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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Artemis1992 said:
Is it Necromancy if you have the divine authority to conscript corpses to work for you for a while?

At least it's not really subject to the laws of magic, though depending on your culture or religion it might count as descecrating the dead.
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At that point, when you're doing your job as a divine-adjacent being, I think it just becomes another form of Bureaucromancy.
 
I have a mechanics question about perfect attacks. Looking around it seems like they're pretty rare for exalts in ExWoD but some types don't really have them, including infernals.

The closest thing I see is this:

sinner-Boiling stare (•••)
Concentrating her ire upon one she feels has
wronged her, the Infernal causes all of the liquids in the target's body to come to a boil.
System: Spend a turn in concentration, spend 1 Essence, and roll Willpower against a difficulty of the target's (Stamina + 2). The target must be within the Exalt's line of sight, and must be someone that the Infernal feels has wronged her in some way, be it grand or petty; even such a minor offense as cutting the Ex- alt off in traffic or leaving her hanging on a high-five is sufficient. The target suffers one level of aggravated damage for each success rolled as they cook from the inside out; mortals are instantly killed outright if even a single success is rolled.
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Is this supposed to be the infernal perfect attack, or am I parsing something wrong?

If it isn't, then is that something we're excluded from or is it just weird coincidence that infernals don't have them?

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To be clear, I'm not trying to bitch about us not getting them if that's the case; I'm just trying to make sure I understand how we should be building.

If the infernals trade away being able to fire off perfect attacks for being ridiculous tanks that's fair, but I haven't really played exalted so I wanted clarification.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
I have a mechanics question about perfect attacks. Looking around it seems like they're pretty rare for exalts in ExWoD but some types don't really have them, including infernals.

The closest thing I see is this:

Is this supposed to be the infernal perfect attack, or am I parsing something wrong?

If it isn't, then is that something we're excluded from or is it just weird coincidence that infernals don't have them?
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Holy crap, if I could blood boil everyone who cut me off in traffic...
 
It might be good for Lydia to get some grounding, she's spent a lot of time recently immersed in mystical shenanigans.

Dealing with her boyfriend's family might help shake off some of the sting.

Admittedly she did just see her boyfriend's sister transform into a demonic knight and cut off the head of a necromancer Valkyrie with a sword wreathed in nuclear hellfire.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I have a mechanics question about perfect attacks. Looking around it seems like they're pretty rare for exalts in ExWoD but some types don't really have them, including infernals.

The closest thing I see is this:



Is this supposed to be the infernal perfect attack, or am I parsing something wrong?

If it isn't, then is that something we're excluded from or is it just weird coincidence that infernals don't have them?
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Yep, this is a perfect attack as far as I can see.
 
It's pretty close, but a Perfect should still work even if you have no successes.

It's just a very good, unblockable attack that desls aggravated damage.

Which is propably no worse in this setting.
 
Artemis1992 said:
It's pretty close, but a Perfect should still work even if you have no successes.

It's just a very good, unblockable attack that desls aggravated damage.

Which is propably no worse in this setting.
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I'd take it as is; the text of the attack charms in ExWoD needs cleaning up in this regard.

It implies weird distinctions that make some of the charms more broken then I think they're supposed to be.

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Also, if line of sight works the same way with this as it does with HMP then SBS has some fun implications.

I don't know why we'd want to boil astronauts in the ISS, but we might be able to try.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
I'd take it as is; the text of the attack charms in ExWoD needs cleaning up in this regard.

It implies weird distinctions that make some of the charms more broken then I think they're supposed to be.

Edit:

Also, if line of sight works the same way with this as it does with HMP then SBS has some fun implications.

I don't know why we'd want to boil astronauts in the ISS, but we might be able to try.
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Only if they insult or oppose us.
 
DragonParadox said:
Lydia's charmset so you guys can have some idea of what she can do long term. Critique and discussion is welcome
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Not sure if this charmset is for Lydia or her dad.

  • Death god/demigod. Automatically seeing and touching ghosts and the intangible should come with the package.No need for a charm.
  • A carriage is part of the Ankou myth. None here, just the ground manipulation thing.
  • There should be a language charm in the charmset for ghosts and spirits who may not be universally intelligible. Or you could fluff it as an effect tacked on to Authority of the Psychopomp or Speaker to Crow and Hound.
  • Also, a charm for calling lost and confused ghosts and laying them to rest is mandatory; we saw him Arawn exorcise the submarine.
  • Ghost Warding Glyph should have an effect for protecting locations as well. One thats significantly more powerful than the one on living people. He has to have warded his estate against hostile spectres somehow, and while he could have used Sorcery Path, its in theme for his powers.

DragonParadox said:
Hunter's Bolt (••)
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Aggravated against everything seems overpowered.
I would make it aggravated against undead, undead-aligned spirits and necromancers, but lethal against everyone else.

DragonParadox said:
Spirit-Maiming Essence Attack (••)
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Overpowered.
By its mechanics, even if the target soaks the damage totally, it still burns a portion of any supernatural's mojo pool.
Thats an effect that should be limited to ghosts and undead. Maybe necromancers as well.

And it should probably work automatically against targets weaker than the Charm user, but more powerful ghosts/undead/necromancers/vampires get a roll to resist .

DragonParadox said:
Rest-Granting Strike (••)
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This should work on undead, not any immortal.

