Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

what is the highest number of souls yozi's have?
Malfeas has 23 Third Circles and out of respect for his rank the other Yozi don't have more then 22 Third Circles. Except for Ajordan, who does what she whims and gives no fucks.

The Ebon Dragon has the least amount of Third Circles at 11. The average number of Third Circles per Yozi is probably 17.
 
Malfeas has 23 Third Circles and out of respect for his rank the other Yozi don't have more then 22 Third Circles. Except for Ajordan, who does what she whims and gives no fucks.

The Ebon Dragon has the least amount of Third Circles at 11. The average number of Third Circles per Yozi is probably 17.

Adorjan has 20. It's not really stated anywhere what the maximum number is.
 
Given the nature of both Freedom Lets Go and Tragic Love Amusement, I think that it's fair to say that the number of Adorjan's Third Circles varies from season to season.
Don't think it reasonable for third circles to just up and vanish like that.
These are supposed to be powerful characters in their own right, after all.
 
Given the nature of both Freedom Lets Go and Tragic Love Amusement, I think that it's fair to say that the number of Adorjan's Third Circles varies from season to season.

Just because she has those Charms doesn't mean she uses them frequently on her own souls. Doing so would mean she'd radically change with great frequency. Permanently losing a Third Circle Demon is a big deal to a Yozi, and Adorjan herself would have become something quite different if she offed her own Third Circles a lot.
 
Can't 3rd Circles come about from affection for a particular person? If it was born of those sorts of feelings I could totally see it happening. And since Freedom Let's Go makes you forget about them entirely, she'd probably just go back to the way she was before.
 
Alternatively:
-Adorjan can cast off intimacies, spinning the related 3CD off into a Behemoth or a child.
-Adorjan's own 'ascension' charm uses a different way of determining 3CDs.
-Adorjan's 3CDs representing relationships are mutable, allowing them to represent the SLOT for the intimacy, and the content is immaterial to the capacity.
 
In ES's version, he notes that Adjoran is considered to be COMPLETELY INSANE by the other Yozi because she has a tendency to make Third Circles out of her intense love for things, then a few days/weeks/millennial later flay them from her soul.
 
I doubt Adjoran is stable enough to have a default response to an unwanted 3rd circle soul. though given that she's Adjoran she still probably kills more than the ones she simply casts off.
 
Hmm. Might we see Lelouch's reaction to learning about this while finishing his occult training? Or was it mentioned already in some post? Though it might take a back-seat when other things that have already been mentioned start making sense for him...
No, it wasn't mentioned. Lelouch learning Occult is going to cause him even more of an existential crisis that the history of Creation did :p
Ah yes, here's the exact quote;

Good Ol' Lulu, bringing peace in our time. Give that man a Nobel Peace Prize. Granted, apparently this shit is true, as opposed to just a acid trip from all the shrooms.
Granted, the details are hazy at best and totally false at worst. So how much was an acid trip, nobody knows for sure.
Why would his subsidiary souls have an Urge? Are they subject to the same Oramic Urge Lelouch is under, a Urge based on what Yozi they were inspired by, an "Lelouchian" Urge based on their overself's Motivation? Is the Urge automatic & natural or is it something set by Lelouch?
@Alexander89 - could you clarify this? It will help for writing this up.
It originally appeared in Kerisgame, but what I understand is this: if the Motivation of a Deva depends on their wants, the Urge describes its nature. It's not something forced on them, but something that they naturally tend to due to their themes.

For example, Alveua will not craft under the light of the Sun or the Moon, and if a summoner forces her she rolls Conviction to gain Limit. Other demons consider some orders unacceptable, and cannot be forced to follow them.

Jacint made roads because it's his nature. Stanewald lost her original Motivation, but it's still in her nature to be an enemy to the earth. Hell, even Adorjan's nature is to hurt everything she touches, regardless of how she feels.
@Alexander89 - some suggestions for the two souls. I suspect these will be subject to changes, but they should give you some ideas.
Enjou hit the core of the matter very well here. Since she's born from a Charm that create unique things, Anesidora's Urge revolves around that theme. For Sinnihtáre her Urge revolves around music.

Was I clear?

Just to go in a little detail to clarify some things...

- Most importantly, while Slaanesh-chan is heavily inspired by the Chaos God from 40k, she isn't her/him/it. She is a human being. She has human emotions and thoughts. Those are of course influenced by her being raised in a Malfean culture, but it doesn't make her completely inhuman.

