only 173 pounds, for example) That's easily within what she could lift with her (Strength + Athletics).

Totally willing to be wrong on this point. Like I said, it was a nitpick. I kind of had the image in my head of one of those wrought-iron lamps for some reason.

It's mainly a way to offset her trait based social penalties that will come from her monster form being on almost all the time. She pretty much can't go out in public for a long time, and even many allied characters will have a hard time interacting with her until they get used to it.

I dunno, something rubs me the wrong way of giving mechanical compensation for a purely roleplayed drawback, y'know?
 
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