Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Argue that Lydia should stay at your place, awkwardness and all
 
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She blushes, all the more obvious against her pale cheeks. "I don't want to impose..."
You rolls your eyes. "You're not imposing, we have a guest bed."
Sneaking a peek at Daniel she explains: "It would be really awkward."
Only a teenager would prioritize awkwardness as a greater threat than the potential of actual physical and magical danger.
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[X] Argue that Lydia should stay at your place, awkwardness and all

We didnt go to all the trouble of winkling her out of Corpsetaker's hands to risk avoidable threat.
And frankly, its probably not healthy to leave her at home on her own to brood about her father being gone over the weekend and her unintentional part in it, even if she can hear him over the magic phone.

She needs a transition, and time to recharge her magical resources.
 
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Only a teenager would prioritize awkwardness as a greater threat than the potential of actual physical and magical danger.
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[X] Argue that Lydia should stay at your place, awkwardness and all

We didnt go to all the trouble of winkling her out of Corpsetaker's hands to risk avoidable threat.
And frankly, its probably not healthy to leave her at home on her own to brood about her father being gone over the weekend and her unintentional part in it, even if she can hear him over the magic phone.

She needs a transition, and time to recharge her magical resources.

Being fair she is an Exalted if not among the strongest. Prioritizing her mental well being over the potential of physical danger is not the worst idea. Her measure for what might be troublesome in that regard may or may not be well calibrated, but at the very least her father is fine with letting her go home as a way to make her own way.
 
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  • Death god/demigod. Automatically seeing and touching ghosts and the intangible should come with the package.No need for a charm.
  • A carriage is part of the Ankou myth. None here, just the ground manipulation thing.
  • There should be a language charm in the charmset for ghosts and spirits who may not be universally intelligible. Or you could fluff it as an effect tacked on to Authority of the Psychopomp or Speaker to Crow and Hound.
  • Also, a charm for calling lost and confused ghosts and laying them to rest is mandatory; we saw him Arawn exorcise the submarine.
  • Ghost Warding Glyph should have an effect for protecting locations as well. One thats significantly more powerful than the one on living people. He has to have warded his estate against hostile spectres somehow, and while he could have used Sorcery Path, its in theme for his powers.
Okay, I'll adapt.

Seeing/making tangible of ghosts is already included in the Anima-Power.

The carriage would be nice, but DP already had her riding on the earthwave before I even got started on this Charmset, so I went with what was already there.
Between that Charm and her ability to enhance horses I think another charm for a carriage would be unecessary?

Language will be added to Authority of the Psychopomp, makes sense.

How would you write a Charm about calling lost ghosts toward you? The "laying to rest" part is already covered with her rest-granting strike I'd say.

I am not sure how much warding your home should be placed under Charms and how much is just enhancing your threshold with little tricks one picks up, like his herbs on the windows and such.
I think that counts more under the magic everyone can do, or what Exalted called Thaumaturgy, rather than a single dedicated Charm.

Aggravated against everything seems overpowered.
I would make it aggravated against undead, undead-aligned spirits and necromancers, but lethal against everyone else.
It's already weakened from the Abyssal version, that can deal aggravated damage for the whole scene.
I don't think Essence rounds of aggravated damage is too far out there?

Overpowered.
By its mechanics, even if the target soaks the damage totally, it still burns a portion of any supernatural's mojo pool.
Thats an effect that should be limited to ghosts and undead. Maybe necromancers as well.

And it should probably work automatically against targets weaker than the Charm user, but more powerful ghosts/undead/necromancers/vampires get a roll to resist .
Okay. Though I'd leave it at weaker or equal, since she is supposed to have a primacy over her main-targets.

This should apply to ranged attacks, not just thrown attacks.
It's intentionally very limited.
That she gets a perfect attack at all is something I was wavering about.
She has that one throw of the spear (or dagger, or shield, or Molotov-Cocktail) and that is what she gets.