- Even though she's a sadomasochist, she's not a sociopath. She has Compassion 2, a normal rating for a human being. She has the capacity to understand and care about others. She hasn't really cared deeply about anyone before, but that's due to losing her mother early on and Malfeas not being a particularly caring place. She was fond of her former master, but not so much that betraying her was unthinkable - the relationship was not one of equals, after all, and Slaanesh-chan decided to be ambitious. That said, she understands preferences to an extent, and that most people don't like pain - that's something that's abundantly clear in Hell, as most go out of their way to avoid it. Unlike the Chaos God, she's not going to torture someone just because she likes torture. Mind you, she does, but either you need to be an enemy or you need to be into that kind of thing. When enemies aren't involved, she has more fun when everyone else is having fun.

- Her Maflean upbringing has had some interesting effects on what she regards as acceptable, and social hierarchy plays into that. Hierarchy is important in Malfeas, after all, and one does not generally survive long by ignoring that. For instance, she was willing to steal from her own master. She knew she'd be punished for it, but she was willing to go through the punishment to get what she wanted. On the other hand, she wouldn't steal from a different citizen unless ordered to. Getting caught at that could start a war, and the punishment would be far worse - one could be very well put to death to appease the offended party, or traded away to them.

Additionally, she would never sell out her benefactor to a third party. She stated it was rude, but it's also stupid. Even if she traded up by betraying her old master to a new one, the new one wouldn't trust her because she's obviously mercenary enough to betray them to another as well. She couldn't trust her new master, and her new master couldn't trust her. Trust is a valuable commodity in any long term relationship, which is especially true in a place where the threat of death is constant. While it might well be contradictory to that, she was willing to betray her master for her own personal gain, as she was essentially looking to become her own master to get the lifestyle she wanted, but only because there really wasn't any other way she could see doing that - if there was a better way, she'd have gone for that, but usurping your master is strangely valid in Malfeas as ambition is well understood.

Now, what this means for how she'll see Lelouch and Nunnally is important. Lelouch is her senior Peer and the Marshal of the Althing. He's got temporary authority over her, and even after that he's still first among equals. Nunnally on the other hand is a bog standard mortal, but she is Lelouch's sister. While Slaanesh-chan doesn't quite understand family (it's not a normal practice in Malfeas) she would note that Lelouch is extremely protective of Nunnally, so in her mind she'd understand that in some form or fashion that Nunnally belongs to him. Since he's her social equal and a person of great power, that means that trying anything with her without his permission would possibly be grounds for him to start a war with her, and she wouldn't want to make an enemy of him over a normal mortal girl. There's plenty of those to go around, after all. The worst she'd likely do to Nunnally is flirt, and Nunnally would probably be oblivious to it.

Lelouch and the other Peers she'd be completely shameless with, though she wouldn't do anything to them that she thinks would make an unnecessary enemy out of any of them. She's going to drive Lelouch up a wall, but she's not likely to make him an enemy.

Or at least that's my take on her, but she's in Alexander's hands now.
Actually I like this analysis very much. There is no sense in making a direct expy from 40K.

Knowing Why Sevens Are Lucky
Cost: 2m; Mins: Essence 2; Type: Simple
Keywords: Combo-OK, Innovative
Duration: Instant
Prerequisite Charms: None

The Pattern Spiders have worked the Loom of Fate for aeons without vacation and willingly tweak Fate in favour of those who entertain them. Since the Primordial War they have been denied the opportunity to witness the novelty provided by Oramus' creativity, a fact that an Infernal might take advantage of.

When engaging in a game of pure chance, the Infernal may activate this charm to draw the attention of the pattern spiders. So long as it is accompanied by a relevant Stunt that uses the themes of unexpectedness, impossibility or the number 7, fate will likely intervene in the Exalt's favour (influenced by the quality of the stunt). However, should there be an option that would normally be considered 'Impossible', such as a coin landing on its' edge, the origin of the Infernal's power grants a high likelihood that such an outcome will occur.
Interesting. Need refining, but this may be a very good start for a Charmtree centered around luck and chance.

Out of curiousity, do you guys think we'll be seeing any of the Shinma in this quest? Lelouch is probably the best exalt for finding/treating with them. This is nothing to say of CG's World of C. kinda reminds me of what a Shinma of individuality would look like, or an aspect of the Shinma of existence or something. I mean we already talked about making an incredibly powerful Ishvara into an artifact, why not track down and wield Ishiika while we're at it?

Edit: hell. Oramus sounds vaguely like a Shinma himself; he who defines what is possible by embodying impossibility.
The Shinma are principles of reality, just like gravity and heat but magical. They're like the Neverborn, part of the background.

And, Ishiika? Really? You want to use the giant scorpion made of clicking teeth?

So what happens if it's used on a willing target? This doesn't say.
Presumably they don't get to dodge and they don't spend willpower to resist. :V
This.
In ES's version, he notes that Adjoran is considered to be COMPLETELY INSANE by the other Yozi because she has a tendency to make Third Circles out of her intense love for things, then a few days/weeks/millennial later flay them from her soul.
Adorjan is completely insane under every possible angle and reason.
 
