One of the cardinal rules of Exalted: Stunt Everything. Regular mortals and extras can't stunt, IIRC, but...*shrugs*
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- Thread starter Alexander89
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Given we are Exalted, I don't know if that is monumentally stupid, or actually a valid idea.Oh~! How about we black mail companies into paying us so we don't advertise bluntly for them? Like we are robbing a bank and we set up a loud speaker basically claiming all these products are great for robbing the bank and this company makes them.
It probably would be easier to pull of blatant fraud with our skills, however.
Way easier to just LSD as the CEO of a company and do some crazy shit that tanks the stocks... after we put take out a bunch of put options on it.
... what? How did I post this here? Crap.
Wrong tab, Daniel?
Yeah. White Wolf (the guys who wrote Exalted) love to invert classic Christianity. They did it in World of Darkness where God is an uncaring machine and Lucifer is fighting for humanity, they did it in Exalted where God was a Tyrannical autist and Lucifer was a perfect being of virtue. There's a really interesting build of Theion in Shards of the Exalted Dream, and it's Old-Testament YWHW on the dot.
Sure. It even fits her Motivation more closely. I imagine her becoming the incredibly charismatic head of a sprawling church, leading people in worship songs she wrote. If she succeeds, that is.
As a side note, I chose "Yelena Ferapont" for her name because it's the Russian form of Helena, which comes from the Greek for "torch" and Therapon, which is Greek for "worshiper."
So she's the Torch of the Worshipers.
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Could you kindly Threadmark, or place somewhere easy to find?
Alexander89
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I just worked on the Charms ReaperofInterest used in his character sheets, you have to ask him.
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I am going to be away for most of the day, and the next post will probably be completed tomorrow unless I got lucky (and don't end up writing too much, but then again I'm pretty sure you like that). As such I would like to leave you a task:
Cytherea
Szorney
Hegra
Those three Yozi lacks a Shintai, even among the various fanmade charms made around the web. At least, a Shintai that is worth using. As such, I would like you all to come up with something for all three, as Shintai will become very important later on.
Cytherea
Szorney
Hegra
Those three Yozi lacks a Shintai, even among the various fanmade charms made around the web. At least, a Shintai that is worth using. As such, I would like you all to come up with something for all three, as Shintai will become very important later on.
frozenchicken
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Hmm. Hegra should be simple enough, and I might have a look at Cytherea after that if nobody gets around to it first.
Edit: Okay, so I'm sort of imagining Hegra's Shintai as a loose cross between Lunatic Pyre Shintai and the TED charm Melancholy Chains Cast off, focusing on massive social adjustment. Something along the lines of Emotion effects -> Intimacy -> Temporary Motivation shift.
Obviously I'm still writing it, but I just want to check, can Shintai charms be social, or do they all need to be useful in combat? All the examples that come to mind have at least some combat applicability.
Edit: Okay, so I'm sort of imagining Hegra's Shintai as a loose cross between Lunatic Pyre Shintai and the TED charm Melancholy Chains Cast off, focusing on massive social adjustment. Something along the lines of Emotion effects -> Intimacy -> Temporary Motivation shift.
Obviously I'm still writing it, but I just want to check, can Shintai charms be social, or do they all need to be useful in combat? All the examples that come to mind have at least some combat applicability.
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Ok, some rough ideas...
Cytherea - A nebula-like cloud fills an area. The Infernal has no means of physically interacting with things or attacking (though Mind Hand Manipulation would word just fine) and very few means of being attacked. This Shintai acts as an amplifier for allies. Any action by an ally within the cloud that uses Essence is boosted - attacks become more powerful, buffs even greater, sorcerous workings greater, etc.