Open or close a way.
For when magic, especially deathmagic, is used to open or prop open a portal across the Gauntlet.
Yep.
That definitly belongs in there.
 
[X] Argue that Lydia should stay at your place, awkwardness and all

I mean, Daniel stayed at her place right?
 
So, am I the only one thinking that our next circle mate might be Mouse? We already empowered him with his own text to speech device (which we'll need to upgrade to allow flawless communication without the need to use his paws to type, possibly some sort of neural interface), he synergies well with Lydia, and he's much closer to our age group than Harry if we count his age in dog years.
 
So, am I the only one thinking that our next circle mate might be Mouse? We already empowered him with his own text to speech device (which we'll need to upgrade to allow flawless communication without the need to use his paws to type, possibly some sort of neural interface), he synergies well with Lydia, and he's much closer to our age group than Harry if we count his age in dog years.
Let's be honest.

He would also be the responsible one in that party.
 
So, am I the only one thinking that our next circle mate might be Mouse? We already empowered him with his own text to speech device (which we'll need to upgrade to allow flawless communication without the need to use his paws to type, possibly some sort of neural interface), he synergies well with Lydia, and he's much closer to our age group than Harry if we count his age in dog years.
I refuse to believe that Mouse ages in anything close to dog years. He ages in wizard years, if at all, as far as I'm concerned.

He's going to be around to look after Harry for centuries to come.
 
okay since the link isn't working, I'm just going to explain what I was trying to do with the Lydia art: I was going to make a Dagoth Ur joke but with Lydia's picture. If you're unfamiliar, Dagoth Ur is an Elder Scrolls villain who says "I'm a god, how can you kill a god? What grand and intoxicating innocence!" Since Lydia is a demigod...

But Imgur doesn't seem to work with linking images here anymore, at least for me.
 
I refuse to believe that Mouse ages in anything close to dog years. He ages in wizard years, if at all, as far as I'm concerned.

He's going to be around to look after Harry for centuries to come.
I meant mental maturity and such. He was a puppy relatively recently. Unless he is a reincarnation of something older, or is using ancestral memories or something like that, he should not have much life experiences, even if he has a lot of wisdom.
 
OK, let's see how Lydia takes this. She is still exalted so no is a definite possibility if she thinks avoiding embarrassment is worth the potential of physical danger.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 21, 2022 at 2:57 PM, finished with 65 posts and 22 votes.
 
OK, let's see how Lydia takes this. She is still exalted so no is a definite possibility if she thinks avoiding embarrassment is worth the potential of physical danger.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 21, 2022 at 2:57 PM, finished with 65 posts and 22 votes.
Honestly read exalted as teenager and went that sounds about right.
 
Tell her to keep in mind her wards are probably non existent, her threshold even less existent since she was the only mortal in said house and have not lived there that long, and she still needs to sleep and has enemies.
 
Being fair she is an Exalted if not among the strongest. Prioritizing her mental well being over the potential of physical danger is not the worst idea. Her measure for what might be troublesome in that regard may or may not be well calibrated, but at the very least her father is fine with letting her go home as a way to make her own way.
I dont really trust Arawn's judgement of whats healthy for the mental state of a teenage demigod with human ancestry.
Not out of malice, mind, because he seems to love her, but out of sheer inexperience with raising children.
The man left a teenager with no explanations while doing his thing, and an entire library of occult tomes available.

I certainly dont trust Lydia's judgement either. Teenagers will do dumb shit to avoid perceived social embarassment.

And I certainly think Arawn and Lydia both are underestimating the potential for trouble from whatever forces or contingencies Kattrin may still have around in Chicago.
Especially since, as far as we can tell, EvilBob DID get away.

Even an anonymous tip to the police that the people who perpetrated the museum massacre are at her home...well, we've seen them weaponize the cops already.

Okay, I'll adapt.

Seeing/making tangible of ghosts is already included in the Anima-Power.

The carriage would be nice, but DP already had her riding on the earthwave before I even got started on this Charmset, so I went with what was already there.
Between that Charm and her ability to enhance horses I think another charm for a carriage would be unecessary?