DragonParadox said:
Warding of Divine Ancestry (•••••)
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Divine Ancestry Empowerment? Divine Ancestry Reinforcement? Divine Aegis? Aegis of Divinity?

DragonParadox said:
Hunter's Final Throw (••••)
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This should apply to ranged attacks, not just thrown attacks.

DragonParadox said:
Open the Way (••)
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Open or close a way.
For when magic, especially deathmagic, is used to open or prop open a portal across the Gauntlet.
 
the DragonBard said:
Why would Molly ever use that?
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I quote:

Freedom Lets Go
Whenever the character is afflicted with a curse, transformation, mental effect, or other unwanted mystical burden(such as a vampire's use of Dominate or Vicissitude, or a Thaumaturgic curse), she may attach the effect to one of her Intimacies, pay 1 Essence, and shed herself of both the effect and the Intimacy. The character can still assign a new Intimacy at the end of the current story, but cannot restore an Intimacy sacrificed to this charm.

Simmering Sinner Resentment
The Infernal gains a 4th Intimacy which is always "I hate (Individual)". The Infernal may change the focus of this Intimacy at the end of each story if she wishes. The Infernal may also pay 1 Willpower to select a new subject at any point if the Intimacy's current target has been slain. All attacks the Infernal makes against the target of this Intimacy are at -1 difficulty and inflict aggravated damage. Should she slay her nemesis, their soul is immediately consigned to the Hell of Boiling Oil. Condemning a supernatural being in this fashion rolls back the number of times the Infernal is considered to have attempted to don their Shintai form during the current story by 1, reducing its cost or difficulty accordingly to a minimum of Essence 2 Willpower 2 and no roll requirement, as long as that being isnt a creature of darkness.

To spell it out?
Buy Simmering Sinner Resentment. Pick one of the Fallen as a target; there's around 20 of them active at a time, I think.
Then buy Freedom Lets go.

Get nailed by a death curse, or hostile transformation, or something similar?
You attach it to the SSR Intimacy, and shed them both. Then pick another Denarian. When you work through them, start working down members of the Red and Black Court.

The combination, at 8XP for 2x unfavored Charms, is much cheaper than the 20XP for Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy, our ultimate shaping defense.
 
uju32 said:
I quote:

Freedom Lets Go
Whenever the character is afflicted with a curse, transformation, mental effect, or other unwanted mystical burden(such as a vampire's use of Dominate or Vicissitude, or a Thaumaturgic curse), she may attach the effect to one of her Intimacies, pay 1 Essence, and shed herself of both the effect and the Intimacy. The character can still assign a new Intimacy at the end of the current story, but cannot restore an Intimacy sacrificed to this charm.

Simmering Sinner Resentment
The Infernal gains a 4th Intimacy which is always "I hate (Individual)". The Infernal may change the focus of this Intimacy at the end of each story if she wishes. The Infernal may also pay 1 Willpower to select a new subject at any point if the Intimacy's current target has been slain. All attacks the Infernal makes against the target of this Intimacy are at -1 difficulty and inflict aggravated damage. Should she slay her nemesis, their soul is immediately consigned to the Hell of Boiling Oil. Condemning a supernatural being in this fashion rolls back the number of times the Infernal is considered to have attempted to don their Shintai form during the current story by 1, reducing its cost or difficulty accordingly to a minimum of Essence 2 Willpower 2 and no roll requirement, as long as that being isnt a creature of darkness.

To spell it out?
Buy Simmering Sinner Resentment. Pick one of the Fallen as a target; there's around 20 of them active at a time, I think.
Then buy Freedom Lets go.

Get nailed by a death curse, or hostile transformation, or something similar?
You attach it to the SSR Intimacy, and shed them both. Then pick another Denarian. When you work through them, start working down members of the Red and Black Court.

The combination, at 8XP for 2x unfavored Charms, is much cheaper than the 20XP for Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy, our ultimate shaping defense.
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If you get rid of your artificial intimacy with Freedom Lets Go then you can only select another when the time would have come to shift the focus, so at the end of the current arc, that strategy would therefore give you one instance of shaping defense per arc. so not as good as the full 5 dot Shaping Defense.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I'd take it as is; the text of the attack charms in ExWoD needs cleaning up in this regard.
It implies weird distinctions that make some of the charms more broken then I think they're supposed to be.

Edit:
Also, if line of sight works the same way with this as it does with HMP then SBS has some fun implications.
I don't know why we'd want to boil astronauts in the ISS, but we might be able to try.
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If line of sight works the way it does with HMP then the telephone becomes the ultimate murder weapon.
Every telemarketer who calls your phone is courting death!
:V

More seriously, it means you can sit down and murder a lot of people in line of sight
Or just start a fight by crippling an enemy by putting Agg in their health track.
Artemis1992 said:
That part was propably indeed constant for Arawn, but for Lydia it's part of her Anima-power, whenever she glows.

It's just not here under Charms.
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Fair enough.

DragonParadox said:
If you get rid of your artificial intimacy with Freedom Lets Go then you can only select another when the time would have come to shift the focus, so at the end of the current arc, that strategy would therefore give you one instance of shaping defense per arc. so not as good as the full 5 dot Shaping Defense.
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Certainly not as good, but one fiat-backed get out of jail free card per story arc is worth 8XP, I suspect.
The alternative is Sorcery Countermagic, which is 12XP for all 4 subspecialties.
More expansive because you can use it on other people, but more expensive.
 
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