Szorney - Become miniature silver forest. The Infernal can't really be damaged except by destroying large swathes of the forest at once, and even that isn't enough unless you can repeat it as the damaged trees will regenerate with good speed. The trees let out quicksilver sap that pools on the ground. It's poisonous to enemies as usual but provides the benefits of Bitter Medicine to allies. The Infernal's reflection may exist in one of these pools and you can attack them that way if you've got the right Charms, but they can move quickly to another pool so it's hard to hit them. The pools also show illusions that gradually mess with the Intimacies of enemies in order to convert them into allies.
Hegra - Obviously become a miniature Typhoon of Nightmares. Rain down the drugs! And the Skyfire Crisis Strikes, as well. Those caught in the rain are subject to a combination of Emotions that the Infernal designates. Also the Infernal can freely use Skyfire Crisis Strike to attack enemies.
frozenchicken
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Alright, I'm going to have to go bed soon, and may not be able to post for a little while, so I'll stick up my preliminary notes on Hegra's Shintai. It's honestly very far from finalised, but I feel there's the core of an interesting idea in there. Basically, Hegra can fill herself up on a single Emotion, but can also overload herself by applying a second Emotion. I was sort of going for a sense of duality in effects to match that.
Ecstatic Despairing Breakdown Shintai
Cost: 15m, 1wp; Mins: Essence 5; Type: Simple
Keywords: Blasphemy, Emotion, Form-Type, Obvious
Duration: One scene
Prerequisite Charms: Red Rage Incitement, Storm-Heart Tempest Infliction
When Hegra reaches the twin peaks of excitement and despair, her emotions overwhelm her ability to hold in, and all around her are utterly crushed by the sheer weight of them. The user's body and voice swell with Primordial power, and the conflict of emotion within them becomes expressed in their surroundings.
The user gains 3 temporary dots of Appearance, which can take them above their usual cap on that stat, though it cannot alter the Appearance MDV modifier beyond the usual +/-3 maximum.
~(Everyone within (Essence x10 yards) has their current motivation suppressed. Half of those present (chosen by user) gain an intimacy of Excitement towards the User, as well as the Infernal's choice of temporary Motivation, whilst the other half gain an intimacy of Despairing Fear and a motivation that in some way opposes the motivation of the other group.
Any new Motivation must not conflict with an existing intimacy. Affected individuals may pay 1wp to make a roll of (Wits + Occult) at Difficulty 5 in order to immediately remove the Intimacy. [So long as they possess this intimacy, they may not attack the User? Too OP?] )
OR
~(The Infernal can cast Red Rage Incitement/Sky-Crysis Strike at reduced cost? Maybe either social or attack to represent duality?)
Exalts may choose to resist this effect, but doing so causes them to undergo Limit Break, reseting their Limit Track. To all others, this ability counts as Undodgeable Mental Influence.
This charm loses the Obvious keyword so long as combat is not occuring.
On an unrelated note, Ululating Nightmare Wings has perhaps a bit too much in common with Nightmare's Reign.
Ecstatic Despairing Breakdown Shintai
Cost: 15m, 1wp; Mins: Essence 5; Type: Simple
Keywords: Blasphemy, Emotion, Form-Type, Obvious
Duration: One scene
Prerequisite Charms: Red Rage Incitement, Storm-Heart Tempest Infliction
When Hegra reaches the twin peaks of excitement and despair, her emotions overwhelm her ability to hold in, and all around her are utterly crushed by the sheer weight of them. The user's body and voice swell with Primordial power, and the conflict of emotion within them becomes expressed in their surroundings.
The user gains 3 temporary dots of Appearance, which can take them above their usual cap on that stat, though it cannot alter the Appearance MDV modifier beyond the usual +/-3 maximum.
~(Everyone within (Essence x10 yards) has their current motivation suppressed. Half of those present (chosen by user) gain an intimacy of Excitement towards the User, as well as the Infernal's choice of temporary Motivation, whilst the other half gain an intimacy of Despairing Fear and a motivation that in some way opposes the motivation of the other group.
OR
~(The Infernal can cast Red Rage Incitement/Sky-Crysis Strike at reduced cost? Maybe either social or attack to represent duality?)
