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Green Sun, Black Shadows (CG/Exalted)

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You know the fun part about this decision?

Every single one of these answers is simultaneously the truth and a lie.

Zero is the faceless symbol of the masses who is supposed to have no true face. Therefore claiming he is Zero, is a lie in itself.

Lelouch Lamperouge is the name he took up since his exile, and the name we most identify with. Yet it is not the name he was born with nor is it legally his real name.

Lelouch Vi Britannia is the name he was born with and the one that broadcasts his lineage most correctly. Yet it is the name Lelouch rejected, and the one he hates the most.

Who is Lelouch? Is he Zero, the faceless leader of the Black Knights? Is he Lelouch Lamperouge, a student of Ashford Academy who dotes on his younger sister? Or is he Lelouch Vi Britannia, the exiled prince of Britannia, and a potential heir to the throne?


Truly, Oramus chose his champion wisely. For no matter which name is given, it will be both a truth and a lie.

[X] Lelouch Vi Britannia
-[X] I've picked up several names over the years, though the one I was born with was Lelouch Vi Britannia.


Moving away from the thoughts regarding Lelouch's paradoxical "identity", In all seriousness, I don't have faith in Lelouch truly being able to hide his identity from the other Infernals. The least likely to figure it out is Akito, but he has a friend who is far more politically savy than him to help him out, and its possible that Infernal politics will use our identity as a potential bribe for Akito anyways. Best get this taken care of now, before we start building up trust on a lie.

Well... for any given value of a lie... :p
 
I'm saying that a Yozi would casually destroy civilizations if it were more convenient for them.

Full Reclaimation success is not desirable to anyone but the Yozis.
 
Frakir's brother said:
For the whole friends thing, you're right. They wouldn't approve. But one of the things the Yozi actually understand about humans is that they are transient. They know that the humans that sided against them are long dead, so there aren't any inherent grudges on account of being human. Choosing to worship the betrayers is worth hate, but the ones that worship them get the First Circle treatment. Ignore them until they are wanted/ the Yozi feel like it. Too busy torturing the betrayers to care about the ants.
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Frakir's brother said:
I didn't put the actual plan did I? Convert everyone before the Yozi get free, and only the sadists will torture people.
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I really think you don't get how bad it would be for humanity if the Yozis got free. You keep saying that First Circle treatment is what humanity would get, but do you even realize how much of a downgrade that is for most people? Have you taken note of how the First Circle Demons have to play music constantly to keep Adjoran away? That doesn't even always work. You let Adjoran out, then humans have to deal with that, as well as the crap that the other Yozis bring.

The entire reason that humanity agreed to help fight the Primordials in the first place was entirely due to the fact that they were treated like ants - if a Primordial crushed your village by accident it wouldn't care, if one wanted to kill your baby to add its bones to its work of art it would do it and not give a crap about your suffering, or any other number of terrible things. Even before they were angry, bitter, and broken they treated humanity as disposable prayer batteries and toys. Add a grudge onto that and it's not going to be pretty. At best things go back to the way they were before, which is not great at all.

If the Yozis get out, the vast majority of humanity can at best look forward to a life of slavery to the various First Circle Demons who are stronger than them, because the laws of Cecelyne state quite clearly that the strong rule the weak. The regular weak humans won't stand a chance.
 
Frakir's brother said:
Am I the only one that wants to find out a way to let out the Yozi?
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No. I support the idea myself, but only after a lot of work. I'm very sympathetic to the Yozis, but objectively speaking releasing them as they are is a bad idea. Canon is straightforward about them turning Creation into "an abattoir of vengeful atrocities." If we have even an ounce of compassion for other humans, we won't do it. Perhaps we should see if Rakshata is interested in studying Yozi soul-structures. Altering Third-Circles is the way to turn a Yozi into a mostly sane Primordial again.

Simply banking on the Yozis ignoring people is willful blindness. They won't just hang out in Yu-Shan and play the games all day; they didn't even do that before they were usurped. They'd take breaks to go stomp around Creation. The only responsible way to release the Yozis is after they've been rehabilitated into something that won't murder the face off of everyone who isn't their loyal slave.