Language will be added to Authority of the Psychopomp, makes sense.

How would you write a Charm about calling lost ghosts toward you? The "laying to rest" part is already covered with her rest-granting strike I'd say.

I am not sure how much warding your home should be placed under Charms and how much is just enhancing your threshold with little tricks one picks up, like his herbs on the windows and such.
I think that counts more under the magic everyone can do, or what Exalted called Thaumaturgy, rather than a single dedicated Charm.


It's already weakened from the Abyssal version, that can deal aggravated damage for the whole scene.
I don't think Essence rounds of aggravated damage is too far out there?


Okay. Though I'd leave it at weaker or equal, since she is supposed to have a primacy over her main-targets.


It's intentionally very limited.
That she gets a perfect attack at all is something I was wavering about.
She has that one throw of the spear (or dagger, or shield, or Molotov-Cocktail) and that is what she gets.


Yep.
That definitly belongs in there.
Horse.Car. Motorbike.Bicycle. If she has one, she has to tag it beforehand, but she can call and it will respond to her call.
The major advantage being that she doesnt need to spend Essence for it.
Unlike the stone carpet thing.

My thought would be a Charisma + Empathy roll, done as either an instant or extended roll, which can be done with a basic success starting around the size of a room, scaling up to maximum range of a city at 5 or 6 successes or so. Unwilling ghosts would get a Willpower(possibly Intimacy/Fetter-boosted) roll against the summoners Arete/Essence to resist the call, or to attack the summoner.

Thaumaturgy is stuff that in Ex2 you need training for. Ditto in WoD, Sorcerers need training to set up wards.
Here, we are talking about a charm-equivalent, something Lydia can develop spontaneously to shield her home from hostile spectres. Or possibly to attract friendly ones. That seems entirely within her themes.

Im not too familiar with WoD, but in Ex2 Aggravated Damage is a very big deal.
If its easier to do it here, then sure.
Just sharing my two cents.
So, am I the only one thinking that our next circle mate might be Mouse? We already empowered him with his own text to speech device (which we'll need to upgrade to allow flawless communication without the need to use his paws to type, possibly some sort of neural interface), he synergies well with Lydia, and he's much closer to our age group than Harry if we count his age in dog years.
Temple Dog. They guard thresholds, they dont generally adventure.

He already has a fulltime job taking care of Dresden and guarding his homebase.
And probably Maggie, eventually; she's been born by now.
I dont think he's in the market for another job, and I dont think we get to poach other people's supporting characters.

If we run into either of his missing siblings(the eldest male and eldest female werent rescued), I'm entirely willing to put in the effort to grab them. But absent that, I think we should just wait until we buy our Hell or take a trip through the NeverNever and acquire a Familiar 5.
I refuse to believe that Mouse ages in anything close to dog years. He ages in wizard years, if at all, as far as I'm concerned.
He's going to be around to look after Harry for centuries to come.
He's a Tibetan Temple Dog.
A scion, descendant of a mortal canine and a Foo Dog, a Celestial spirit. And in him the blood is very strong.
Remember how Usum told Molly to greet him? He's as much of a demigod as Lydia is, his portfolio is just smaller.

You can assume his lifespan is unlikely to look anything like that of a mortal dog.
 
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Did a quick check so I changed my opinion.
It's already weakened from the Abyssal version, that can deal aggravated damage for the whole scene.
I don't think Essence rounds of aggravated damage is too far out there?
PS
V20 pg 285 says that mortals treat aggravated damage as lethal damage anyway. So it doesnt matter to them.

However, other supernaturals? I think I would treat it as Lethal.
Because unless you are simulating one of their banes, it shouldnt be doing Agg quite so easily.
At least not in the Dresdenverse.

And its not like there are many people who can shrug off Lethal damage in Dresden Files.
Its plenty deadly as it is, to Reds and Whites and Fae and ghouls.
Even Blampires will die if beheaded.
 
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