Exalts may choose to resist this effect, but doing so causes them to undergo Limit Break, reseting their Limit Track. To all others, this ability counts as Undodgeable Mental Influence.
This charm loses the Obvious keyword so long as combat is not occuring.
On an unrelated note, Ululating Nightmare Wings has perhaps a bit too much in common with Nightmare's Reign.
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NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
I don't really like this. Messing with someone's motivation, even temporarily, should be a lot harder to do. Also, why is it suppressing their motivation instead of simply applying emotion effects and/or creating Intimacies?
My idea for a Shintai along these lines would be closer to an environmental hazard, that instead of causing damage stacks up emotional effects on those effected. Say, the Infernal picks (Essence) emotional effects when they activate the Charm, and every turn someone is in range they have to roll their MDV against a difficulty of (Infernal's Essence)/2, and if they fail pay 2wp or suffer one effect of the Infernal's choice. Maybe have it so once they have their own Essence in effects stacked up they collapse to the ground helpless, completely overwhelmed by the emotions?
frozenchicken
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Really shoddy rules-writing. I wrote it mainly because Motivations apply bigger mechanical penalties, and the earlier Hegra charms already do Emotions and Intimacies. I'd hoped that the conflicting nature of the Motivations and the fact that Shintais are naturally OP would make it reasonable.
Fluff-wise, I'd imagined it as Emotions so overwhelming that they overran all sense of reason, comparable to a Limit Break (Only not quite so strong an effect).
I have to admit, that's not bad. I suppose the real question with this idea is whether the Emotion effects should stack their penalties when applicable?
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NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
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- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Some stacking would be okay, I'd say, but you'd probably want to put a limit of some kind on it to stop things getting too far out of hand.
Stop things getting too far out of hand? That doesn't sound like Hegra to me. Things getting out of hand is totally within her themes. The drug rain party train has no brakes!
Szoreny Shintai, rough list of possible effects.
- Infernal dives headfirst into the ground and transforms into an inverted silver tree with the roots aiming upwards, her branches sprout up from the ground like trees. Initially this is in a radius of (Essence x 100 yards) from the Infernal's location. The area in which the Infernal's forest body inhabits is not static, though - it spreads and grows gradually. (need a good rate so as to not be too fast but also not to be too slow)
- The trees leak a quicksilver sap that pools onto the ground. The sap is poisonous to enemies but has the effects of Bitter Medicine for allies. The pools also reflect illusions that change the Intimacies of enemies to be more in line with those of the Infernal. The Infernal may show herself in these pools as a reflection in order to communicate - attacking the reflection with the right Charms damages the Infernal normally.
- The Infernal's health track is converted to -0 health levels. Damaging the Infernal is difficult - individual trees, including the central one, can be damaged but it doesn't do damage to the Infernal due to their massive size and quick growth rates. Wide scale attacks damage the Infernal. Possible reduction of damage types? (Lethal becomes bashing, aggravated becomes lethal) Amount of health possibly increases as the forest grows.
- Immunity to Shaping attacks.
The rough idea I have here is for a Shintai that is not meant to be used quickly, but rather one that is meant to grow. You use it and gradually the Infernal takes over the land and encroaches on enemy territory - if the enemy notices it in time, they might have a chance of stopping it, but if not it becomes very difficult to remove. It provides a very friendly environment for allies, but a hostile one for enemies, either poisoning them or converting them to the Infernal's side by changing their Intimacies.
Thoughts?
- Infernal dives headfirst into the ground and transforms into an inverted silver tree with the roots aiming upwards, her branches sprout up from the ground like trees. Initially this is in a radius of (Essence x 100 yards) from the Infernal's location. The area in which the Infernal's forest body inhabits is not static, though - it spreads and grows gradually. (need a good rate so as to not be too fast but also not to be too slow)
- The trees leak a quicksilver sap that pools onto the ground. The sap is poisonous to enemies but has the effects of Bitter Medicine for allies. The pools also reflect illusions that change the Intimacies of enemies to be more in line with those of the Infernal. The Infernal may show herself in these pools as a reflection in order to communicate - attacking the reflection with the right Charms damages the Infernal normally.