It's also possible that the issue won't come up. Jailbreak could take such a long time that it falls out of the purview of the quest, and is only important as far as declaring loyalty.

Enjou said:
Another option would be to repeatedly impose fetich death on them until they are altered into something acceptable, though you risk releasing them by doing this since they may become beings that are no longer bound by their surrender oaths.
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An interesting point here is that this is impossible for Reclamation Yozis. There's a note about SWLiHN proving that any Yozi who's charms are known by an Infernal will reform as themselves, using the Infernal's stored charms as a kind of insurance against Fetich-death.

MoEP: Infernals said:
The Principle of
Hierarchy has definitively calculated that Green Sun Prince
Exaltations would preserve a dead Yozi's Charms intact, warding
that titan from suffering final death as a Neverborn or
suffering net power loss as a result of fetich death so long as
a single Green Sun Prince lives to preserve the seed of her
former self.
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changing my vote to Zeranion's, cause it is awesome.

[X] Lelouch Vi Britannia
-[X] I've picked up several names over the years, though the one I was born with was Lelouch Vi Britannia.
 
Peanuckle said:
An interesting point here is that this is impossible for Reclamation Yozis. There's a note about SWLiHN proving that any Yozi who's charms are known by an Infernal will reform as themselves, using the Infernal's stored charms as a kind of insurance against Fetich-death.
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It says a ward against net power loss. I'm not seeing how that prevents personality changes from killing a Yozi's Fetich soul.
 
Peanuckle said:
An interesting point here is that this is impossible for Reclamation Yozis. There's a note about SWLiHN proving that any Yozi who's charms are known by an Infernal will reform as themselves, using the Infernal's stored charms as a kind of insurance against Fetich-death.
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It doesn't say that Fetich-death wouldn't change them, only that they wouldn't suffer net power loss or become a Neverborn. If Fetich-death occurs but nobody has a particular Charm that the Yozi holds, that Charm may well be lost, and since the Yozis are made of Charms... well, I'd expect changes, even if they are less drastic.

I think an author stated somewhere that if Ligier was killed then the resulting new fetich soul would be a red sun, though I don't have the quote convenient.
 
Enjou said:
It doesn't say that Fetich-death wouldn't change them, only that they wouldn't suffer net power loss or become a Neverborn. If Fetich-death occurs but nobody has a particular Charm that the Yozi holds, that Charm may well be lost, and since the Yozis are made of Charms... well, I'd expect changes, even if they are less drastic.

I think an author stated somewhere that if Ligier was killed then the resulting new fetich soul would be a red sun, though I don't have the quote convenient.
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Sounds like you can use the controlled murder and education of Infernals and 3CDs to reshape one.

Hubris, what's that.
 
Zeranion said:
Lelouch Vi Britannia is the name he was born with and the one that broadcasts his lineage most correctly. Yet it is the name Lelouch rejected, and the one he hates the most.
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I don't think that Lelouch has rejected his name. He's rejected his father and his country, but in canon when Orange-kun asked him why he had turned against his father and his homeland he answered "Because I am Lelouch vi Britannia". At no point in canon when he refers to himself as Lelouch vi Britannia does he ever caveat that in any way. I think that's the name he considers his real name, because he considers the name Lelouch Lamperouge to be a lie, quite possibly an indignity that he had to suffer out of necessity.
 
changing to:
[X] Lelouch Vi Britannia
-[X] I've picked up several names over the years, though the one I was born with was Lelouch Vi Britannia.
 
Peanuckle said:
The point isn't to provide a titanic protector for Creation, it's to render aid to a being that is in incredible pain and suffering.

My Compassion rating may be a little high.
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But also to avoid said being causing even more suffering in its release.


They basically need a private universe, their deformity released and then their memories wiped of their salt
 
[X] Lelouch Vi Britannia



Is there a formal term for Yozi worship? Yozism? Infernic? Old Realm word for 'Submission'?
 
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