The Shinma are principles of reality, just like gravity and heat but magical. They're like the Neverborn, part of the background.

And, Ishiika? Really? You want to use the giant scorpion made of clicking teeth?

Henceforth I shall refer to Lulu's sewer shenanigans as Schrodinger's Adventure: literally anything or nothing could have feasibly occurred durin it.

On the Shinma I was more thinking of them as a sort of epilogue thing, things Lulu might have interacted with if he explored the deeper Wylds some.

I don't just want to wield a giant scorpion of clicking teeth; I want to wield a giant scorpion made of clicking teeth that's also a scythe larger than creation.;) Balor could do it, and if endgame Lelouch can't make Balor look like an amateur we've failed at life. Hell given the fact outer space exists now; Lelouch might be able to actually get it inside creation :V. It's probably only a few AU long after all.
 
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I don't just want to wield a giant scorpion of clicking teeth; I want to wield a giant scorpion made of clicking teeth that's also a scythe larger than creation.;) Balor could do it, and if endgame Lelouch can't make Balor look like an amateur we've failed at life. Hell given the fact outer space exists now; Lelouch might be able to actually get it inside creation :V. It's probably only a few AU long after all.
Ishiika has likely became this by then:

Gunstar Autochthonia said:
Ishiika, the Cosmic Scorpion

Ishiika is the most fearsome of all the alien creatures the Gunstar has ever encountered, a singular monster born into the depths of space. It is the cosmic scorpion, an endless nebula of teeth encircled by countless rings of clicking, disembodied mandibles. Even among the stars, it is vast–its pincers could wrest planets from their orbits and grind them to dust, while its lashing tail spans the length of solar systems. As a child of Nishikriya it is born to strife and violence, but its massive size leaves it slow and ponderous. It might take days for it to close a pincer around the Gunstar's hull or lash out with its world-killing stinger, ample time for the Exalted to make good an escape. But this does not mean there is no peril in facing the cosmic scorpion. It is a world unto itself, populated with an entire biosphere of monstrous insectoid life. Obsidian mites cling to the gnashing teeth that are Ishiika's carapace, each one the size of a warship. Cruel hooked worms wind their way through its body, slender ribbons of flesh that stretch on for miles. Corpse-eating wasps with metal eyes gather amid the halo of mandibles surrounding the grand behemoth. All of them partake of the same principle of violence from which Ishiika derives. The Gunstar has encountered Ishiika only a handful of times, driving it back each time at extraordinary cost. The prophecies of the Sidereal Exalted foretell that the Gunstar must face the cosmic scorpion once more if it is ever to return to the Spiral.
 
On the topic of devas, I still think (though I'm clearly in the minority) that intimacies/Principles aren't a good thing to base them off of. I'd rather have them be the vehicles for such feelings. You don't have a deva that represents your love for a certain person, which dies if you no longer love them; you have a deva that embodies your capacity for romantic love in its entirety. Much more stable, less likely to die because of a poor choice, and has a drastic effect on its overself should it be slain (your personal conception of love would become very different as a new deva was born).
 
On the topic of devas, I still think (though I'm clearly in the minority) that intimacies/Principles aren't a good thing to base them off of. I'd rather have them be the vehicles for such feelings. You don't have a deva that represents your love for a certain person, which dies if you no longer love them; you have a deva that embodies your capacity for romantic love in its entirety. Much more stable, less likely to die because of a poor choice, and has a drastic effect on its overself should it be slain (your personal conception of love would become very different as a new deva was born).

Personally I'm fine with it as is - you are at no point forced to choose an Intimacy/Principle that is towards a specific person for a deva to be linked to, and Alexander is even letting us create new Intimacies/Principles when we birth a soul if we want. You can easily make ones that are broad enough that they are unlikely to be lost, but still have an impact on the character's behavior if gained or lost.
 
Current tally.

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[X] Plan Pleasing to the Ebon Dragon
[X] Help the Lunar
-[X] Stunt: For the time being the enemy of your enemy is your friend, and its likely in both of your enlightened self-interest to work together. You draw your Hellcaster in one hand, while silently giving hand signals to the Dark Green Fangs. From your lofty position above the two combatants, you wait a few seconds until your target is turned away from you by the dance of death he is engaged in. Then you take aim and fire three shots at the unsuspecting Dragonblooded knight's back while he is distracted by dodging the Lunar's latest attacks. Five Anhules materialize in a circle around your foe and join the attack, while you draw a bead on the enemy for your next shot.
-[X] Actions: Draw weapon, command Anuhles, aim action for one turn, try a sneak attack with a gun. Don't flurry anything but the three attacks.
-[X] Charm Use for the sneak attack: First Ebon Dragon Excellency x 4, Ebon Dragon Inevitability Technique; 4m from Internal pool, 1 WP spent
-[X] Use Shadow Spite Curse to hinder the Dragon Blooded if absolutely needed, making his attacks less likely to hit the Lunar and or otherwise succeeding in his actions
-[X] Instructions for materialized Anuhles: Attack and don't let up. One or two should try to tie him up in melee while the rest attack at range. Switch them out as the fight continues to minimize damage due to his anima flux.
No. of Votes: 25