- The Infernal's health track is converted to -0 health levels. Damaging the Infernal is difficult - individual trees, including the central one, can be damaged but it doesn't do damage to the Infernal due to their massive size and quick growth rates. Wide scale attacks damage the Infernal. Possible reduction of damage types? (Lethal becomes bashing, aggravated becomes lethal) Amount of health possibly increases as the forest grows.
- Immunity to Shaping attacks.
The rough idea I have here is for a Shintai that is not meant to be used quickly, but rather one that is meant to grow. You use it and gradually the Infernal takes over the land and encroaches on enemy territory - if the enemy notices it in time, they might have a chance of stopping it, but if not it becomes very difficult to remove. It provides a very friendly environment for allies, but a hostile one for enemies, either poisoning them or converting them to the Infernal's side by changing their Intimacies.
Thoughts?
Vaalintine
Wild Wondorous Wolfalope
Szoreny Shintai, hmm? What about something that shattters the character into a mass unit of reflective copies? Perhaps with special requirements to affect it in either battle or social combat. Add on top of it a bonus or discount to illusion-type charms and the ability to trap beings inside your own personal carnival-style maze of funhouse mirrors?
Edit: I like that idea Enjou, but that particular shintai seems like it should have a geomantic charm as a prerequisite. Perhaps give it a following charm that lets you interact with the world via reflective copies of people? If I remember correctly one of Szoreny's jotoun is a reflection of the Brass Dancer.
Edit: I like that idea Enjou, but that particular shintai seems like it should have a geomantic charm as a prerequisite. Perhaps give it a following charm that lets you interact with the world via reflective copies of people? If I remember correctly one of Szoreny's jotoun is a reflection of the Brass Dancer.
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There's already a Charm in Szoreny's set that creates a crapload of copies of the user. (I'd get the details but the forum that the Charms are listed in is currently undergoing maintenance)
Which iteration of Cytherea are we talking about first? World Tree or Nova?
Because I could see a Cytherean Shintai becoming a standing nova(body and equipment resculpted to a solid plasma form, which gives an explosive seed launcher built in attack and bolsters HLs/regeneration), then extending from that to inspire growth and excellence with the light of the nova, transmitting essence to allies, etc in it's charm tree, as well as forging life as if a variant of Wyld Shaping(specialized in creating life and environments but restricted on gear) out of the star-body
Play with the mass combat rules, essentially the Shintai makes you an army of trees, while you act as the indistinguishable commander. The mass combat unit regenerates Magnitude, though if they can somehow identify and hit you in your tree body(or the reflection), they can bypass cutting down the forest.
Somewhat simple at least
I believe that Alexander decided that Cytherea is a tree that looks like a bunch of galaxies, stars, and planets and stuff.
As far as creating life restriction, that doesn't fit Cytherea - she helped with creating all of Creation, both the living things and not. However, a Shintai focused on aiding wide scale crafting might work.
Again, there's already a Szoreny Charm that creates a crapload of copies of yourself that you can command.
Alexander89
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I'm back, and pleased to see that you are taking my challenge well. Allow me to provide help, by analyzing some the canon Shintai:
Malfeas' Demon Emperor Shintai (Essence 5). The prerequisites are:
-Viridian Legend Exoskeleton (x2)
-Gifts of Invisible Flame
What does DES do? It provides and enhance the effects of Viridian Legend Exoskeleton, plus the radiation theme of Gifts of Invisible Flame are re-interpreted as an environmental hazard. You get Green Sun Wasting only by looking at the Infernal's face.