[X] Help the Lunar
-[X] Calculating Dho Na angles so that he still doesn't see your attack coming.
No. of Votes: 1

[X] Help the Lunar
-[X] Stunt: For the time being the enemy of your enemy is your friend. You draw your Hellcaster in one hand, while silently giving hand signals to the Dark Green Fangs. From your lofty position above the two combatants, you take aim and fire 3 shots at the unsuspecting Dragonblooded knight. Five Anhules materialize in a circle around your foe and join the attack while you reload.
-[X] Charm Use: Malfeas Excellency x 4, Malfeas Inevitability Technique
-[X] Instructions for materialized Anuhles: Attack and don't let up. One or two should try to tie him up in melee while the rest attack at range. Switch them out as the fight continues to minimize damage due to his anima flux.
No. of Votes: 1

[X] Help the Lunar
No. of Votes: 1

[X] Let them fight
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 29
 
{X] Plan Pleasing to the Ebon Dragon
[X] Help the Lunar
-[X] Stunt: For the time being the enemy of your enemy is your friend, and its likely in both of your enlightened self-interest to work together. You draw your Hellcaster in one hand, while silently giving hand signals to the Dark Green Fangs. From your lofty position above the two combatants, you wait a few seconds until your target is turned away from you by the dance of death he is engaged in. Then you take aim and fire three shots at the unsuspecting Dragonblooded knight's back while he is distracted by dodging the Lunar's latest attacks. Five Anhules materialize in a circle around your foe and join the attack, while you draw a bead on the enemy for your next shot.
-[X] Actions: Draw weapon, command Anuhles, aim action for one turn, try a sneak attack with a gun. Don't flurry anything but the three attacks.
-[X] Charm Use for the sneak attack: First Ebon Dragon Excellency x 4, Ebon Dragon Inevitability Technique; 4m from Internal pool, 1 WP spent
-[X] Use Shadow Spite Curse to hinder the Dragon Blooded if absolutely needed, making his attacks less likely to hit the Lunar and or otherwise succeeding in his actions
-[X] Instructions for materialized Anuhles: Attack and don't let up. One or two should try to tie him up in melee while the rest attack at range. Switch them out as the fight continues to minimize damage due to his anima flux.
 
On the topic of devas, I still think (though I'm clearly in the minority) that intimacies/Principles aren't a good thing to base them off of. I'd rather have them be the vehicles for such feelings. You don't have a deva that represents your love for a certain person, which dies if you no longer love them; you have a deva that embodies your capacity for romantic love in its entirety. Much more stable, less likely to die because of a poor choice, and has a drastic effect on its overself should it be slain (your personal conception of love would become very different as a new deva was born).
I am also okay with this approach, so why not use both? More options for everyone.

Alright, it's time to roll. But first I will make a list of all the actions and rolls that will be done, to ensure I am not forgot something.

1) Two-die Stunt: +2 dice to all rolls. Reward: do you want +4 motes, 1wp or use Ebon Dragon Mythos Exultant to make the two die into automatic successes?

2) Lelouch comes up with the plan. Seyrun offers suggestions to better use the Anhule. Lelouch accepts them.

3) Coordinating Attack: Lelouch rolls (Charisma+War+Relevant Specialty) against Difficulty 3.

4) Making Surprise Attack: Lelouch rolls (Dexterity+Stealth) versus the Dragonblooded's (Wits+Awareness)-2(internal penalty)=4. Using First Ebon Dragon Excellency x 4, Ebon Dragon Inevitability Technique; 4m from Internal pool, 1 WP spent.

5) Aim Action: +3 dice to the first attack.

6) Attack with Hellcaster, roll is (Dexterity+Firearms). Flurry: -3 to first attack, -4 to second attack, -5 to third attacks. Apply Onslaught penalty and Coordinating Attack penalty.

7) At the same time the, numbering five, Anhules attack. One attack is unexpected..provided the Dragonblooded DV hasn't already reached 0.

This correct?
 
I am also okay with this approach, so why not use both? More options for everyone.
They seem mutually exclusive.

1) Two-die Stunt: +2 dice to all rolls. Reward: do you want +4 motes, 1wp or use Ebon Dragon Mythos Exultant to make the two die into automatic successes?
I'd prefer the autosux. This isn't a drawn-out mission, so it's better to have an overwhelming first strike than recharge.
 
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