SWLiHN's Heuristic Logos Shintai (Essence 5). The prerequisites are:
-Counter-Conceptual Interposition
-Wholeness Rightly Assumed (x5)
-Principle-Invoking Onslaught
-Ascendant Objectivity Stance
-Will-Crushing Force
Going by the Errata, I am going to assume Counter-Conceptual Interposition and Wholeness Rightly Assumed are needed to assume the multiple crystal spheres form and the increased soak (+20B/20L soak are a lot), plus removing the need to eat, drink, or breathe. The rest of the effects are centered around a massive increase of Mind-Hand Manipulation and its derivatives (Principle-Invoking Onslaught, Ascendant Objectivity Stance, Will-Crushing Force) making the Infernal into an army-killer.
Adorjan's Scarlet Rapture Shintai (Essence 5). The prerequisites are:
-Self as Cyclone Stance
-Who Strikes the Wind?
-Wind-Daughter's Wrath (x2)
The wind-like body allows to ignore most mundane attacks (Who Strikes the Wind?) and the effects Wind-Daughter's Wrath are magnified. I suppose Self as Cyclone Stance is needed for the conceptual significance (Self=Cyclone).
What is the common theme? That the Shintai makes the prerequisites more powerful and/or easier to use. There are some oddities like Splintered Gale Shintai and Devil-Tyrant Avatar Shintai, but in general Shintai are like Martial Arts Forms, a natural progression of their prerequisites.
I need to ask a question: taking into consideration how the culture of Britannia works, or at least how we think it works, how would an older woman (22-23 years) flirting and/or hitting on a younger man (17) be viewed?
Malfeas' Demon Emperor Shintai (Essence 5). The prerequisites are:
-Viridian Legend Exoskeleton (x2)
-Gifts of Invisible Flame
What does DES do? It provides and enhance the effects of Viridian Legend Exoskeleton, plus the radiation theme of Gifts of Invisible Flame are re-interpreted as an environmental hazard. You get Green Sun Wasting only by looking at the Infernal's face.
SWLiHN's Heuristic Logos Shintai (Essence 5). The prerequisites are:
-Counter-Conceptual Interposition
-Wholeness Rightly Assumed (x5)
-Principle-Invoking Onslaught
-Ascendant Objectivity Stance
-Will-Crushing Force
Going by the Errata, I am going to assume Counter-Conceptual Interposition and Wholeness Rightly Assumed are needed to assume the multiple crystal spheres form and the increased soak (+20B/20L soak are a lot), plus removing the need to eat, drink, or breathe. The rest of the effects are centered around a massive increase of Mind-Hand Manipulation and its derivatives (Principle-Invoking Onslaught, Ascendant Objectivity Stance, Will-Crushing Force) making the Infernal into an army-killer.
Adorjan's Scarlet Rapture Shintai (Essence 5). The prerequisites are:
-Self as Cyclone Stance
-Who Strikes the Wind?
-Wind-Daughter's Wrath (x2)
The wind-like body allows to ignore most mundane attacks (Who Strikes the Wind?) and the effects Wind-Daughter's Wrath are magnified. I suppose Self as Cyclone Stance is needed for the conceptual significance (Self=Cyclone).
What is the common theme? That the Shintai makes the prerequisites more powerful and/or easier to use. There are some oddities like Splintered Gale Shintai and Devil-Tyrant Avatar Shintai, but in general Shintai are like Martial Arts Forms, a natural progression of their prerequisites.
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I need to ask a question: taking into consideration how the culture of Britannia works, or at least how we think it works, how would an older woman (22-23 years) flirting and/or hitting on a younger man (17) be viewed?
That could work
That's a pro, not a con. You just extend off the lower charm and merge into your clones fully.
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I think it would depend on the relative status of the two. If it's a higher ranking woman hitting on a lower ranking man than it would probably be viewed as eccentric, If it's the other way around it would probably be seen as manipulative and presumptuous.
This is assuming that it's just flirting.
Spectrum
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That seems like a bit of a reach. You're basically saying that unless they are socially equal the woman is going to get negative looks for flirting.